W211 E55 vs W211 E63
01-15-2008, 05:01 PM
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From limited seat time the suspension and brakes on the 63 are a good improvement as are the looks. 7-speed likely helps up top but the ratios should be more tuned towrds performance. However, the only one that would hand an M5 its *** is a modded 55k. Otherwise it's as close as to make no difference and a case of different strokes for different folks.
01-15-2008, 05:05 PM
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Economy is definately sunk compared to 03-04, I paid 93k for a E55 I pay the exact same payment for my CLS 63...So its not really E63 specific , it is all cars but gas guzzlers are certainly effected exponentially more..
01-15-2008, 05:08 PM
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Carl Lassiter, I don't think that is a good way of putting it, as it can get easily misconstrued. Phil (deaguero) has also been a member of this forum for a long time. He also contributed a lot, and he is a very well respected and loved member by many.
I'm not saying who is mistaken here, but just clarifying that both are good members here. I'm not sure what happened, but suddenly the conversation aggressive and off topic
I'm not saying who is mistaken here, but just clarifying that both are good members here. I'm not sure what happened, but suddenly the conversation aggressive and off topic
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01-15-2008, 05:11 PM
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Honostly, this is the perfect statement for this discussion. I agree with you 100% on this one.
Stock vs Stock, both cars are very close in performance. The E55 maybe at most 0.1 to 0.2 faster (on average) in 1/4 mile, but E63 is probably 0.1 to 0.2 faster in 1/2 mile.
At Atco, when both cars ran on the same track and same day, Oldgixxer's E63 ran a best of 12.1 and Enzom's E55 ran a best of 11.9. However, Enzom's car has PS2 tires instead of stock Conti's and wider width than stock in the rear (275). I believe if Oldgixxer moves to PS2 instead of continentals and maybe a little wider as well, then he'll definately break into the 11's also.
But once the E55 is modified, bye bye 63. So, it all depends on what you want.
Stock vs Stock, both cars are very close in performance. The E55 maybe at most 0.1 to 0.2 faster (on average) in 1/4 mile, but E63 is probably 0.1 to 0.2 faster in 1/2 mile.
At Atco, when both cars ran on the same track and same day, Oldgixxer's E63 ran a best of 12.1 and Enzom's E55 ran a best of 11.9. However, Enzom's car has PS2 tires instead of stock Conti's and wider width than stock in the rear (275). I believe if Oldgixxer moves to PS2 instead of continentals and maybe a little wider as well, then he'll definately break into the 11's also.
But once the E55 is modified, bye bye 63. So, it all depends on what you want.
Both cars are very close in performance. For the record: That day I ran 11.833 or 11.853 (slip is hard to read) @ 118.26 mph and either an 11.854 or 11.834 @ 117.96. Having run on stock tires and on 265 PS2's, I think that the 1/4 mile gap between the 2 cars is not in the tires. I believe it is a combination of 2 things - the E63 weighs a bit more, and the 55 motor has tremendous torque right off idle.
And for reasons that I don't quite understand, the 55 was actually slowly creeping on the 63 in the last 1/8. It wasn't extreme, but it was there. Doesn't make much sense given the gearing of the 63, but maybe the 55 needs to be in 4th before it really suffers a gearing disadvantage.
And having spent a hell of a long time figuring out just how to dip into the 11's, and knowing how perfect things beyond your control need to be (track prep, weather, etc.) to crack 11's, I can tell you getting there is much tougher than people would believe.
We'll all get together again in March. Just need to figure out what car I will be driving.
01-15-2008, 05:17 PM
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From limited seat time the suspension and brakes on the 63 are a good improvement as are the looks. 7-speed likely helps up top but the ratios should be more tuned towrds performance. However, the only one that would hand an M5 its *** is a modded 55k. Otherwise it's as close as to make no difference and a case of different strokes for different folks.
01-15-2008, 05:19 PM
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And for reasons that I don't quite understand, the 55 was actually slowly creeping on the 63 in the last 1/8. It wasn't extreme, but it was there. Doesn't make much sense given the gearing of the 63, but maybe the 55 needs to be in 4th before it really suffers a gearing disadvantage.
Do you think it has to do with the version of software you have on your car vs newer/older ones?
01-15-2008, 05:21 PM
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I am really surprised at the hostility in this thread. These are cars. 
I would advocate that everyone step away from the keyboard and take a moment to think before posting. Life is too short to be pissed off over nonsense.
At least check out the thread on the SEMA eye candy for a helpful distraction.
I would advocate that everyone step away from the keyboard and take a moment to think before posting. Life is too short to be pissed off over nonsense.
At least check out the thread on the SEMA eye candy for a helpful distraction.
01-15-2008, 05:26 PM
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I really have no idea. My only GUESS is that in the hotter climate, the ECU is more apt to pull timing. Since the SC builds heat much more quickly, the E55 will suffer more from sustained high-rpm operation. So when you are into the last 1/8th, the 90 degree air being sucked into the radiators does nothing to cool the motor, so the engine starts to pull timing. Double whammy of hot air and a heat-producing supercharger. But you can really only determine this with a datalogger.
