M5 vs. my stock 06 E55
04-09-2008, 09:12 PM
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Not to add fuel to an old azz fire, but here goes.
I had a slightly modded W209 CLK55 and I still miss the gobs of torque that 5.4L produced.
Prior to getting the M5, I test drove a pre-owned E55 and the new E63. Both were dramatically quicker feelin than the CLK55, with the E55 more fun off the line.
However, after test driving the M5, I realized what the hype was.
The M5 is probably a dead heat with the supercharged E classes off the line. However, the key difference is that after 3rd gear the M5 just pulls and pulls. It actually gets FASTER in the higher gears.
In addition, I've tracked my CLK55 before. If the E55 is anything like the CLK55 (I imagine it's probably even less nimble from my test drives), the M5 is the clear winner- hands down.
So here are my empirical takeaways Stock vs. Stock:
1. from a dig: the E55/63 and E60 M5 are neck and neck
2. at higher speeds: the M5 wins and continues to pull
3. on the track: the only MB that will come close to the M5 would probably be the C63, CLK63 Black Series, or SLR.
Just my 2 cents.
I had a slightly modded W209 CLK55 and I still miss the gobs of torque that 5.4L produced.
Prior to getting the M5, I test drove a pre-owned E55 and the new E63. Both were dramatically quicker feelin than the CLK55, with the E55 more fun off the line.
However, after test driving the M5, I realized what the hype was.
The M5 is probably a dead heat with the supercharged E classes off the line. However, the key difference is that after 3rd gear the M5 just pulls and pulls. It actually gets FASTER in the higher gears.
In addition, I've tracked my CLK55 before. If the E55 is anything like the CLK55 (I imagine it's probably even less nimble from my test drives), the M5 is the clear winner- hands down.
So here are my empirical takeaways Stock vs. Stock:
1. from a dig: the E55/63 and E60 M5 are neck and neck
2. at higher speeds: the M5 wins and continues to pull
3. on the track: the only MB that will come close to the M5 would probably be the C63, CLK63 Black Series, or SLR.
Just my 2 cents.
04-09-2008, 09:24 PM
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What you think you are able to dispell is of little relevance to me. I merely am dealing with objective facts and observations. "Magical" is as subjective an adjective as any, but it is an apt one for a five-passenger sedan that can reel in a 911 turbo at full trottle.
04-09-2008, 09:27 PM
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Not to add fuel to an old azz fire, but here goes.
I had a slightly modded W209 CLK55 and I still miss the gobs of torque that 5.4L produced.
Prior to getting the M5, I test drove a pre-owned E55 and the new E63. Both were dramatically quicker feelin than the CLK55, with the E55 more fun off the line.
However, after test driving the M5, I realized what the hype was.
The M5 is probably a dead heat with the supercharged E classes off the line. However, the key difference is that after 3rd gear the M5 just pulls and pulls. It actually gets FASTER in the higher gears.
In addition, I've tracked my CLK55 before. If the E55 is anything like the CLK55 (I imagine it's probably even less nimble from my test drives), the M5 is the clear winner- hands down.
So here are my empirical takeaways Stock vs. Stock:
2. at higher speeds: the M5 wins and continues to pull
3. on the track: the only MB that will come close to the M5 would probably be the C63, CLK63 Black Series, or SLR.
Just my 2 cents.
I had a slightly modded W209 CLK55 and I still miss the gobs of torque that 5.4L produced.
Prior to getting the M5, I test drove a pre-owned E55 and the new E63. Both were dramatically quicker feelin than the CLK55, with the E55 more fun off the line.
However, after test driving the M5, I realized what the hype was.
The M5 is probably a dead heat with the supercharged E classes off the line. However, the key difference is that after 3rd gear the M5 just pulls and pulls. It actually gets FASTER in the higher gears.
In addition, I've tracked my CLK55 before. If the E55 is anything like the CLK55 (I imagine it's probably even less nimble from my test drives), the M5 is the clear winner- hands down.
So here are my empirical takeaways Stock vs. Stock:
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1. from a dig: the E55/63 and E60 M5 are neck and neck
2. at higher speeds: the M5 wins and continues to pull
3. on the track: the only MB that will come close to the M5 would probably be the C63, CLK63 Black Series, or SLR.
