chiromikey

i know their lease deals are fantastic right now but depreciation is still an issue, someone is still paying for that depreciation, and i have this sneaky suspicion that it's NOT the dealer.

sack5000

The overall cost to drive the car is fixed and expensive at the same time I don't deny that. All the variables are removed and it is the chance to enjoy the drive with no risk. Hammer down.

P.S. At lease end you are free to look w/o trying to sell something and worrying about...depreciation.

RJC

Man the 55vs. 63 stuff here is intense.

Look the E55 may be a bit faster in a straight line but the 63 is a better handling car, it also has some nice updates/changes that the 55 does not have.

The majority of AMG E cars sold are not modified so the ease of moding may not be that important to the majority of owners out there especialy if part of the warranty will be compromised.

I had a late production 06 E55 and liked it alot but the new 63's are pretty darn sweet and when given a choice between NA and forced induction engines if the hp/trq difference is not that great I'd go NA anyday.

I am still concerned though that the MB 7 speed is still having dificulties as reported here while the 55's 5 speed seems to be bullet proof.

If I were given the choice right now of a brand new 06 E55 or brand new 07 E63 for the same money or lease payment, I think I'd have to go for the 63.

deaded

But I *like* potatoes.

NGS_E55

test drove the E63, it stalled and the brakes were wayyy too touchy. Took the E55 home, no offense but I if I wanted NA, I'd take an M5 over E63. Now the 63 Turbo will be a different ballgame. That said, the styling of the 63 has the edge over the 55.

chiromikey

very true, in fact the majority of amg owners probably never even drive thier e55/63 harder than an e320. however, that majority typically doesn't post here either so results are obviously going to be skewed when this type of question is posed to this type of forum. take it all with a grain of salt and enjoy whatever amg you get to beat the hell out of!

Vic55

E63 sales are poor, its one year in and the lease special is already here. Not to say the 55 didnt depreciate but the 63 has come out of the gate rather slowly.

Do a search on all the sports car comparo's in this forum, after 5+ years of being out on the streets people are still racing vettes, vipers, ferraris, lambos, etc versus the 55. We are talking a 2 ton plus grocery getter against true sports cars. Will the E63 gather this respect and comparisons in 5 years- I hope so because the 63 is a great car and its my E55's close cousin but I dont think it will come to a reality.

We all know the brakes and steering feel are better but at what trade off? I just spent the weekend talking to several E63 owners at the Rosebowl and they all thought I was crazy to consider dumping my 55 (albeit heavily modded) for a 63. Other opinions may vary, especially the 63 owners who protect their cars as strongly as the 55 owners do. Both cars are great and have certain comparative advantages- if these are your hot points then your decision will go with the car that carries the greater positives.

gE63

What’s all this BS about a 63 TT? It’s not going to happen folks (for the E anyway)… Do think for a minute that MB is going to make the E class the fastest MB? They have to sell those $190K 65s. Wake up! As far as the 55 being faster, it’s not true. One thing I will say is that MB advertised the 63 as being faster and that’s not true. However, there is no stock 55 (that I have been up against) that has put any car lengths on me. FFT.

John V.

just converted. Went from a CL55 to a CLK63. Must say the 63 motor sure sounds real nice and the throttle response is way better. Didn't like how the 55 motor wound up. The trottle would feel so heavy. Press more and more on it then all of a sudden it would drop a gear and wind out like crazy.

MidniteBluBenz

never driven either...most of my knowledge comes from posts around here. Torque > * imo. Therefore 55K car is still my dream daily driver.

sack5000

Haven't heard from you Jangy, any more thoughts?

AMGrateful

Having driven both, I chose a new E63 over a 'like new' E55, despite the $20k discount. In my opinion, the E63 is at least $20k better.

But then, I don't plan to modify the car to pieces, and I won't feel even a hint of envy if someone in a slammed, modded E55 "type R" crushes me getting on to the freeway. Driving my E63 daily is a euphoric experience, even after 11,000 miles!

Thericker

I sent you pm, since I raced Vadim w/E55k vs my C6, love to see how your 63 compares? I'll be in LA this thursday? Juicee63 turned the offer down...

Has to be daytime HOTT temps, for me to be competitive (tires can't hook in cooler/night weather) sent you pm...It would be excellent proof if you performed w/E63 same as my race w/Vadim E55k? or possibly better as you guys would obviously love, thinking frwy rolls are best bet! I could video-have access to a camera.

Thericker

I have driven the E55k, and raced 1, I agree w/you 100% E55k>E63

Thericker

Noooo Vic! don't do it! you've got the best of both worlds w/65 etc..
Oh yeah mr. Vanos removed my sig, but leaves Juicee63's up w/bra titty shaking vid??? bunch o' a bikini model in (2) pictures is worse than obvious soft ****??? yeah o.k.. sorry for off topic, but I didn't even get a reason/chance to modify it, just pm saying "You should know better?" and sig removal...If I get banned for this so be it...

MB_Forever

Actually, AMG is working on two projects that are code named Hammer 1 and Hammer 2.

