Final Argument on E55 price in US! Promise!
10-11-2002, 09:33 PM
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I think we all agree at last. What I have said all along is pricing should be IMO 75K-85K and specifically guessed at 77K and provided justification of same. I do not take offence at be called an Aussie as New Zealanders do not offence at being referred to as Kiwi's.
I was annoyed at what turned from what should have been a rational debate turning into an illogical argument with participants arguing as to who was right or wrong, for which I take some responsibility.
I was annoyed at what turned from what should have been a rational debate turning into an illogical argument with participants arguing as to who was right or wrong, for which I take some responsibility.
10-11-2002, 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by stephens
Fast Eddy you spend you life on this board insulting MB owners. There isn't a member here of any reasonable time who you haven't insulted. You may be posting here for entertainment value, but most are here because we really have these cars and are looking to exchange information and ideas, not continually take cheap shots at each other.
I suspect if I did a search and copied each of your rude posts in one thread it would compare in size with the "word association" thread in the off topic section!
Fast Eddy you spend you life on this board insulting MB owners. There isn't a member here of any reasonable time who you haven't insulted. You may be posting here for entertainment value, but most are here because we really have these cars and are looking to exchange information and ideas, not continually take cheap shots at each other.
I suspect if I did a search and copied each of your rude posts in one thread it would compare in size with the "word association" thread in the off topic section!
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10-11-2002, 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by stephens
I think we all agree at last. What I have said all along is pricing should be IMO 75K-85K and specifically guessed at 77K and provided justification of same. I do not take offence at be called an Aussie as New Zealanders do not offence at being referred to as Kiwi's.
I was annoyed at what turned from what should have been a rational debate turning into an illogical argument with participants arguing as to who was right or wrong, for which I take some responsibility.
I think we all agree at last. What I have said all along is pricing should be IMO 75K-85K and specifically guessed at 77K and provided justification of same. I do not take offence at be called an Aussie as New Zealanders do not offence at being referred to as Kiwi's.
I was annoyed at what turned from what should have been a rational debate turning into an illogical argument with participants arguing as to who was right or wrong, for which I take some responsibility.
".....we all agree?" There you go again-----speak for yourself, mate/clown.
Looks like you are in full agreement with yourself and thats about it.
10-13-2002, 03:07 AM
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Like I said before there is nothing in you posts ever that would improve anything on my car.
Also do a search on your posts and try and find 3 out of the 250 that aren't smart *** remarks or put downs to other members.
I almost forgot, if I am a reason for you not posting, I should be nominated for an award for services to humanity.
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10-13-2002, 06:39 PM
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.........the new E55 will come with a 493HP supercharged V8. I think it is going to be considerably more expensive than the normally aspirated 345HP car it it is replacing. I don't think the 1.5% increase in price in other MB cars will apply here because of this unique circustance. The Audi RS6 is 0ver $80,000 and is in the same category as the new E55. The RS6 has 465HP and will ship only 800 to the US in 2003. MB has no pressure to price the E55 lower than the AUdi. Only possible reason is the BMW M5 which is around $70,000. But the M5 has a 350HP engine, same as the previous E55. A salesperson at RBM of Atlanta informed me that the new 493HP CL55 will be over $140,000 excluding dealer markup. I think this is about a $20,000 increase compared to the previous CL55 and represents an increase of more than 1.5%. I don't know about the projected price for the 493HP S55.
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10-13-2002, 06:53 PM
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................Just wanted to add that although I think that the price for the new E55 will be much higher than a 1.5% increase on the price of the previous E55, MB prices for the European market are usually higher than in the US. As a result it is unlikely that the price of the new E55 will be as high as it is currently in Europe. This explains why in the US, you have to sign a document after you buy a new MB that you will not export your car abroad within your first year of ownership. Apparently there is a potentially lucrative market in Europe for MB cars intially sold in the US market. This is because of the difference in price. In summary, I think the "1.5%" argumment is incorrect and so is the attempt to determine the US price for the E55 based on on the price in Europe or Australia.
