W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

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Old May 18, 2007 | 02:39 PM
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469 Versus 493 Horsepower

Sorry if this is an old thread but I am curious about something.

There is a ton of talk about "marketing" of the E/CLS having 469 HP and the SL/S/CL having 493 Horsepower.

So, does anyone know what the ranges/average (I think the 469 HP ones Dyno between 415-440 RWHP) of dyno results are for the 469 HP versus 493 HP cars?

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Old May 18, 2007 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MNM5ETR
Sorry if this is an old thread but I am curious about something.

There is a ton of talk about "marketing" of the E/CLS having 469 HP and the SL/S/CL having 493 Horsepower.

So, does anyone know what the ranges/average (I think the 469 HP ones Dyno between 415-440 RWHP) of dyno results are for the 469 HP versus 493 HP cars?

Thanks!

TK
Do a search, they're all the same. There's no real difference in horsepower, it's marketing.
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Old May 18, 2007 | 03:18 PM
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They should all dyno at about 420hp to the wheels. The '07SL55 should dyno about 450hp to the wheels, due to the 80mm TB. It is all pretty well documented.
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Old May 18, 2007 | 03:20 PM
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jang - didn't they tweak the s/c on the o7 sl55 too?
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Old May 18, 2007 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jangy
They should all dyno at about 420hp to the wheels. The '07SL55 should dyno about 450hp to the wheels, due to the 80mm TB. It is all pretty well documented.
If the 2003 to 2006 E/CLS/S/SL/CL engines are 493 to 500 hp to the crank, then they should be producing about 410 to the wheels (assuming 18% drivetrain loss). The 2007 should be around 420, right???

500 hp - ( 18% loss ) = 410 whp

510 hp - ( 18% loss ) = 420 whp

Of course, assuming 17% drivetrain loss, you get slightly different numbers:

500 hp - ( 19% loss ) = 415 whp

510 hp - ( 19% loss ) = 424 whp


Originally Posted by Dogshine
jang - didn't they tweak the s/c on the o7 sl55 too?
Yeah, the supercharger pulley spins faster on the 2007 SL55 engine.

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Old May 18, 2007 | 07:01 PM
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Yeah, the supercharger pulley spins faster on the 2007 SL55 engine.
Is the SC pulley smaller or is the crank shaft pulley larger?
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Old May 18, 2007 | 07:22 PM
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Is the SC pulley smaller or is the crank shaft pulley larger?
I don't believe they changed the size of either pully (not 100% sure on that ).

I think they increased speed through software by 2,000 rpm.
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Old May 18, 2007 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MB_Forever
I don't believe they changed the size of either pully (not 100% sure on that ).

I think they increased speed through software by 2,000 rpm.
Not sure I follow you there?You mean they upped the rpm limit or they are spinning the sc ratio faster?
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Old May 18, 2007 | 08:05 PM
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I don't believe they changed the size of either pully (not 100% sure on that ).

I think they increased speed through software by 2,000 rpm.
From what I understand MB has installed a more efficient supercharger.And they have also moddified the SW.

Originally Posted by Autoweek
It’s underneath where all the interesting stuff lurks. For starters, the SL55 AMG’s three-valve-per-cylinder engine is reworked to deliver an added 17 hp, taking peak power up to 510 hp at 6100 rpm. Torque, always an SL55 AMG strength, also increases, topping out at 531 lb-ft between 2600 and 4000 rpm. Not exactly lacking in firepower, then. Changes to the engine include a larger throttle valve on the inlet manifold for improved breathing, changes to the management system to alter the operation of the fuel-injection system to make it cylinder selective, and there is a new supercharger unit that is claimed to be more efficient at higher operating speeds. The engine is mated to Mercedes’ five-speed automatic.

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I'm not starting a spitting match, but the SC unit is the same. The part numbers are the same. That is all the proof you need. The TB is different, and of course the ECU tune would be different. But, the SC being more efficient? How on earth would you only expect 17hp from 80mm TB, ECU tune, AND a more efficient SC?
Either Autoweek is off, or MB slipped a white one. My contacts that told me about the TB months ago said NOTHING about a different SC unit. Why redesign a new unit if it is on the way out?
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Originally Posted by MB_Forever
If the 2003 to 2006 E/CLS/S/SL/CL engines are 493 to 500 hp to the crank, then they should be producing about 410 to the wheels (assuming 18% drivetrain loss). The 2007 should be around 420, right???

500 hp - ( 18% loss ) = 410 whp

510 hp - ( 18% loss ) = 420 whp
I guess I'm in the norm because I'm stock and dyno'ed at 416hp and 456 torque...

assuming 18% drivetrain loss...I'm lookin at 507hp and 556 torque (crank)...is that right?
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Old May 19, 2007 | 02:19 PM
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I'm having another dyno done next weekend to see my actual hp running on 20's...I'm sure the numbers will be lower...but do you expect it to be ALOT lower???
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Originally Posted by jangy
I'm not starting a spitting match, but the SC unit is the same. The part numbers are the same. That is all the proof you need. The TB is different, and of course the ECU tune would be different. But, the SC being more efficient? How on earth would you only expect 17hp from 80mm TB, ECU tune, AND a more efficient SC?
Either Autoweek is off, or MB slipped a white one. My contacts that told me about the TB months ago said NOTHING about a different SC unit. Why redesign a new unit if it is on the way out?
yep what you are saying makes 100% sense to me. Don't know why I did'nt look at it that way at first. The mods these guys claim should have put out more hp. Perhaps the HP inc is just from the throttle body and the ECU programming.Thanks for pointing that out Jangy.
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Originally Posted by jangy
I'm not starting a spitting match, but the SC unit is the same. The part numbers are the same. That is all the proof you need. The TB is different, and of course the ECU tune would be different. But, the SC being more efficient? How on earth would you only expect 17hp from 80mm TB, ECU tune, AND a more efficient SC?
Either Autoweek is off, or MB slipped a white one. My contacts that told me about the TB months ago said NOTHING about a different SC unit. Why redesign a new unit if it is on the way out?
The s/c is the same according to my dad's friend, who works as an engineer in the MB dealership in Hong Kong.
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Not sure I follow you there?You mean they upped the rpm limit or they are spinning the sc ratio faster?
This is a direct quote from the new SL55 brochure:

A legend since its debut, the celebrated SL 55 AMG features a new, higher-speed supercharger and a larger throttle valve, optimizing air intake and helping to unleash 510 horsepower and 531 lb-ft of torque.
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