Hammer 1 ---> 63 engine TT producing 570 to 580 hp (possibly the E/CLS/maybe CLK class)

Hammer 2 ---> 63 engine TT producing 670 to 680 hp (probably S/SL/CL class).

Again, the article has been scanned and posted in here and on the AMG Private Lounge websites.

So the 65s may be replaced with the more powerful 63 twin turbo engine (about 100hp extra than current models). And therefore, they will still remain the fastest production Mercedes.

Mercedes Benz advertised 63 as faster in 0-60, but NOT 1/4 mile. AMG-FEST 06 states that on average, E55 is 0.2 seconds faster than E63 assuming the E55 doesn't lose too much traction upon take-off of course. Also, based on tests by independent magazines, street racing, and people on this board, the E55 seems to be producing slightly faster numbers in 1/4 mile (stock vs stock). But then again, E63 has better handling.

I actually LOVE both cars...

ItalianStallion

So, for lets say the SL, S, and C class...

There is going to be a 550, 600, 63TT? Will the naturally aspirated 63 still be there and the 63TT replaces the 65 or are they just getting rid of the n/a 63 and throwing twin turbos on it? What will happen to the V12s? I'm sure if AMG build or modded a new V12TT motor they could get it up to insane hp (ie: the Pagani Zonda engine).

I'm hoping they just do what they did with the 55s and throw a twin turbo on all 63s (besides CLK, C, etc). Then Merc comes out with a new V12TT and AMG mods that or makes their own V12TT which will be top of the line.

05VENOM

I think the '03-'06 and current '07 will go down in history as a 'classic' car design. Years from now these cars will still look good on the streets. (as do some older vettes and p-cars). That being said i prefer the body of the 63 over the 55. The changes are subtle and the average Joe probably couldn't even tell the diference but as subtle as they are the average AMG owner will notice. The 63 seems a bit more refined, as an updated version should. Don't really know if it classifies as a NEW model.
Forget brand loyalty..I have never seen such 'model' loyalty among any other gear heads. (You guys put the
Porsce vs Vette...Camaro vs Mustang(remember that)
battles to shame).

MiamiAMG

Touchy aren't we......

jamusa

I think for those who just want to drive a fast car ....the E63 will definately be the choise of cars,but for the others who are looking for a mod friendly car,the E55 is definately the car to have.
Being a newer model...the E63 will be the more refine car and better handeling car.
But in my opinion i believe MB dropped the ball on this one.Being the replacement for the E55,the E63 shoud run off from the E55.There should not even be a debate as to which car is faster.Also for BMW to have thrown down the gauntlet with their natural aspirated "M" cars ,MB/AMG E63 shoud be a better performing car.
Every car manufacturer have stepped up their game in the performance arena,AMG should have given us a little more artilary with the E55,and raise the bar a little higher,knowing that BMW was launching their M cars.

05VENOM

Good points. I am just surprised that MB did not drop the weight in the car. MB states the car is only 80lbs heavier than the E55 (new wheels, brakes etc) but my experience tells tells me different. I weigh her after every 1,320 pass
and my 63 is a heavy weight roughly 4,300+ dry weight...
4,550+ with me in car. No reason why a normal sized 4-door sedan should be 4,300+lbs. Should be more in the neighborhood of 3,800-4,000.

BenzoBoi

Only if ALL the 210's were modded as much as yours...

JamE55

Classic but never forgotten....

jangy

I really don't have much to say. I'll race any E63 on any day. I've had plenty of seat time in both and know what I like. I've always said the E63 is a great car. I even told VIC55 to get one. Does that mean i would give up the E55 for one? NO, but I have crazy plans for my toy. If it were simply a DD, then perhaps.

The only way to resolve this is to have some track events. 1/4mile is for chumps. I wanna see the two go head to head on some road courses (i.e. Willow).

Once rolling, I agree with greg on them being VERY similar, but that simply assumes that you are on a full out WOT, where the tranny can help keep you in a tight band. Transitions are a completely different story and that is where the TQ advantage comes in. On the other hand, I want to know which is faster at top end. We have all stated opinions, but I've never seen it done. I always assumed that the SC would become the gating factor by not letting ample airflow at high speeds, but then again my car pulls like a monster to 160mph.

I just spent Sunday mashing on the E63 and I was definitely waiting for more power often. The power was very linear on the straights, but the problem was that I would just be getting into a good band when it was time to back off. With the 55K, I am up and going much quicker.

Last thing. Why would the handling be better on an E63? Same exact parts as the LATE PRODUCTION '06 E55s PLUS added weight? I simply do not get the folklore. The steering rack is the same, the control arms, etc.

It does have 8.5 inch rims in the front vs 8 on the E55, but both run 245s.
It does have composite brakes in the front, but each rotor is less than 5lbs lighter than the E55s.
It has live braking, so you get more feel.

This is just like when the CLS came out. Everyone touted how much better they handle, until everyone realized it wasn't true. They were simply comparing a new car to an old model E55. In that sense, yes an '07 E63 will outhandle an '04 E55. But, that isn't the argument here.

In either case, you have a great car that YOU must love. If you don't, then dump it and get what you like.

RJC

lol...