When you run in 40 degree temps, you don't need to worry about the heat because the cold air is sufficient to cool the motor, which means the ECU leaves the timing alone. Just a guess.
01-15-2008, 05:28 PM
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Nice to see old threads come back to life.
Both cars are very close in performance. For the record: That day I ran 11.833 or 11.853 (slip is hard to read) @ 118.26 mph and either an 11.854 or 11.834 @ 117.96. Having run on stock tires and on 265 PS2's, I think that the 1/4 mile gap between the 2 cars is not in the tires. I believe it is a combination of 2 things - the E63 weighs a bit more, and the 55 motor has tremendous torque right off idle.
And for reasons that I don't quite understand, the 55 was actually slowly creeping on the 63 in the last 1/8. It wasn't extreme, but it was there. Doesn't make much sense given the gearing of the 63, but maybe the 55 needs to be in 4th before it really suffers a gearing disadvantage.
And having spent a hell of a long time figuring out just how to dip into the 11's, and knowing how perfect things beyond your control need to be (track prep, weather, etc.) to crack 11's, I can tell you getting there is much tougher than people would believe.
We'll all get together again in March. Just need to figure out what car I will be driving.
Both cars are very close in performance. For the record: That day I ran 11.833 or 11.853 (slip is hard to read) @ 118.26 mph and either an 11.854 or 11.834 @ 117.96. Having run on stock tires and on 265 PS2's, I think that the 1/4 mile gap between the 2 cars is not in the tires. I believe it is a combination of 2 things - the E63 weighs a bit more, and the 55 motor has tremendous torque right off idle.
And for reasons that I don't quite understand, the 55 was actually slowly creeping on the 63 in the last 1/8. It wasn't extreme, but it was there. Doesn't make much sense given the gearing of the 63, but maybe the 55 needs to be in 4th before it really suffers a gearing disadvantage.
And having spent a hell of a long time figuring out just how to dip into the 11's, and knowing how perfect things beyond your control need to be (track prep, weather, etc.) to crack 11's, I can tell you getting there is much tougher than people would believe.
We'll all get together again in March. Just need to figure out what car I will be driving.
01-15-2008, 05:41 PM
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That's another thing you guys need to factor in........ driver experience (and maybe weight). I don't know how long Oldgixxer's been racing, but Enzom is a very highly experienced drag racing guru.
Maybe we should have Enzom drive another E55 to determine how much the driver factors in all this?
I would've also liked to see Oldgixxer drive Enzom's car while Enzom drives Oldgixxer's car, and then compare numbers
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Maybe we should have Enzom drive another E55 to determine how much the driver factors in all this?
I would've also liked to see Oldgixxer drive Enzom's car while Enzom drives Oldgixxer's car, and then compare numbers
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01-15-2008, 05:59 PM
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About the weight, I thought the advertised numbers by Mercedes for the E55 and E63 were almost identical. In fact, I thought the E55 numbers were advertised to be a little heavier. I believe on MBUSA, the E63 is listed at 4035 lbs, and on the AMG website is listed at 4075 lbs
01-15-2008, 06:12 PM
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I'm hearing lots of the 63 guys liking the PS2s just as well as DRs on the strip. I don't think that is the case with E55s. The launch is the whole key to our cars on the 1/4 mile. I'm focussing on my 60s and let the rest fall.
I have seen a few things in this post that can be cleared up (now that time has gone):
First, LOL!!!!! The 63 actually heats up WAAY worse than the 55k. Different kind of heat up, but it sucks power FAST.
Second, there does come a speed where the Screw is literally a blockage of airflow and drag on the engine more than it is a boost to it. I think that is what pulls the motor rich. Then, the car tries to compensate and the load limit whacks in. Also, 63s that are broken in pull just fine. We had early on rumors and aspirations that the 63 was slower by a grip.
I have seen a few things in this post that can be cleared up (now that time has gone):
First, LOL!!!!! The 63 actually heats up WAAY worse than the 55k. Different kind of heat up, but it sucks power FAST.
Second, there does come a speed where the Screw is literally a blockage of airflow and drag on the engine more than it is a boost to it. I think that is what pulls the motor rich. Then, the car tries to compensate and the load limit whacks in. Also, 63s that are broken in pull just fine. We had early on rumors and aspirations that the 63 was slower by a grip.
01-15-2008, 10:52 PM
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01-16-2008, 02:19 AM
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Any way great stuff on this board. I'm new here and it's barely been 2 weeks since i Picked up my 08 E63 and I got a lot of learning to do. I'm 27 years of age and I'd love for some one to explain the best way to start a race off the light, Do you just floor it ? Yeah, I'm a rookie.
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01-16-2008, 02:22 AM
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Guys, lets calm down and put this in perspective a bit. Stock vs Stock, both cars are within 0.1 to 0.2 from each other. That has been confirmed by AMGFEST06 and others. Here are some personal data, I've collected from going to the track events.......
