Tested E63 & M5, Run with E63 vs E55
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No longer stock '06 E55, A3 3.2 Quattro, GLE 400d, R107 280SL, Golf Polo
Maybe its your tyres getting sticky !!!! 
When I test drove an '05 - its S/C shutdown. I did not know it at the time but I tried to kickdown and accel hard from about 70mph on highway (soon after some spiritied accel runs from slow roll) and there was just nothing ... 5 mins later - all was fine.
I thot at time it was bad fuel or something like that. Especially 'cos it only happened once, and was back to "normal" quite quickly. Was quite a warm day but not sweltering.
Not ideal. Touch wood my '06 has not had this choke yet. Think I may toy with pulley etc in a while if I decide to keep this car till it dies; or trade it in 08/09 for the w212 - then I need to stay mod free.
Now about those E63 mufflers VRUS ????
When I test drove an '05 - its S/C shutdown. I did not know it at the time but I tried to kickdown and accel hard from about 70mph on highway (soon after some spiritied accel runs from slow roll) and there was just nothing ... 5 mins later - all was fine.
I thot at time it was bad fuel or something like that. Especially 'cos it only happened once, and was back to "normal" quite quickly. Was quite a warm day but not sweltering.
Not ideal. Touch wood my '06 has not had this choke yet. Think I may toy with pulley etc in a while if I decide to keep this car till it dies; or trade it in 08/09 for the w212 - then I need to stay mod free.
Now about those E63 mufflers VRUS ????
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E55 2004
Haven't been able to get the m5, i'm supposed to get the use of it for a day.
The car has 200km on it, and i insisted that they have to give me the with max power in order for me to make a choice to buy. I was told that the car has to do 2500km before they can change the ecu and change gearbox oil. They agreed to sort it out and give the to me tomorrow. Videos coming soon.
The car has 200km on it, and i insisted that they have to give me the with max power in order for me to make a choice to buy. I was told that the car has to do 2500km before they can change the ecu and change gearbox oil. They agreed to sort it out and give the to me tomorrow. Videos coming soon.
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these are the specs of a e63
No. of cylinders/arrangement 8/V, 4 valves per cylinder
Swept volume cc 6 208
Bore x stroke mm 102,2 x 94,6
Rated output kW 378 at 6 800 r/min
Rated torque Nm 630 at 5 200 r/min
Compression ratio 11.3 : 1
Mixture formation . Microprocessor-controlled petrol injection, hot-film air-mass sensor
No. of cylinders/arrangement 8/V, 4 valves per cylinder
Swept volume cc 6 208
Bore x stroke mm 102,2 x 94,6
Rated output kW 378 at 6 800 r/min
Rated torque Nm 630 at 5 200 r/min
Compression ratio 11.3 : 1
Mixture formation . Microprocessor-controlled petrol injection, hot-film air-mass sensor
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Just depends on what you want. I traded my M5 today for an E63 because in my opinion the E63 is a MUCH better all around car. Drive 10/10s everywhere you go? Yeah the M5 is a better driver's car. It just feels sportier. But what about the other 98% of the time? Going out for a night on the town with your significant other and another couple? E63 is a hands down better car. The M5 is raw, all the time. Even in "comfort" mode the suspension is stiff, the rear end clunks all the time, the shifting is never smooth, etc. Then you have to worry about SMG problems all the time. In the 7k miles I drove my M5, I was stranded no less than 5 times which is a serious inconvenience and unacceptable for a brand new 90k car. Finally they replaced the transmission because they didn't know what else to do. Funny thing is, 1k miles later it started to exhibit the same symptoms and I knew it was only a matter of time. I could go on and on. At 7k miles the car also started developing various rattles - more than the 30k mile S55 I traded in for it. Yeah maybe I got a bad one, but there shouldn't be a "bad one" when you buy a 90k car and I don't have time to mess with that crap. It's too bad for BMW too because the M5 was one of the most fun cars I've ever owned, but I will *never* buy a new BMW again. I'll put up with that kind of stuff from a real sports car, but not a daily driver 4 door luxury sedan.
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Just depends on what you want. I traded my M5 today for an E63 because in my opinion the E63 is a MUCH better all around car. Drive 10/10s everywhere you go? Yeah the M5 is a better driver's car. It just feels sportier. But what about the other 98% of the time? Going out for a night on the town with your significant other and another couple? E63 is a hands down better car. The M5 is raw, all the time. Even in "comfort" mode the suspension is stiff, the rear end clunks all the time, the shifting is never smooth, etc. Then you have to worry about SMG problems all the time. In the 7k miles I drove my M5, I was stranded no less than 5 times which is a serious inconvenience and unacceptable for a brand new 90k car. Finally they replaced the transmission because they didn't know what else to do. Funny thing is, 1k miles later it started to exhibit the same symptoms and I knew it was only a matter of time. I could go on and on. At 7k miles the car also started developing various rattles - more than the 30k mile S55 I traded in for it. Yeah maybe I got a bad one, but there shouldn't be a "bad one" when you buy a 90k car and I don't have time to mess with that crap. It's too bad for BMW too because the M5 was one of the most fun cars I've ever owned, but I will *never* buy a new BMW again. I'll put up with that kind of stuff from a real sports car, but not a daily driver 4 door luxury sedan.
I love the M5. I'm beginning to really like the car. Top end power, handlling, braking, weight distribution.
But the problems you experienced really makes me think twice abou it. I usually vist the M5board every other day and I'm keeping a close eye on all the issues, as a potential future owner.
Plus the lack of usable torque in city driving, would drive me nuts.
From the oil consumption, to the jerkiness of the SMG in comfort mode, to the stiff suspension and all the electrical problems, it really is a work of art in progress.
The E63 has a proven chassis (a bit outdated) the interior is on par with the M5 and the exterior is a bit more luxo. The M5 looks mean and sporty, but not as classy.
Both are fine vehicles, but I'm going to weight 18 months and see if the M5 has fixed all their bugs and see if the CLS63 or E63 has a bit more tuning potential and then decide on one of the two.