Just my 2 cents.
Blasphemy.
M5 gets owned from a dig, 2. and 3. are on point
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Not to add fuel to an old azz fire, but here goes.
I had a slightly modded W209 CLK55 and I still miss the gobs of torque that 5.4L produced.
Prior to getting the M5, I test drove a pre-owned E55 and the new E63. Both were dramatically quicker feelin than the CLK55, with the E55 more fun off the line.
However, after test driving the M5, I realized what the hype was.
The M5 is probably a dead heat with the supercharged E classes off the line. However, the key difference is that after 3rd gear the M5 just pulls and pulls. It actually gets FASTER in the higher gears.
In addition, I've tracked my CLK55 before. If the E55 is anything like the CLK55 (I imagine it's probably even less nimble from my test drives), the M5 is the clear winner- hands down.
So here are my empirical takeaways Stock vs. Stock:
1. from a dig: the E55/63 and E60 M5 are neck and neck
2. at higher speeds: the M5 wins and continues to pull
3. on the track: the only MB that will come close to the M5 would probably be the C63, CLK63 Black Series, or SLR.
Just my 2 cents.
I had a slightly modded W209 CLK55 and I still miss the gobs of torque that 5.4L produced.
Prior to getting the M5, I test drove a pre-owned E55 and the new E63. Both were dramatically quicker feelin than the CLK55, with the E55 more fun off the line.
However, after test driving the M5, I realized what the hype was.
The M5 is probably a dead heat with the supercharged E classes off the line. However, the key difference is that after 3rd gear the M5 just pulls and pulls. It actually gets FASTER in the higher gears.
In addition, I've tracked my CLK55 before. If the E55 is anything like the CLK55 (I imagine it's probably even less nimble from my test drives), the M5 is the clear winner- hands down.
So here are my empirical takeaways Stock vs. Stock:
1. from a dig: the E55/63 and E60 M5 are neck and neck
2. at higher speeds: the M5 wins and continues to pull
3. on the track: the only MB that will come close to the M5 would probably be the C63, CLK63 Black Series, or SLR.
Just my 2 cents.
2&3 are correct
04-10-2008, 07:10 PM
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Thank you for the input
Hey, just my 2 cents. I welcome the input. I reiterate, those were merely theoretical conclusions based on my observations.
Maybe I stand corrected. Anyhow, I'll save phrases like "blasphemy" and citations from somewhat unfounded websites like "dragtimes.com" from this post. In addition, I'll also refrain from spewing insults and juvenile rebuttals (such as the ones I've seen in earlier posts).
As I've mentioned, I've tried out both cars, and those were my observations. I believe that I may be in relatively good company too-
From C/D article in 2004:
Now it's used to hurdle two-plus tons of German taxi to 60 mph in 4.3 seconds and demolish quarter-miles in 12.5 seconds (C/D, May 2003). We scoured the cobblestone side streets of Radicofini for metal-flake Corvettes to obliterate. No luck.
From C/D article in 2007:
Paired with the Mercedes seven-speed automatic, the AMG V-8 delivers 4.2-second 0-to-60-mph runs and covers the quarter-mile in 12.6 seconds at 115 mph — about the same as the E55 AMG, even though the E63 weighs in some 80 pounds heavier.
From C/D article in 2006:
Allied with BMW's equally new seven-speed sequential manual gearbox (SMG) in max-performance mode and the lowest curb weight (4110 pounds) in this collection, the M5 blasts to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds, a dead heat with the CLS55, and then eases ahead of the Benz in the quarter-mile at 12.5 seconds and 118 mph.
At the end of the day, I would love to experience a nice run against an E55 or E63 myself.
Maybe I stand corrected. Anyhow, I'll save phrases like "blasphemy" and citations from somewhat unfounded websites like "dragtimes.com" from this post. In addition, I'll also refrain from spewing insults and juvenile rebuttals (such as the ones I've seen in earlier posts).
As I've mentioned, I've tried out both cars, and those were my observations. I believe that I may be in relatively good company too-
From C/D article in 2004:
Now it's used to hurdle two-plus tons of German taxi to 60 mph in 4.3 seconds and demolish quarter-miles in 12.5 seconds (C/D, May 2003). We scoured the cobblestone side streets of Radicofini for metal-flake Corvettes to obliterate. No luck.