At California Speedway, Famoso, and Sacramento, all the stock E55s and E63s that ran side by side scored almost identical numbers.....
At Fontana (same day runs for both cars):
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Best Stock E55 run: 12.9 @ 107 mph
Best Stock E63 run: 12.7 @ 112 mph
At Famoso (also same day runs)
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It was a 98 F, very humid, and high DA.
Best Stock E55 run (with filters): 13.1 @ 106 mph
Best Stock E63 run (stock filters): 12.9 @ 110 mph
and yes, the E55 had just replaced the IC pump a month prior to the event.
At Sacramento (same day runs for both cars):
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Best Stock E55 run: 12.25 @ 117 mph
Best Stock E63 run: 12.54 @ 114 mph
At Atco (same day runs for both cars):
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Best Stock E55 run: 11.9 @ 118 mph (with PS2 and wider tires)
Best Stock E63 run: 12.1 @ 117 mph
Now if you take averages of all runs in each event, the times become even closer and closer.
But again, once the E55 goes modified, the E55 kills the E63.
At California Speedway, Famoso, and Sacramento, all the stock E55s and E63s that ran side by side scored almost identical numbers.....
At Fontana (same day runs for both cars):
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Best Stock E55 run: 12.9 @ 107 mph
Best Stock E63 run: 12.7 @ 112 mph
At Famoso (also same day runs)
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It was a 98 F, very humid, and high DA.
Best Stock E55 run (with filters): 13.1 @ 106 mph
Best Stock E63 run (stock filters): 12.9 @ 110 mph
and yes, the E55 had just replaced the IC pump a month prior to the event.
At Sacramento (same day runs for both cars):
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Best Stock E55 run: 12.25 @ 117 mph
Best Stock E63 run: 12.54 @ 114 mph
At Atco (same day runs for both cars):
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Best Stock E55 run: 11.9 @ 118 mph (with PS2 and wider tires)
Best Stock E63 run: 12.1 @ 117 mph
Now if you take averages of all runs in each event, the times become even closer and closer.
But again, once the E55 goes modified, the E55 kills the E63.
Thanks for the Data MB!
Which car is faster in the 0-60 ?
06-17-2011, 04:17 PM
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just trying to bring an old thread alive 
any updates?? love the info and the argumentative/competitive post in there
i love my E63 and to each his own
PS: at the end of the day both cars are extremely nice, regardless of the power.
any updates?? love the info and the argumentative/competitive post in there
i love my E63 and to each his own
PS: at the end of the day both cars are extremely nice, regardless of the power.
06-17-2011, 05:03 PM
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Wow.... you revived a 3.5 year old thread.
To make long story short:
Stock vs Stock: in most cases, it's a driver's race; whoever launches better and shifts better will get the win.
Modded vs Modded: the E55 will DESTROY the E63 regardless of driver, weather conditions, or even car weight.
To make long story short:
Stock vs Stock: in most cases, it's a driver's race; whoever launches better and shifts better will get the win.
Modded vs Modded: the E55 will DESTROY the E63 regardless of driver, weather conditions, or even car weight.
06-17-2011, 05:22 PM
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Old thread indeed, but I'd like to see the "drag race" between Deaguero and OldGixxer.
06-17-2011, 05:36 PM
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hey i brought the tread back but dont bring the pissing contest back, even tho it was kinda funny how some miscomunication and some instigation from each other it lid a fire and how large it got lol
both members seem very respectful and well known but it got way out of line
but anyways let the battle beggin E63 is better
06-17-2011, 05:46 PM
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You guys do realize that Oldgixxer has been banned from here for a very long time now and Phil (Deaguero) has sold his E55 and got a C63 and even sold that and moved on also long time ago.
Oldgixxer hangs out in a different forum now. By the way, Oldgixxer has proved that there is one mod out there that is able to dip the E63 into the 11s.... I'll let you newbies figure that one out on your own though
Oldgixxer hangs out in a different forum now. By the way, Oldgixxer has proved that there is one mod out there that is able to dip the E63 into the 11s.... I'll let you newbies figure that one out on your own though
06-17-2011, 06:59 PM
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Pretty soon it'll all be obsolete. The 5.5TT is here. The E55 is an old story. The E63 is too.
We're talking about two 'old' cars that are getting kinda irrelevant now. The F10 M5 will be here in the US in early spring, too.
Everybody enjoy whichever version you have now. And plan on thinking what you might replace it with when the time comes.
btw, I know some of us might hold on to their E55/E63 as a car just to keep around as an additional toy or daily beater. After all, they'll be too cheap to even bother selling.....
We're talking about two 'old' cars that are getting kinda irrelevant now. The F10 M5 will be here in the US in early spring, too.
Everybody enjoy whichever version you have now. And plan on thinking what you might replace it with when the time comes.
btw, I know some of us might hold on to their E55/E63 as a car just to keep around as an additional toy or daily beater. After all, they'll be too cheap to even bother selling.....
