Vegas,Pheonix,Bakersfield,up North also.just has to be made into a weekend deal not a one dayer for some is all.


The high number trap speeds were all done right after lunch.The entire track was vht'd at lunch time,I was the first car to run after they vht'd.thats when I ran the high trap.My other best traps were done between 4:30-5:00pm,right at closing when the air was getting better(cooler/denser) and the track was holding some heat.The high K2 traps were also done late in the afternoon.If Jay55 could have made another pass that evening he would have been in the high 12.8? maybe(drag radial car)

 

different conditions, different track, different elevation, weather, wind..

With all do respect, but you need to look at the whole picture of the number of cars running on that day, not just magazine "CORRECTED" numbers.

Once somebody corrects the numbers.. then feel free to compare

 

i vote phoenix!

 

you P car would of run high 13's for sure...

I was there...

K2 ran mid 12's all day long..

PLEASE EVERYBODY: DON'T COMPARE MAG CORRECTED TIMES TO THIS ONE DAY. JUST LOOK AT THE CARS THAT RAN ON THAT DAY ALONE AND MAKE COMPARISONS.

 

i'm in houston...any 63 owners here live in the houston area? track rental at HRP is very reasonable. HRP is always prepped good and at sea level...the only variable is weather.

i would enjoy meeting up with other board members with 55's and 63's for a track rental if anybody is up for it?

john

 

and M5/6 was not able to break into 12's that should tell you how bad the track was. (M6 did it a few times out of many)

it was not weather.

The track very slippery. I was witness the M5 and M6 spin tires up to 4th gear and same for the e55k cars.

 

you are right on my friend..

I can't even finish this 1st page without responding to the crazy postings.

My GOD!

Its like comparing Barry Bonds to Hank or the Babe... (juice or no juice.. ya da ya da..)

 

Well, its worth nothing that

a) Dragon's 119 times didn't come until very late in the day with drag radials on... before that they were 115-116 as well. He was very smart to cool his car and then go at it, cool it with fans, then go at it.

b) JRocket knows how to launch / drag as well as anyone at the track, at worst. He'd be able to jump into some of the other cars and improve their times as well... earlier he was dead on the 109s as well. In fact, all of his best runs... and Dragons... came between 4 and 5pm when we had all but wrapped it up and it began to cool.



Loren

 

How can you state the following? - the E63 is an improvement over the E55 and has better brakes, acceleration, handling, interior, exterior, build quality, comfort etc etc,??? Just for your edification, the E55 has great brakes, Equal or better acceleration, interior equal to the E63, the E55 Exterior is equal to the E63, Build quality is the same as the E63, Comfort (is this a smooth & linear crowd thing?)?? You have nothing to base this rationalization! I feel the E63 is a great car but this ranting of the superiority of the E63 borders on hallucinations period!! Accept the fact that the E63 is very little improved over the E55 and really directed at the "Smooth & Linear crowd". Also note that after ordering an E63 18 months ago and after the test drive I felt it was very little improved over my 2003 W211 E55 and decided to get another E55 as a statement after 3 years of driving the E55 and seeing very little advantage in the E63. Just my opinion, you are entitled to yours but back it up with facts and experience not unfounded bias or sales hype from MBZ to move the newest and latest! Peace to you if you want it if not then I'm ok with that too and will respond!

 

Here is a video of the M5 running. You'll hear the car squealing all the way through 1st gear and all of 2nd. The M5 supposedly has less torque than the 55k's and is equipped with an LSD. It ran 13.2@112 on that pass (late afternoon pass). This should give you an idea of what the track was like.

Right click, save target as http://iiilgsrlll.com/video/fontana_09152006/m5_1.wmv

 

That was Jay55's second pass ever drivng the M5 correct?

 

I believe so. I do know that he was driving in that video clip though. I edited out my reminder.

Was that the best pass of the day for the M5?

EDIT: NM. It was.

 

[quote=Jay55 was stock but on Drag radials.Not trying to down play or be rude here,cause I met Jay and think he's a cool dude,but with better driving technique he could have been in the 12.8? or so.[/quote]


OWNED!!!

 

Ahhh c'mon Jangy,dont bust my chops on that one. I talked to Jay quite a bit that day and he can drive well.He knows what I was referring too,it was just a matter of launch technique is all.Out of all the cars jays hooked the best on drag radials.

You should have been there Jangy...I know,ya ya ya.

 

Laugh all you want man, bring your car to qualcomm this coming friday then we'll see who owned who.

 

Phones ringing Jangy,think it might be for you!

 

speaking of launch techniques...what seems to be the best? dyno mode, esp off, esp on, manual or sport mode, which suspension setting, load the tc???

give me the scoop for street tires and dr's.

 

 

OK here is what I am basing my comments on.
Handling (or cornering)+accleration+braking = speed on a road coarse. For just 1/4 mile you don't need anything but power and traction. AMG has stated that the E63 is 3-4 seconds faster than the 55 on a road coase, therefore its overall ability in all catagories is better then the 55 (even though the 55's straight line acceleration is a bit faster).
Now don't tell me that AMG is lying about the road results because all the 55er's on this forum jumped on that thread (where AMG's comments about the 55 being a bit faster then the 63) and said "there it is proof that the 55 is faster". You can't use what he said about the 55 being faster against the 63 and then discount what he said about the 63 on a road course.
As far as interior and exterior, that is a matter of taste. I happen to like my 63, and it has some features (paddle shifters, max cool to name 2) that seem like an improvement.
PT

 

380 RWHP...

That is for the blind.

That is what the E63 makes.

Remove the issue of bad drivers, bad track and all the other excuses.

Would a mathemetician or engineer correctly and honestly explain how 380 RWHP equates to 507 HP in the E63.

That is what I paid for, that is what I want.

You really shouldn't bring the m5/m6 into it either as the car reportedly makes about 500 HP and about 100 lbs. less torque and runs similar or better numbers!

 

Ok,so what are you going to do with your 63 then?

 

After looking through Mad's pics - am I crazy, or was that E55 sitting on its rotors? Whats up with that??

 

Drive it until I find something else I'm interested in...why? I'll sell it to you for $95K with less than 400 miles on it.

 

It doesn't because it's making a lot less. In my estimation about 30 to 40 less.

 

Just curious if your were going to pursue some action with MB over the HP ratings or not is all.I already had a 63 on order that I turned down once I found the right equiped 55 for sale.The 55 is a no brainer for me due to it being Super Charged,that was my main buying decision.