Cylinder Head

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From their website:

They warranty THEIR PARTS when fitted correctly, not your engine, or your transmission.

Rudyrono

We just went through this with our pickup. It's a 2003 Ford F-250 super duty with the dreaded 6.0L diesel engine. We put the Banks six gun system on and within 1 year the turbo went out. (2nd time-once pre-Banks) The dealership fixed it under warranty but not without a fight. A year later, the turbo went out again. Again, they replaced it but it was a heck of a fight. We argued that the turbo went out before we installed the Banks system so obviously it's a flaw in the design. (Well documented with this engine) Well, right on schedule, the turbo went out again within a year. This time, Ford said, "Shove it!" So $2,800 later we have it back, sans the Banks system. Banks would not stand behind us. They cite the Magnus-Moss act but if you do your research you'll see that it primarily applies to aftermarket items such as fluids and other maintenance stuff. The moral of the story...if you mod your vehicle, you're on your own. Take the good with the bad.

Taximan1

Here is one.

They can't repair your engine for less than $16,000??

The dealer can tell you "buy a used engine" all they want... There just isn't an abundance of these around. Good luck with whatever you decide..


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCE...spagenameZWD1V

ROCKETW19

wow that sucks! id still make them prove the K parts caused the problem!

hwood

I have a wrecked 04 E55 with complete drivetrain with 20k miles I would be interested in selling. I was going to put the shell and drivetrain on ebay but would be willing to part out. These drive trains pop out rather easy, a good indie shop should be able to do a swap within a day.

Rafal

It might have run too lean, too much advance on low octane fuel and detonated. The ECU caused it for sure, as the tuners would have narrowed all the safety margins to get the maximum performance out of it.
It really is a very strong engine or it would have done the big end bearing as well and thrown a broken conrod through the engine block.
I have seen this happen, and it ain't pretty!
Sorry about you loss, man, it won't be cheap to fix!

Fikse

what would happen if you bought a CPO E55 from a Mercedes dealer that had a pulley/ecu already installed and the motor blew?

CynCarvin32

I hate to say it but tuners say the weak point in the motor is the piston. I know of a couple cars that have cracked the pistons due to modifications. Oddly this is the third K2 car to go ka-boom in the last 6 months.

To bust the whole motor like that it was either really abused or it was completely out of tune.

For some reason I have a sneaking suspicion that Kleemann has some really poorly tuned ecu's running around as all 3 seem to be motors damaged by really bad detonation. One one car kleemann told the owner that the knocking sound (detonation) was just the cat rattling around under load. Well couple months later that motor had a cracked piston caused by really bad detonation. The heads on that car were also shot. Seals were toast and the heads needed machining.

Have your shop look more closely at this issue. Do a compression test on all 8 cyl. and have the head inspected. Re-building the head and replacing the one bad piston could be a whole lot less expensive than re-building the whole car. It would be really odd if all 8 pistons were bad. Piston 5 is normally the first rod to crack.

In a couple cases people suspected a bent rod on some motor (due to really low compression in one cyl) but both motors had cracked pistons -- cracked between the two piston rings. This crack caused the low compression and not a bent rod.

Modded cars are amazingly fast when tuned well but sometimes things go wrong. This looks like a 30k+ repair bill!

Was this issue maily AFTER the recall? This could be the issue.

CynCarvin32

If you could prove the car was modded at the point of the CPO being issued, the issuing dealership would have to warranty the car and repair the motor. The warranty openly states no mods are allowed on a CPO car.

I just cant see a dealership putting such info in writing as it would almost for sure cost them a whole lot of money if the factory ever found out. In that case its not MB's fault. The buck would stop at the shop who inspected and certified the car.

FlyByNight

Eurosport

what's the previous owner's take on this?

regor60

Whatever he sold it for plus avoided repairs....

stevebez

Sounds like this car was dodgy from when u bought it ... but anyway ... bygones as I guess the guy who sold it is claiming "too bad".

Looking on the bright side ... you have a decent opportunity here - assuming you want to do this - of getting stuck into that motor ripping it up and rebuilding it a-la finny and make a real monster... there is one caveat on this and that is you need to ensure the heads, block and crank is OK. If they are fine: Happy Days!! and off to tool town you go... more than this and the bill climbs pretty quickly ...

I would still like to know exactly what wrong with the car... as a disentigrated fuel pump does not cut it for me ... is there no secondary filter btwn the pump and the injectors? If parts of the pump got into the motor (would injectors not clog up first?) the sleves are going to be toast. Also I can't see how they can say rods are bent without opening here up completely. Cracked pistons fine any scope can show you that but rods ???

You probably need to get it running agn to get a decent value out of it and since you going to be ripping the motor up may as well go to town I say if you gonna keep her.

x-tian-230k

I dont think MB can CPO a car without returning it to stock form.....

MARK CUMMINS

Check out this thread..seller has a few up for sale

http://www.mymbonline.com/forum/view...?p=71101#71101

TECHNICIAN

The car would not be covered under CPO.

996ttr

HMMM,

I cannot seem to connect to that link.

996ttr

Hi Steve,

The car did not have any issues with the fuel pump. The pulled the pistons and there are five that are bad. It looks like the rods are fine.

996ttr

Yes, my dealer has had a few other cars with piston damage. The car has been there on and off since I picked it up. It blew a large puff of smoke the first morning I started it. I had this happen to my 996 turbo occasionally so I called the previous owner. He said that he had this happening too so I assumed it was just normal. The other thing that they found was the air filter was soaked with oil.

CynCarvin32

Its not abnormal for a 55k to smoke a bit on start up and its most common on say a warm start when you have let warm oil sit in the engine for about an hours time. Some cars do it once in a while but my E55 does not. I had an old S55 that did that now and then but it lasted just fine for 49k miles until I sold the car.

Good luck with the car. I dont know what I would do if that were my car. There are a lot of options but none seem that great.

Does your insurance cover motor damage? Maybe a claim on your insurance would be better as they would just pay for an entire new MB crate motor instead of a re-build job that could go wrong down the road.