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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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Did a dyno on my stock '04 E55 w/ 38K. Results are posted below. I think the numbers are pretty good for stock. I was curious if the Air/Fuel is good and if adding an ASP pully alone was safe.

Once the pully is on, I will let the ECU adopt and will do another Dyno for review.

Also, first pull was good. The rest of the pulls the car down shifted at WOT . Pulls were made in Dyno Mode in M4. Any tips for the pulls?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 06:11 PM
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That can't be right with 445 rwhp (stock) when the factory rated at 469 at the crank. Just only 5% lost throught drivetrain?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
That can't be right with 445 rwhp (stock) when the factory rated at 469 at the crank. Just only 5% lost throught drivetrain?
it say 427 max HP and 449 tq
my car was only 401hp but there were other members here sayin they had 420 in the Hp?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ROCKETW19
it say 427 max HP and 449 tq
my car was only 401hp but there were other members here sayin they had 420 in the Hp?
We go neck and neck I had 410 stock...

Very nice numbers for a stock car, healthy!!!
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 06:32 PM
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Air/Fuel is kind a rich no ?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MIG-E55Rocket
We go neck and neck I had 410 stock...

Very nice numbers for a stock car, healthy!!!
if you started out at 410 what did you get after ASP pully? i wonder if you guys with higher stock numbers get the same gains? my renn pully and ecu got me 41 or 47 extra HP i think it was 47hp.

if this guy started out at 427 and added 47 more hp he would have 474hp that is crazy thats close to stage 5.

i was also told by a trust worthy guy that a dyno operator can make you think you have more power than you do. he claims he can make my car have 50hp more just by messing with the dyno. i have no clue if this is true or what just passing along what i was told.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 06:50 PM
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is that SAE or STD?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 06:52 PM
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Who did your dyno? Did you get it done in So. Nevada?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Fikse
is that SAE or STD?
The correction displayed is STD, that means the car made about 391.83 uncorrected. Which considering the barometric pressure is quite good imho.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ROCKETW19
if you started out at 410 what did you get after ASP pully? i wonder if you guys with higher stock numbers get the same gains? my renn pully and ecu got me 41 or 47 extra HP i think it was 47hp.

if this guy started out at 427 and added 47 more hp he would have 474hp that is crazy thats close to stage 5.

i was also told by a trust worthy guy that a dyno operator can make you think you have more power than you do. he claims he can make my car have 50hp more just by messing with the dyno. i have no clue if this is true or what just passing along what i was told.
With the pulley I actually lost power it is all due to the amount of heat produced by spinning the supercharger faster and not having a good pump, at that point had a bad pump and all I got was 426 to the wheel, I was not happy but spoke to a few technical people and they said until I get cooling modifications I will not see anything above that number. After that i added headers and Cams, this saturday I am adding a meth kit, can't wait to see the results.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SaMaS
Air/Fuel is kind a rich no ?
Aren't they all stock? At least what I heard... that's why some people think that a pulley would be ok without ECU tune.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 07:56 PM
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Who did your dyno? Did you get it done in So. Nevada?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 08:06 PM
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That is one thing that I am concerned with: Heat due to Pulley with ECU or no ECU, which may result in actually degradation of performance. Does anyone have similar experience with this? By the way, my IC pump was replaced last month.

Originally Posted by MIG-E55Rocket
With the pulley I actually lost power it is all due to the amount of heat produced by spinning the supercharger faster and not having a good pump, at that point had a bad pump and all I got was 426 to the wheel, I was not happy but spoke to a few technical people and they said until I get cooling modifications I will not see anything above that number. After that i added headers and Cams, this saturday I am adding a meth kit, can't wait to see the results.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 08:16 PM
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The graph looks good to me. Strong car.

Next time, have them display HP vs RPM instead of MPH.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 08:22 PM
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The graph looks good to me. Strong car.

