Fender rolling and rim fitment dilemma!
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Fender rolling and rim fitment dilemma!
OK so I knew my wheels were a tight fit (285/30 on 19/9.5's) 31 offset so I figured I could make a plan.
So I dashed (read 1.5 hours each way) to see a shop who really seemed very professional etc - but only to tell me fenders are already rolled allot ex factory and cannot be rolled further without possibly incurring some rear panel damage.
Bottom line is my only option left is to have the 31 offset rims machined to 36's or just accept the rubbing and wait till the rubber runs down to change the tyres out for 275's... which I hope will fit and allow some lowering...
Also the rubbing seems much less in Sport 2 than Comfort as it seems in S2 the travel allowed at the wheel is less, even though the ride height seems the same.
The question I have is will 275 fit or will I have to go back to 265's.
In terms of grip the 285 are better but marginally so ... and its diff to say if its due to the extra rubbber or coz they are Bstone's....
So I dashed (read 1.5 hours each way) to see a shop who really seemed very professional etc - but only to tell me fenders are already rolled allot ex factory and cannot be rolled further without possibly incurring some rear panel damage.
Bottom line is my only option left is to have the 31 offset rims machined to 36's or just accept the rubbing and wait till the rubber runs down to change the tyres out for 275's... which I hope will fit and allow some lowering...
Also the rubbing seems much less in Sport 2 than Comfort as it seems in S2 the travel allowed at the wheel is less, even though the ride height seems the same.
The question I have is will 275 fit or will I have to go back to 265's.
In terms of grip the 285 are better but marginally so ... and its diff to say if its due to the extra rubbber or coz they are Bstone's....
Last edited by stevebez; May 2, 2007 at 07:57 AM.
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I have 275 and there is no rubbing at all with 4 ppl in the car. I was told not to go for 285s however. I have the 19' sl65 wheels. If i were u i would change to 275. The rubbing gets annoying and scary sometimes.
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OK so I knew my wheels were a tight fit (285/30 on 19/9.5's) 31 offset so I figured I could make a plan.
So I dashed (read 1.5 hours each way) to see a shop who really seemed very professional etc - but only to tell me fenders are already rolled allot ex factory and cannot be rolled further without possibly incurring some rear panel damage.
Bottom line is my only option left is to have the 31 offset rims machined to 36's or just accept the rubbing and wait till the rubber runs down to change then tyres out for 275's... which I hope will fit and allow some lowering...
Also the rubbing seems much less in Sport 2 than Comfort as it seems in S2 the travel allowed at the wheel is less, even though the ride height seems the same.
The question I have is will 275 fit or will I have to go back to 265's.
In terms of grip the 285 are better but marginally so ... and its diff to say if its due to the extra rubbber or coz they are Bstone's....
So I dashed (read 1.5 hours each way) to see a shop who really seemed very professional etc - but only to tell me fenders are already rolled allot ex factory and cannot be rolled further without possibly incurring some rear panel damage.
Bottom line is my only option left is to have the 31 offset rims machined to 36's or just accept the rubbing and wait till the rubber runs down to change then tyres out for 275's... which I hope will fit and allow some lowering...
Also the rubbing seems much less in Sport 2 than Comfort as it seems in S2 the travel allowed at the wheel is less, even though the ride height seems the same.
The question I have is will 275 fit or will I have to go back to 265's.
In terms of grip the 285 are better but marginally so ... and its diff to say if its due to the extra rubbber or coz they are Bstone's....
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Ill take a picture of the fenders ... they are clearly already rolled but I thought they can get another 2-3 mm out of it - especially at the top ... they said it could bend the rear arch if they went further ... Mbe Ill give it a "bash" myself .... eeeek!
The guy I saw quoted £50/arch - Specialised Paintwork in Reading ... does lots of Porsche and Lotus work. Carl - v nice guy.
The rubbing is on the top of the tyre (treadside) so there is allot of space I need to find... I think 5mm will make it clear and the camber will pull it it enough.
Whats wierd is when I am cornering hard there is no rubbing its only when turing on an angle or hitting a shallow point on a highway.... and again really infrequent ... but its taking the paint off now and it could cause some rust issues later if not treated properly.
What to do ... ?
Kaz what offset are the SL65 wheels you have and are they 10" or 9.5"?
AMG say on their options list ET31's are suitable with 275/30's but modifications required... I assume this implies the fender roll.... which is ex factory on the late model 55's. Can someone please verify if the new non AMG E class have their rear fenders rolled?
The guy I saw quoted £50/arch - Specialised Paintwork in Reading ... does lots of Porsche and Lotus work. Carl - v nice guy.