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10-13-2002, 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by stephens
Why would you expect to see anything to help anything with your car in the E55 or performance section of this site?? I would have thought the Lego forum to be more appropriate for your Smart car.
Also do a search on your posts and try and find 3 out of the 250 that aren't smart *** remarks or put downs to other members.
I almost forgot, if I am a reason for you not posting, I should be nominated for an award for services to humanity.
Why would you expect to see anything to help anything with your car in the E55 or performance section of this site?? I would have thought the Lego forum to be more appropriate for your Smart car.
Also do a search on your posts and try and find 3 out of the 250 that aren't smart *** remarks or put downs to other members.
I almost forgot, if I am a reason for you not posting, I should be nominated for an award for services to humanity.
I dont drive Smart car since they are not sold in US -Smart car is a food for clowns like you, so that you have something to bite on in between posting some hot air here.
If you dont get the nomination that should be a sign to you that you are nothing but an unapriciated clown here.
10-14-2002, 12:30 PM
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It will not cost the same as adding a supercharger to the current E55
Originally posted by Ted Baldwin
.........the new E55 will come with a 493HP supercharged V8. I think it is going to be considerably more expensive than the normally aspirated 345HP car it it is replacing. I don't think the 1.5% increase in price in other MB cars will apply here because of this unique circustance. The Audi RS6 is 0ver $80,000 and is in the same category as the new E55. The RS6 has 465HP and will ship only 800 to the US in 2003. MB has no pressure to price the E55 lower than the AUdi. Only possible reason is the BMW M5 which is around $70,000. But the M5 has a 350HP engine, same as the previous E55. A salesperson at RBM of Atlanta informed me that the new 493HP CL55 will be over $140,000 excluding dealer markup. I think this is about a $20,000 increase compared to the previous CL55 and represents an increase of more than 1.5%. I don't know about the projected price for the 493HP S55.
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.........the new E55 will come with a 493HP supercharged V8. I think it is going to be considerably more expensive than the normally aspirated 345HP car it it is replacing. I don't think the 1.5% increase in price in other MB cars will apply here because of this unique circustance. The Audi RS6 is 0ver $80,000 and is in the same category as the new E55. The RS6 has 465HP and will ship only 800 to the US in 2003. MB has no pressure to price the E55 lower than the AUdi. Only possible reason is the BMW M5 which is around $70,000. But the M5 has a 350HP engine, same as the previous E55. A salesperson at RBM of Atlanta informed me that the new 493HP CL55 will be over $140,000 excluding dealer markup. I think this is about a $20,000 increase compared to the previous CL55 and represents an increase of more than 1.5%. I don't know about the projected price for the 493HP S55.
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I have also posted two reliable sources which say that the Audi RS6 will have a base price in the US of $65k, but everyone ignored that. The sources are Car & Driver and Motor Trend magazine and I doubt both made a tyopgraphical error.
Why would Mercedes raise prices 1.5% on all cars except the E55? That make no sense! The German E55, S55 and CL55 with supercharger did not go up that much. The German E55 is 75,500 ($74,114) euro & that is not a 15% or $10k or $15k increase.
A 'guess' from a Mercedes salesman means absolutely nothing because most of them are not Mercedes or Car Enthusiasts or even own a Benz and know little about the product they sell
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10-14-2002, 05:26 PM
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As a matter of interest, what were the old German prices on the S55 and CL55? I was under the impression that the E55 has had a significant price rise in Germany, perhaps the info I have is incorrect
As a matter of interest, what were the old German prices on the S55 and CL55? I was under the impression that the E55 has had a significant price rise in Germany, perhaps the info I have is incorrect
10-14-2002, 05:50 PM
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.................Actually, the E-55 will have the same supercharged 493HP engine as in the SL55. The E55 is not going to get a different engine. It may be detuned to prevent the E55 from being faster than the SL55. And BMW M5 for 2004 will have a 10 cylinder engine in order to compete with the E55 and the RS6. Expect the price for the M5 to go up as well. The 350HP i mentioned for the 2002 M5 was simply a typo. As for the price of the RS6.............It is going to be $80,000 HERE IS THE LINK
HERE IS ANOTHER LINK FOR RS6 PRICING
.............but I don't expect you to end your crusade. I think you must be engaged in a top secret attempt to get MB to sell the new E55 less than it would cost to buy an RS6 or the new 10 cylinder BMW M5. If you succeed, lets us know.
