sack5000

Let everyone know when you try ESP off and on......

juicee63

With all due respect to the 63 owner he should stay right with you on a good track. The 63 even more than the 55 needs to be driven VERY HARD or she will not give you all the hp! Shift point needs to be right before the red and in MANUAL using paddles, esp off if the car has is hooking. Oh yeah suspension in Comfort. Car ought to get down to 12.6-12.7 . There is a member here that I am seeking a time slip from with a 12.5** in an E63. So far in terrible conditions we could only muster a 12.9-13.1, and that was under 60 mph cross wind and a slippery track. I think Samssonz car will break the 12.8 mark next week. I really want to break 13 and hopefully with the kinks ironed out and the rookie lesson I can muster some decent times. We really need to get TREZ63 out to the track because the dyno shows his carf is super spry!

juicee63

Esp off is faster if you can get traction! If you hook up go ahead and keep it off. In the on position it allowed me to stay even with the Vette and even beat him in rd 1. 13.1 to 13.3 with a MOV of .051, I think that is a half a car?


Sammsonz did great with it off. I tried it and nearly went sideways into the grandstand. Car just slid right, and was losing the back all the way down, I think I came across the line @ 15.56. I also hit the rev limiter! So I turned esp on and went back into d/s. Ran high 13's all night until the last 4 runs lined up vs. the Z06. Thos 4 runs were all mid and one nearly sub 13. I am going again on 5/9/07

xabo

"There is a member here that I am seeking a time slip from with a 12.5** in an E63."

I did a 12.5X in a E63. I'm looking for the slip, but it was witnessed by members of this board.

juicee63

WOW, Great run man, no worries on the slip. You have a witness! Post it up on DRAG TIMES, you dont need the slip? We need to get a better compilation of #s for the 63! Could you post details of your run?
TIA

MidniteBluBenz

I've been following th 63 series debate from the start and the fact the 6.2L is a high revving motor should have no impact upon its acceleration. E60M's have no problem running low 12's at 115+ and they have less torque spread over a longer powerband.

There is no excuse as to why the 63 series has failed to meet the expectations of the public. With 507hp/465ft-lbs and 7spd gearbox I was expecting the 63 series to prove to be superior to the E60M in every straight line performance measure, not to mention the 55K cars.

I'm not trying to knock your car. I would kill to have a 63 series car in a second. Obviously it never feels like it lacks power. Nor should it. But amongst this group of gear heads, the straight line performance of the 63 series cars has failed to meet their lofty expectations.

However, I think more miles need to get put on these engines before we can reach any definitive conclusions about it. I don't think I've heard about a single 63 series owner here having logged even 10K miles yet. Only time will tell.

xabo

Comfort mode, Sport mode, pulled up to the light...waited for green.....STOMPED IT!!!

juicee63

Wow , what track? Dude use the paddles bet you run a 12.2- 12.4 Other settings seem consistent with our best runs.

xabo

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/184041-results-maryland-track-day.html

chiromikey

not to take too much away from xabo's 12.5 but before everyone gets too excited you need to remember his run was at mir...a track that's worth 3-5 tenths all by itself.

juicee63

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Originally Posted by MidniteBluBenz

I've been following th 63 series debate from the start and the fact the 6.2L is a high revving motor should have no impact upon its acceleration. E60M's have no problem running low 12's at 115+ and they have less torque spread over a longer powerband.

[QUOTE=MidniteBluBenz;2187069]I've been following th 63 series debate from the start and the fact the 6.2L is a high revving motor should have no impact upon its acceleration. E60M's have no problem running low 12's at 115+ and they have less torque spread over a longer powerband.

Ok best 55 times stock are 11.849 and 11.850 @ 118.1and118.3. Absolutely Incredible!

Best for an M5 stock 12.273@116 and a few 12.3 @ 115. Really good! The fact is the M5 average is more like 12.6-12.9 @112-115. So the E63 #s are closer to the M5 than you think 12.5 and numerous runs at 12.6 and 12.7@114-115.

I dont think we have enough runs to jump to the conclusion the 63 is not a good performer! The 63 is getting faster and there is going to be a wide range of numbers produced because of the adaptive trans and ecu. The 55 was not doing any better than the 63 on our track in fact the 63 had the better runs 90% of the time! All of us novice drivers! The 55 was an 2006 .