From C/D article in 2007:
Paired with the Mercedes seven-speed automatic, the AMG V-8 delivers 4.2-second 0-to-60-mph runs and covers the quarter-mile in 12.6 seconds at 115 mph — about the same as the E55 AMG, even though the E63 weighs in some 80 pounds heavier.
From C/D article in 2006:
Allied with BMW's equally new seven-speed sequential manual gearbox (SMG) in max-performance mode and the lowest curb weight (4110 pounds) in this collection, the M5 blasts to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds, a dead heat with the CLS55, and then eases ahead of the Benz in the quarter-mile at 12.5 seconds and 118 mph.
At the end of the day, I would love to experience a nice run against an E55 or E63 myself.
04-10-2008, 07:46 PM
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Correction- I'd like to run w/ a STOCK W211 AMG
Although I wouldn't mind running w/ a modified E55, I'd rather run against a stock E55/63 first.
I'm not scheduled to get my mods done for at least another 2 months, so it'll be a while.
Anyhow, everyone knows an E55 with ECU tune, pulleys, and exhaust is as fast as hell. Running against one of those is like taking a butterknife to a swordfight.
I'm not scheduled to get my mods done for at least another 2 months, so it'll be a while.
Anyhow, everyone knows an E55 with ECU tune, pulleys, and exhaust is as fast as hell. Running against one of those is like taking a butterknife to a swordfight.
04-10-2008, 08:18 PM
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Hey, just my 2 cents. I welcome the input. I reiterate, those were merely theoretical conclusions based on my observations.
Maybe I stand corrected. Anyhow, I'll save phrases like "blasphemy" and citations from somewhat unfounded websites like "dragtimes.com" from this post. In addition, I'll also refrain from spewing insults and juvenile rebuttals (such as the ones I've seen in earlier posts).
As I've mentioned, I've tried out both cars, and those were my observations. I believe that I may be in relatively good company too-
From C/D article in 2004:
Now it's used to hurdle two-plus tons of German taxi to 60 mph in 4.3 seconds and demolish quarter-miles in 12.5 seconds (C/D, May 2003). We scoured the cobblestone side streets of Radicofini for metal-flake Corvettes to obliterate. No luck.
From C/D article in 2007:
Paired with the Mercedes seven-speed automatic, the AMG V-8 delivers 4.2-second 0-to-60-mph runs and covers the quarter-mile in 12.6 seconds at 115 mph — about the same as the E55 AMG, even though the E63 weighs in some 80 pounds heavier.
From C/D article in 2006:
Allied with BMW's equally new seven-speed sequential manual gearbox (SMG) in max-performance mode and the lowest curb weight (4110 pounds) in this collection, the M5 blasts to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds, a dead heat with the CLS55, and then eases ahead of the Benz in the quarter-mile at 12.5 seconds and 118 mph.
At the end of the day, I would love to experience a nice run against an E55 or E63 myself.
Maybe I stand corrected. Anyhow, I'll save phrases like "blasphemy" and citations from somewhat unfounded websites like "dragtimes.com" from this post. In addition, I'll also refrain from spewing insults and juvenile rebuttals (such as the ones I've seen in earlier posts).
As I've mentioned, I've tried out both cars, and those were my observations. I believe that I may be in relatively good company too-
From C/D article in 2004:
Now it's used to hurdle two-plus tons of German taxi to 60 mph in 4.3 seconds and demolish quarter-miles in 12.5 seconds (C/D, May 2003). We scoured the cobblestone side streets of Radicofini for metal-flake Corvettes to obliterate. No luck.
From C/D article in 2007:
Paired with the Mercedes seven-speed automatic, the AMG V-8 delivers 4.2-second 0-to-60-mph runs and covers the quarter-mile in 12.6 seconds at 115 mph — about the same as the E55 AMG, even though the E63 weighs in some 80 pounds heavier.
From C/D article in 2006:
Allied with BMW's equally new seven-speed sequential manual gearbox (SMG) in max-performance mode and the lowest curb weight (4110 pounds) in this collection, the M5 blasts to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds, a dead heat with the CLS55, and then eases ahead of the Benz in the quarter-mile at 12.5 seconds and 118 mph.