Next time, have them display HP vs RPM instead of MPH.
Yeah... didn't catch that till later... weird that they would do that.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ROCKETW19
it say 427 max HP and 449 tq
my car was only 401hp but there were other members here sayin they had 420 in the Hp?

You're right, I look at the chart line instead of the numbers.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by phatmitzu
The graph looks good to me. Strong car.

Next time, have them display HP vs RPM instead of MPH.

What is the bottom scale? When I've run on a dyno the wheel speed is close to 200mph. Was the pull done in 4th gear?

Am I missing something here?
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Originally Posted by DirtyVegasMB
That is one thing that I am concerned with: Heat due to Pulley with ECU or no ECU, which may result in actually degradation of performance. Does anyone have similar experience with this? By the way, my IC pump was replaced last month.
Just get an extra Heat exchanger and you will be fine. I have no ECu tune as of now, I am waiting until the end to do it, I am just missing an 80MM throtle body for the masterpiece to be finished and a big intercooler.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 09:14 PM
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No... you're not missing anything. Those mph numbers don't mean anything (I think), since at the end of the pull I could have sworn the needle was almost at 160

I wonder if I can have them replot that run on the RPM range with their comp... not sure if that's doable after a run though...

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What is the bottom scale? When I've run on a dyno the wheel speed is close to 200mph. Was the pull done in 4th gear?

Am I missing something here?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MIG-E55Rocket
Just get an extra Heat exchanger and you will be fine. I have no ECu tune as of now, I am waiting until the end to do it, I am just missing an 80MM throtle body for the masterpiece to be finished and a big intercooler.
Did you get a complete kit (Evo)?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyVegasMB
No... you're not missing anything. Those mph numbers don't mean anything (I think), since at the end of the pull I could have sworn the needle was almost at 160

I wonder if I can have them replot that run on the RPM range with their comp... not sure if that's doable after a run though...
Yeah, it can be replotted with just about any thing that was measured from the car.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 09:30 PM
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Damn... so many rocket

RocketW19, did Adam do pre/post dyno?

I plan to do it.... I'm curious to know whether my car is healthy and what kind of gains from pulley alone.

DIRTYVEGAS:
As for the heat, that's what I'd expect also.... bigger crank pulley = bigger boost on S/C = more work = more heat.... Not sure how effective the stock is given it fails after couple bursts

For those who use Johnson pump, is it better over stock?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 09:57 PM
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Anyone know where I can dyno my car in the SF bay area, Walnut Creek/Concord area?
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My main concern with your graph would be how AFR drops off up top. Below 10:1 is exceedingly rich, and judging from the way the graph is headed makes me think that you possibly didn't have enough adequate airflow (which is no surprise as most dyno facilities can't produce the airflow).

Also keep in mind that dynojets are generally not loaded, meaning that the load would not be an accurate indication of what your car is doing on the street.

Nice graph though, I think I'm going to strap my car down in the next few days see what it does on a loaded dyno.

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Old Jun 6, 2007 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ghh429
My main concern with your graph would be how AFR drops off up top. Below 10:1 is exceedingly rich, and judging from the way the graph is headed makes me think that you possibly didn't have enough adequate airflow (which is no surprise as most dyno facilities can't produce the airflow).

Also keep in mind that dynojets are generally not loaded, meaning that the load would not be an accurate indication of what your car is doing on the street.

Nice graph though, I think I'm going to strap my car down in the next few days see what it does on a loaded dyno.

Most bone stock dyno graphs I have seen show the same plummeting AFR's, including mine.

I have asked this question before, but received no answer - What is the proper gear to use for a dyno run in a bone stock E55? All of my runs were in 3rd because I had read that doing a pull in 4th (the ideal 1:1 gear) will not allow the car to pull to redline because of the speed limiter.

Assuming that it is possible to run in 4th, is my 419 rwhp and 455 rwtq (measured in 3rd gear) less than what it would have shown had I run the car in 4th?

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