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HERE IS ANOTHER LINK FOR RS6 PRICING
.............but I don't expect you to end your crusade. I think you must be engaged in a top secret attempt to get MB to sell the new E55 less than it would cost to buy an RS6 or the new 10 cylinder BMW M5. If you succeed, lets us know.
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10-14-2002, 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by Ted Baldwin
[B A salesperson at RBM of Atlanta informed me that the new 493HP CL55 will be over $140,000 excluding dealer markup. I think this is about a $20,000 increase compared to the previous CL55 and represents an increase of more than 1.5%. I don't know about the projected price for the 493HP S55.
Ted [/B]
[B A salesperson at RBM of Atlanta informed me that the new 493HP CL55 will be over $140,000 excluding dealer markup. I think this is about a $20,000 increase compared to the previous CL55 and represents an increase of more than 1.5%. I don't know about the projected price for the 493HP S55.
Ted [/B]
2003 German base prices in euro(usd):
E55 75,500 ($74,114)
S55 103,000 ($101,681)
SL55 107,100 ($105,629)
CL55 110,000 ($108,591)
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10-14-2002, 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by Ted Baldwin
.................Actually, the E-55 will have the same supercharged 493HP engine as in the SL55. The E55 is not going to get a different engine. It may be detuned to prevent the E55 from being faster than the SL55
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.................Actually, the E-55 will have the same supercharged 493HP engine as in the SL55. The E55 is not going to get a different engine. It may be detuned to prevent the E55 from being faster than the SL55
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My E55 owners manual list 355 however, all the other printed documents says 349 and that would be very hard to argue with.
10-23-2002, 09:36 PM
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So...
New S55 is $6k more expensive than last year.
Still believe w211 E55 will be same price as the w210 e55?
I'm guessing around ~78k-ish
Good bargain tho if it does come in under $80k. Anything over $80k and it would've been a joke.
New S55 is $6k more expensive than last year.
Still believe w211 E55 will be same price as the w210 e55?
I'm guessing around ~78k-ish
Good bargain tho if it does come in under $80k. Anything over $80k and it would've been a joke.
10-24-2002, 02:03 AM
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JL88- I agree, if it is over 80k it's kinda a joke!
As far as Fast Eddy goes, well he is a dumbass! If you just ignore what he says he will eventually stop. Afterall he is in it for the attention and reactions, correct? So what I have done is just ignored him. I admit though hard to do!!
Later Guys,
AmgBoy
As far as Fast Eddy goes, well he is a dumbass! If you just ignore what he says he will eventually stop. Afterall he is in it for the attention and reactions, correct? So what I have done is just ignored him. I admit though hard to do!!
Later Guys,
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10-25-2002, 04:28 PM
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Posted on the W211 board. Article from www.thecarconnection.com about the new E55. Authors estimated base price "$72,500".
http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...icle=5437&pf=1
http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...icle=5437&pf=1
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10-25-2002, 05:03 PM
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KEV, you just cannot help yourself re this price issue, but the bottom line is that Stephens in correct - you are dreaming....
Wait and see
Wait and see
10-28-2002, 08:58 AM
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WE HAVE ANOTHER AUSSIE PRICE HATER!!!!
Originally posted by MDS 55
KEV, you just cannot help yourself re this price issue, but the bottom line is that Stephens in correct - you are dreaming....
Wait and see
KEV, you just cannot help yourself re this price issue, but the bottom line is that Stephens in correct - you are dreaming....
Wait and see
The only people "dreaming" about E55's in the mid $70's are Aussies because you blokes pay thru the *** - $121,500 for a car we pay $72,500 for. No wonder you guys are mad! He-He!