From a stop the M5 will not beat the 63 and The cars are so close it is just a matter of time before we see comparable figures to the M car in the 63. Is the M6 slow? You never see track data from a M6 , supposed to be faster but where are the runs slips! My experience on the street is the M cars are slower unless in the hands of a skilled experienced driver, then maybe you get a nice run! Anyone with an M5 or M6 I would LOVE YOU to come out to LACR or Irwindale and line up directly with a 63. Torque in the 55 makes it a superior 1/4 mile car and yes that is to all cars mentioned above. The M5, 63 comparison is good and I think My CLS outweighs the M5 by a bit and the E , is there an adjustment a correction for weight?

juicee63

OMG , it was his FIRST RUN! The fact that he did this on his first time to a track that has to erase the track correction :-).. GREAT run XABo. Next time 12.2! Get the paddles going and go before the light turns green!

chiromikey

i understand the point you're trying to make but it's quite misleading to compare track times from mir, atco, e-town and a couple of others to the rest of the nation. regardless of what run it was, that doesn't "erase" the facts. it's crazy to say that stock e55's should run 11.8's...but they do at those tracks.

juicee63

I guess you understand this and I completely agree! So we need you to do the corrections. :-) So XABO's run at 12.5xx in his E63 and venoms 12.6 are actually not as good as sammsonz 12.9@ LACR with the DA of 3575? Are there anty weight corrections we can do since the CLS 63 is 200 lbs heavier than the E? I guess we need to drag the E w/passenger! Thanks for all your help on my drag EDU!

Lifesgud2

well said. The guys from Kleeman cant understand it. They say that the horspower is around 460 to the crank, NOT 507

juicee63

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Originally Posted by Lifesgud2

well said. The guys from Kleeman cant understand it. They say that the horspower is around 460 to the crank, NOT 507

Funny, Evosport dynoed Trez63 car @ 520 @ the crank! Mine was 492, 460 is a tad too low. How fast would a 460 hp car @ 4400 lbs do the 1/4 mile in? Seems all the cars are doing better than 13.8 which is what the car would do if it was putting down 378 @ the wheels.. Seems Kleeman has a broken 63!!!

05VENOM

Sorry I arrived so late... I tried with the ESP off and actually do feel a difference. Although this is NOT track confirmed. All my runs so far have been with the ESP on.
Will be at E-town on Fri, MAY 18. On the 14th I am having the tranny reflash(car still starts in 2nd in 'S" mode,
dealer says there is a fix). I have repeated last week with another 12.6 114+ run. STill crappy 60' though. Car is a daily driver and refuse the wet burn-out.

Mentioned this before...what are you 55 guys weighing in at . I think the 63 is roughly 200-300lbs heavier(although MB says otherwise). This has to factor in somwhat..at least .1-.2 sec

juicee63

the cls 63 is 4447 with me in it :-). You should be at 4020 plus whatever you weigh. Use the paddles and comfort suspension, esp off, stay away from the water. see if you can hook up and take it close to the limiter . You should run better. Also Make sure you do some real nice blasts on the way to the track . Sam was powerbraking with esp off. Hey also take your spare tire out and mats and any other weight that could help a little. Fuel on near empty GOOD LUCK man we are all counting on you! I swear your car is gonna jump off once the new sofware is loaded.

chiromikey

every time i've wanted to weigh my car at the track the scales have been closed. i'll keep trying though.

why would you think the 63 is that much heavier when mb says it's 50lbs lighter...especially when the 63 doesn't have an s/c?

enzom

4322 at e-town right after my 11.85 run.

05VENOM

Last week at the track weighed her...4,550 with me in it .......GASP...fattest ride I've seen so far...4,303 with me NOT in it. I really don't want to remove spare, mats etc....because I want the ride to be representative of what she will do while daily driving.

juicee63

Yeah but looks like you weigh as much as me! 4550 is heavier than my CLS. I will weigh on Wednesday. Good Luck

sack5000

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MB_Forever

Wow, a very old thread..... brings back good memories

05VENOM

Sure does. Let's bring back the thread that questioned a few 63 runs in the 1320 at 12.5 At the time when the car first came out no one believed. Look at the times now!!