At the end of the day, I would love to experience a nice run against an E55 or E63 myself.
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Although I wouldn't mind running w/ a modified E55, I'd rather run against a stock E55/63 first.
I'm not scheduled to get my mods done for at least another 2 months, so it'll be a while.
Anyhow, everyone knows an E55 with ECU tune, pulleys, and exhaust is as fast as hell. Running against one of those is like taking a butterknife to a swordfight.
I'm not scheduled to get my mods done for at least another 2 months, so it'll be a while.
Anyhow, everyone knows an E55 with ECU tune, pulleys, and exhaust is as fast as hell. Running against one of those is like taking a butterknife to a swordfight.
Dragtimes was just some info I threw out so you could see I wasn't BS'n.
I have first hand experience in the M5/M6 vs E55/63 topic: I have done 2 dragstrip rentals with the Bimmer guys.The fastest/quickest E60 M5 at both rentals was Multiowner.He has a slightly modded M5,I believe he was the very very first M5 in the 11's(I witnessed it)at 11.979(http://dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-9885.html) On drag radials&3.91 Dinan gears.I ran a best of 12.1 that day.No other M5/M6 were close to my 12.1 and they WERE ALL MODDED with supersprint exhaust,Dinan this,Dinan that etc.However they ALL posted trap speeds over 118mph.
The last rental on 3/10 was with the same Bimmer crowd.Their best time's were in the 12.2 range and again,all highly modded;they were trapping 120+mph this time around.
So believe what you will,I actually dragrace my 63&can give you unbiased first-hand info,not magazine here-say.I have all those AMG/BMW runs on vid.
In a dragrace from a dig,a BONE STOCK M5/M6 will get it's *** handed to it by a BONE STOCK E55/63.If you start the race at 100+mph the BMW will trounce the 55/63
I'm not trying to start anything as this topic has been beat to death but IMO the 55/63 is a winner strictly in the 1/4mi against a M5/M6
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I'm 15min from Bergen County,I'd make some friendly runs against your M5 anyday.
Dragtimes was just some info I threw out so you could see I wasn't BS'n.
I have first hand experience in the M5/M6 vs E55/63 topic: I have done 2 dragstrip rentals with the Bimmer guys.The fastest/quickest E60 M5 at both rentals was Multiowner.He has a slightly modded M5,I believe he was the very very first M5 in the 11's(I witnessed it)at 11.979(http://dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-9885.html) On drag radials&3.91 Dinan gears.I ran a best of 12.1 that day.No other M5/M6 were close to my 12.1 and they WERE ALL MODDED with supersprint exhaust,Dinan this,Dinan that etc.However they ALL posted trap speeds over 118mph.
The last rental on 3/10 was with the same Bimmer crowd.Their best time's were in the 12.2 range and again,all highly modded;they were trapping 120+mph this time around.
So believe what you will,I actually dragrace my 63&can give you unbiased first-hand info,not magazine here-say.I have all those AMG/BMW runs on vid.
In a dragrace from a dig,a BONE STOCK M5/M6 will get it's *** handed to it by a BONE STOCK E55/63.If you start the race at 100+mph the BMW will trounce the 55/63
I'm not trying to start anything as this topic has been beat to death but IMO the 55/63 is a winner strictly in the 1/4mi against a M5/M6
Dragtimes was just some info I threw out so you could see I wasn't BS'n.
I have first hand experience in the M5/M6 vs E55/63 topic: I have done 2 dragstrip rentals with the Bimmer guys.The fastest/quickest E60 M5 at both rentals was Multiowner.He has a slightly modded M5,I believe he was the very very first M5 in the 11's(I witnessed it)at 11.979(http://dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-9885.html) On drag radials&3.91 Dinan gears.I ran a best of 12.1 that day.No other M5/M6 were close to my 12.1 and they WERE ALL MODDED with supersprint exhaust,Dinan this,Dinan that etc.However they ALL posted trap speeds over 118mph.
The last rental on 3/10 was with the same Bimmer crowd.Their best time's were in the 12.2 range and again,all highly modded;they were trapping 120+mph this time around.
So believe what you will,I actually dragrace my 63&can give you unbiased first-hand info,not magazine here-say.I have all those AMG/BMW runs on vid.