Mercedes pricing is not set by Mercedes Germany they are set by the company that imports the cars and in the US it is MBUSA. The Aussie prices are set by Aussies. So blame the greedy Aussie Mercedes importer not E55KEV or Americans.
DON'T SHOT THE MESSANGER!
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10-28-2002, 01:11 PM
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Only 800-1200 per calendar year will come our way during the car’s projected four-year lifespan, at a pricing starting in the neighborhood of about $72,500 to $75,000
10-28-2002, 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by stephens
Nice try Kev. The author is obviously guessing. How do you quote authoratively a price of $72,500 from the above quote??????????
Nice try Kev. The author is obviously guessing. How do you quote authoratively a price of $72,500 from the above quote??????????
Maybe his guess of 800-1200 cars is incorrect also and the US will get 799 - 1201 units.
Maybe his guess of 4037 pounds is incorrect and the car weighs 4036 pounds.
Maybe his guess of 469Hp is incorrect and the car has 468HP.
10-28-2002, 02:40 PM
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The point is he guessed a range of prices, specifically $72500 to $75000.
Not only that you infer from your post that this person has written with some form of authority, when he clearly indicates he is guessing. The other info privided are standard specs available for some time now frm MB as you are well aware. Wa there a point to this?
The point is he guessed a range of prices, specifically $72500 to $75000.
Hey MDS 55, did you read the above article saying the car would be $72,500? I guess not. Next time read before you open your keyboard. So were is that 15% increase in the US!
10-28-2002, 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by stephens
Kev
The point is he guessed a range of prices, specifically $72500 to $75000.
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The point is he guessed a range of prices, specifically $72500 to $75000.
10-28-2002, 03:13 PM
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Since this is all guess work, here are my thoughts. For the US, I think it is best to look at the outgoing model price of each AMG car and compare that to what we know of the new model kompressor AMG cars. First, we cannot gain any insight from the SL55 AMG because no previous SL AMG version was offered here in the states. Second, the new CL55 AMG base price is $114,600 a increase of approx. 10% over the outgoing CL55 AMG. Next, the new S55 AMG base price is $106,500, a increase of approx. 6% over the outgoing S55. Also, I do not have the exact figures but if I recall correctly E55 KEV did the coparison between the outgoing C43 AMG and the new C32 AMG and the base price increase was marginal at best.
It seems MBUSA is increasing the base price of the AMG models along the model line. The higher up the model line (CL55 10% , S55 6% increse ) the greater the percentage increse, while the lower down the model line (C32 increse over C43 very little if any) the lower the percentage of increase. If this holds true(just taking a guess) I think we will see about a 3-5% increase on the new E55 here in the US.
I am in E55 KEV'S camp here, I think the new base price of the E55 will come in around $74,000-$75,000. If it does I am definetely going to get one, putting my deposit down this week.
It seems MBUSA is increasing the base price of the AMG models along the model line. The higher up the model line (CL55 10% , S55 6% increse ) the greater the percentage increse, while the lower down the model line (C32 increse over C43 very little if any) the lower the percentage of increase. If this holds true(just taking a guess) I think we will see about a 3-5% increase on the new E55 here in the US.
I am in E55 KEV'S camp here, I think the new base price of the E55 will come in around $74,000-$75,000. If it does I am definetely going to get one, putting my deposit down this week.
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10-28-2002, 04:06 PM
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Here is how the price from The Car Connection article will break down:
Originally posted by E55 KEV
If this Auto Journalist is correct, here is how I see it:
The US E55 without COMAND $72,500 - this is an increase of 1.6% from $71,350.
The US E55 with COMAND $75,000 - DVD Comand option is about $2450.
$72,500 + $2450 + $74,950 ($75,000). That journalist you (Stephens and jl88) dissed seems to be making a lot of sense now?
If this Auto Journalist is correct, here is how I see it:
The US E55 without COMAND $72,500 - this is an increase of 1.6% from $71,350.
The US E55 with COMAND $75,000 - DVD Comand option is about $2450.
$72,500 + $2450 + $74,950 ($75,000). That journalist you (Stephens and jl88) dissed seems to be making a lot of sense now?