The rubbing is on the top of the tyre (treadside) so there is allot of space I need to find... I think 5mm will make it clear and the camber will pull it it enough.
Whats wierd is when I am cornering hard there is no rubbing its only when turing on an angle or hitting a shallow point on a highway.... and again really infrequent ... but its taking the paint off now and it could cause some rust issues later if not treated properly.
What to do ... ?
Kaz what offset are the SL65 wheels you have and are they 10" or 9.5"?
AMG say on their options list ET31's are suitable with 275/30's but modifications required... I assume this implies the fender roll.... which is ex factory on the late model 55's. Can someone please verify if the new non AMG E class have their rear fenders rolled?
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E55s do have rolled fenders, but that actually hurts clearance more than helps. The inner lip is just tucked up and can definitely be rolled more. i have seen MANY that have gone 5mm and it is barely noticable.
As for the fitment. It sounds like you are only rubbing due to how tall the tire is and not just width. That is likely why a 275 will work. If you do not mind going to a 275, then I would do that before i rolled the fenders.
You can shave most rims 4mm. I don't know why that is the standard amount, but it is the rule of thumb I've used.
For perspective, I run 18X9.5et37 with a 295/30 and NO rubbing what so ever.
As for the fitment. It sounds like you are only rubbing due to how tall the tire is and not just width. That is likely why a 275 will work. If you do not mind going to a 275, then I would do that before i rolled the fenders.
You can shave most rims 4mm. I don't know why that is the standard amount, but it is the rule of thumb I've used.
For perspective, I run 18X9.5et37 with a 295/30 and NO rubbing what so ever.
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I am using 19" x 9.5" CLK55 wheels (28mm offset) in the rear of my E55 w/275/30/19 MIchelin PS2 tires and they do not rub at all suspension settings, dips, etc. and the fenders are not rolled. They did rub a lot with 285/30/19 tires. I hope this helps.
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Your rear tire rubbing occurs at the point where the factory roll ends and the plastic rear bumper attaches with a sharp point, ie. @ 2 o'clock and a bit @ 10 o'clock.. you cannot roll this part of the wheel arch but you can file a few mm off the sharp plastic. Be careful not to file too much off or it will pop out of its mount. 285's are square on 9.5" tire whereas 275's are stretched so as the camber increases on compression, they "fold" better into the wheel well.
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Jangy I think you are right the tyre height is playing a role here ...
The rubbing is most severe at 11 through 1 o clock and some minor rubbing beyond that on either side but not continuously - Wierdly there is no rubbing near the bumper side or where the fender ends and the plastic starts...
I think to sort this out I'll just get 275's and be done with it ... enuf d1cking around ...
Last question before I dive in ... can I lower with 275's or will that still be taboo ?
The rubbing is most severe at 11 through 1 o clock and some minor rubbing beyond that on either side but not continuously - Wierdly there is no rubbing near the bumper side or where the fender ends and the plastic starts...
I think to sort this out I'll just get 275's and be done with it ... enuf d1cking around ...
Last question before I dive in ... can I lower with 275's or will that still be taboo ?
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I am lowered at the lowest setting with ET33 275/35 on 19 and not rubbing...
Want to go to 285/30 also but I dont want to change any offset etc...
Will it rub for sure at any susp settings or only when my car is loaded with 5 ???
Want to go to 285/30 also but I dont want to change any offset etc...
Will it rub for sure at any susp settings or only when my car is loaded with 5 ???
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Dont go to 285/30 with that 33 offset ... you need I reckon 5-6 mm to clear with 285 for a 31 offset - so you need to find 3-4 mm ... minimum...
The prolem is height and bulge ... the tyre actually rubs on the top corner of the tread - does not even get to the side wall....
For the extra 1cm of tread its not worth the hassle - think you will get better traction from some r compound tyres - if you can fnd them in 19" and Y rated that is.
The prolem is height and bulge ... the tyre actually rubs on the top corner of the tread - does not even get to the side wall....
For the extra 1cm of tread its not worth the hassle - think you will get better traction from some r compound tyres - if you can fnd them in 19" and Y rated that is.
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I see.... but I want 285/30 with ET 33...what can be done to avoid rubbing...can this problem be fixed at all ???
I run Yokohamas Advan Sport 102 and going to get the same tyre but 103...they hook up quite well...it probably the best tyres for E55 on the market right now...
I run Yokohamas Advan Sport 102 and going to get the same tyre but 103...they hook up quite well...it probably the best tyres for E55 on the market right now...
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The only reliable method is probably to have the wheels shaved 3-4 mm and possibly have the fenders rolled further - but I was told additional fender roll will not be enuf for my 31 offset & 285 to clear... especially if I want to lower...