In a dragrace from a dig,a BONE STOCK M5/M6 will get it's *** handed to it by a BONE STOCK E55/63.If you start the race at 100+mph the BMW will trounce the 55/63
I'm not trying to start anything as this topic has been beat to death but IMO the 55/63 is a winner strictly in the 1/4mi against a M5/M6
No, no, not at all. I wouldn't think that you're starting anything. You've been cordial here. I just think other people who make snide remarks are pointless.
I'm actually not much of a drag racer, haven't been on a 1/4 mile track since 2001. However, been at HPDEs recently. I just enjoy friendly runs on certain stretches of asphalt. In any event, I guess in the real world the E55/E63 might be quicker- torque/gearing advantage?
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No, no, not at all. I wouldn't think that you're starting anything. You've been cordial here. I just think other people who make snide remarks are pointless.
I'm actually not much of a drag racer, haven't been on a 1/4 mile track since 2001. However, been at HPDEs recently. I just enjoy friendly runs on certain stretches of asphalt. In any event, I guess in the real world the E55/E63 might be quicker- torque/gearing advantage?
I'm actually not much of a drag racer, haven't been on a 1/4 mile track since 2001. However, been at HPDEs recently. I just enjoy friendly runs on certain stretches of asphalt. In any event, I guess in the real world the E55/E63 might be quicker- torque/gearing advantage?
I dunno,couldbe both.But the M5 needs rpm off the line to launch hard,since it lacks low end torque.I hear the 6sp really neuters(electronically&ratio wise) the car,but I'm pretty sure if you could launch one at 5000-6000rpm&have it hook it would be game over for the 55/63 so I think the non-SMG tranny would be better for launching but thats entirely my opinion¬ fact
.You need torque to spin the wheels out of the hole(which the 55 has in gobs of at an insanely low rpm)if you don't have it down low then you need to get your rpm's there&then launch(a manual trans).The M5 loves hi rpm's and rips in the upper rev range as it's a relatively small displacement engine for 10cyl.
I hope I conveyed that properly,I'm tired as hell&can't think or type straight
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first you get an "i'm better than thou" attitude by saying this:
then you come back with this:
get over yourself. people already gave your input credit for being 2/3 correct. take that as a compliment instead of being an **** for being completely wrong on the dig part and believing american car rags over actual drag racing data.
get over yourself. people already gave your input credit for being 2/3 correct. take that as a compliment instead of being an **** for being completely wrong on the dig part and believing american car rags over actual drag racing data.
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I totally miss the torque of my CLK55 (even though it was NA, it had gobs of torque down low).
The 6-speed M5 has one major drawback, you can't fully disable the DSC.
Like I said, I'll have to run into one of you guys (stock ones, please) one day.
So far, I haven't been challenged by anyone except for an AARP member rolling in a fake C5 Z06. It was horrible (for him).
BTW, anyone know the name of this song in the background? It's nuts. I love it. http://www.asrengineeringinc.com/
The 6-speed M5 has one major drawback, you can't fully disable the DSC.
Like I said, I'll have to run into one of you guys (stock ones, please) one day.
So far, I haven't been challenged by anyone except for an AARP member rolling in a fake C5 Z06. It was horrible (for him).
BTW, anyone know the name of this song in the background? It's nuts. I love it. http://www.asrengineeringinc.com/
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first you get an "i'm better than thou" attitude by saying this:
then you come back with this:
get over yourself. people already gave your input credit for being 2/3 correct. take that as a compliment instead of being an **** for being completely wrong on the dig part and believing american car rags over actual drag racing data.
then you come back with this:
get over yourself. people already gave your input credit for being 2/3 correct. take that as a compliment instead of being an **** for being completely wrong on the dig part and believing american car rags over actual drag racing data.
Secondly, maybe you're reading too much into my post. I never claimed anything as fact. And, I've never intentionally insulted anyone. So if you believe that I have a "i'm better than thou" attitude, that's your prerogative.
Bottom line Chiromikey, relax.
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04-10-2008, 09:43 PM
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No sweat. You shouldn't take it personally. This car forum is crawling with guys who go to the strip. We know that what you actually run with your own car is what matters and that magazine times are notoriously sketchy.
Lesson learned.
