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Old 09-24-2006, 12:46 PM
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C43/55,2k11 Volvo S60 T6AWD,2k Audi B5 S4,95 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD 500+awhp
New Shelby GT500 ve E55 should be interesting

Wow this car has 500bhp from it's supercharged 5.4L 32v motor! i'm wondering how these will compete aginst the f/I E55'S. Should be interesting!

http://www.svt.ford.com// 12.26 @ 117mph Stck

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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Wow this car has 500bhp from it's supercharged 5.4L 32v motor! i'm wondering how these will compete aginst the f/I E55'S. Should be interesting!

http://www.svt.ford.com// 12.26 @ 117mph Stck
Curious where you got that time? The data I've seen shows the GT500 does not run a 12.26 @ 117 mph? C&D ran the tar out of that car (the one mag that gets good/realistic times with a good driver IMO) & got a 12.9 sec 1/4 @ 112 mph. Its slower than an E55. (a mid twelve sec car).

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...lby-gt500.html

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From Mustangs and Fast Ford's magazine:


While we realize that the magazines with the word "Mustang" in their titles are among Ford's biggest fans, they're also often our toughest critics. That said, we couldn’t wait until the hotshoes over at Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords got their chance to go play with a GT500 at the dragstrip. Not surprisingly, they finessed some eye-opening performance numbers out of the new Shelby: How about a 12.26-second quarter-mile pass with a blazing 117.8-mph trap speed? Although their August 2006 review tried to capture the staff's feelings by saying simply, "It's remarkable how much brute power this automobile has," the MM&FF editors clearly let their numbers do their talking.

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The first 1/4 I ran EVER in my life I managed to do it in 12.5 @ 113. With more experience I know I can do much better. No contest between E55 & GT500.

Here's a "slow" 1/4 mile run I did.
http://www.blownstangs.com/events/gv...-e55-12.59.wmv

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The first 1/4 I ran EVER in my life I managed to do it in 12.5 @ 113. With more experience I know I can do much better. No contest between E55 & GT500.

Here's a "slow" 1/4 mile run I did.
http://www.blownstangs.com/events/gv...-e55-12.59.wmv
How much better? And why do you say no contest? The car did post a 1/4 mile of 117.89mph as well.Yours,112.78. Unless I'm misunderstanding you somewhere.

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GT500 does 0-62 in 4.9 and E55 in 4.7....E55 would eat that FORD for brekfast
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GT500 does 0-62 in 4.9 and E55 in 4.7....E55 would eat that FORD for brekfast
Like it does with the new M5!
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
How much better? And why do you say no contest? The car did post a 1/4 mile of 117.89mph as well.Yours,112.78. Unless I'm misunderstanding you somewhere.

I wasn't trying to argue, just saying that I have absolutely NO experience hustling a car down a track and I can do 12.5 consistently (with 200 lbs of stereo in the trunk and a full gas tank). The magazine/factory drivers have been doing 1/4 mile runs for years and they probably killed themselves to get the numbers you are referring to. Other E55 members here run low 12's all day without even trying.
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automobile magazine's 500 could only manage a 13.01 but it was a 115mph pass. I would suspect those cars are an even match against ours and the outcome is purely dependant on the driver.
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I would suspect those cars are an even match against ours and the outcome is purely dependant on the driver.
With that I can agree!
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A poor to average E55 driver who leaves on ESP will beat an average Shelby GT500 driver, IMO
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Originally Posted by WayneE
A poor to average E55 driver who leaves on ESP will beat an average Shelby GT500 driver, IMO
One should never let personal bias have them fall asleep!: Look:


http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21 12.257@117mph stck


http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21
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The 117 mph trap speed indicates that with traction, that nose-heavy Shelby should be a very good race.
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
One should never let personal bias have them fall asleep!:

Speaking from personal experience...

manual tranny, high hp/torque and street tires = tricky to launch consistently

automagic, high hp/torque and street tires = much easier

I think the Shelby is a turd and Ford should be ashamed for producing a modern muscle car that weighs 2 tons, but that's another issue entirely

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Originally Posted by WayneE
Speaking from personal experience...

manual tranny, high hp/torque and street tires = tricky to launch consistently

automagic, high hp/torque and street tires = much easier

I think the Shelby is a turd and Ford should be ashamed for producing a modern muscle car that weighs 2 tons, but that's another issue entirely

Again excellent explanation on your part! Def does not always hold tru!Especially when the manual Car uses DR's.
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Originally Posted by WayneE
Speaking from personal experience...

manual tranny, high hp/torque and street tires = tricky to launch consistently

automagic, high hp/torque and street tires = much easier

I think the Shelby is a turd and Ford should be ashamed for producing a modern muscle car that weighs 2 tons, but that's another issue entirely

Exactly - well said. The E55 is a consistent low 12 sec car (some guys getting very high elevens). A stock Shelby is not going to get that time - not even with John Force at the helm on stock rubber. The E is 2X the cost, but its worth every penny. I looked at a Shelby 500 - a serious lack of quality in that car - nothing has changed for Ford. What a shame.

Its interesting to me that the US domestic car builders have basicly left the high end car market to the Europeans (and now even to Lexus). The domestic produces have problems (pension plans, labor unions/too high of pay, etc) which holds them back from a profitability persective, but they have nobody to blame but themselves for not making a domestic high end car line to compete with MB, BMW, Lexus, etc. We have the highest std of living on the planet & a huge "high end target market", yet they continue to let the Europeans eat their lunch. Not real smart IMO. I digress. Sorry for the hijack.

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The 117 mph trap speed indicates that with traction, that nose-heavy Shelby should be a very good race.
That's what I was thinking too. Look at Coolcarski's drag page link, the Ford has poor 60' time and good MPH. This is indicative of a car which needs more tire, better suspension or both to hook-up off the line. The best I ever got out of my 428 Ford w/4sp was when I launched too low and bogged the motor - went 13.6@107 over 25 years ago. Usually it was part throttle in first gear or the tires would break loose on the concrete and it was 13.7s & 13.8s.

From a freeway - aka rolling - start the Shelby may well take honors.
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From a freeway - aka rolling - start the Shelby may well take honors.
Yep just like the M5!
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Exactly - well said. The E55 is a consistent low 12 sec car (some guys getting very high elevens). A stock Shelby is not going to get that time - not even with John Force at the helm on stock rubber.


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seems like a few Stck Shelby's have hit 12's here if u ask me!
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A poor to average E55 driver who leaves on ESP will beat an average Shelby GT500 driver, IMO
shifting may not favor most 500 drivers but don't forget it also has a traction control button so I still think it's a pretty even race.
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First you gotta find a GT500 owner who is willing to use it!

I was trying to get one, but all these car collectors were giving into the huge dealer mark ups, and I would bet that half of them are never going to put more than 1000 miles on that beast.

That said, I did see one on the road, but couldn't follow it. It did sound mighty mean though as it passed me.
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My friends dad got a GT500 about two weeks ago. The thing is fast as hell but when my dad lined his CLS up with it the cls won by at least one or two car lengths up to 125. Once ths CLS is Kleemanized it will blow that american muscle off the road!
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And I bet it'll be a real monster when modded! But damn 3900lbs is alot of weight.Even though the M5 is heavier.
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I think that with mods the CLS will be lighter than when it was stock
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So really it was my dad that won the race and not the car? For gods sake its a bloody automatic


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