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Old 07-18-2007, 11:48 AM
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E55 to CLS63

Hey guys,

I just posted this on the CLS board, but I also wanted to post here to get all of the e55 guys opinions.

I have not been on the boards for a very long time, but I still think that this community is the best of all car enthusiast forums. I had a 2003 e55, and it was a beautiful beast. I had the Evosport package 2, it it rocked! I loved that monster, but due to my profession and career I had to move to Shanghai and Taipei and I sold my e55 2 years ago. I have been through many cars, many many project cars with massive hp n tq numbers but seriously, no car has had my pulse pumping like the e55.

I would like to make it clear that I am not BSing....and I am not a troll....I've posted pics on here many years ago too...

Cylinder Head can confirm. He is actually my best friend and I must say he is a lil way too knowledgable about cars, all cars....haha...

Anyway, I am moving back to NJ/NY area to start a couple new business projects, and I placed an order for a white 2008 CLS63 with black interior, optioned out and 030 package. I think its somewhere around 109,000 USD.

So, coming from a modded e55, will I enjoy the CLS63? I go with the moto "friends don't let friend drive stock" and when I get the new car I will mod the hell out of it. BUT, there is a big but, the 63 is NA and I have done countless hours of research and the only mods I have found are ECU and headers, charcoal filter removal, and I can take out the resonators.

Even after I do all that, it will still be less power than my previous e55.

Anything else I am able to do?

Are there any carbon fiber airboxes out yet? Or even carbon fiber engine covers?

Thanks for taking the time to read this thread and I am looking forward to reading all of your opinions. And please tell me what you guys think!

Am I making the right move?

Thanks again!
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Unfortunately you are correct: no mods are currently out except for ECU, Headers, and charcoal filter removal. However, I heard that by the end of the year, there will be better packages that may include Air Boxes, Cams, and Exhaust to give a total of maybe 600 hp.

As to whether it will be faster than your previous stage 2 E55, that will be always be subjective. But in my opinion, I think the modded E55 will still be faster because your E55 was supercharged, had more horsepower, and infinitely more torque. But then again, you probably lost traction like crazy. So the only way you'll be able to compare more accurately is if you run 1/4 mile numbers after fully modding the 63 and compare it to the 1/4 mile numbers of your E55 (I'm assuming you ran 1/4 mile with your previous E55 of course).

600 hp is generally pushing the limits of the 7-G transmision in the 63 engines and so even if the tuners can squeeze more power, they'll have to beef-up the transmission first. But the good news is, these mods should satisfy you just long enough until the new Twin Turbo 63 models hit the market in 3-4 years....

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I've had a few 55k's and the first thing you will notice a lack of is torque.The 55 had 500ft/lbs available at a ridiculously low rpm,the 63 needs to be revved to get into the upper rpm range where the 4 valve heads can breathe&make some HP.
In plain terms,the 63 will feel a bit slower around town due to less torque.The 63's exhaust sounds 10x meaner then the 55.The 7sp tranny is **** compared to the 5sp.
Before you make a final decision you can ride up w skyler&take my 63 for a spin if you want.Just come in the Supra so I can take a spin in that in exchange
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Yes, I heard about the twin turbo 63! Thats insane. I hope it does come out sooner than later.

Well with 600 hp, which is roughly the kind of power I am looking for, but im very worried that 7g transmission will be working way too hard, and im not sure if that's a chance i wnat to take.


Oldgixxer,

Haha...sounds good, ill run that over with Sky.

thanks....
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The 63's don't have a lot of upside potential in terms of minor mods. Here is what RENNtech offers.

....& imho, $8,490 for 48 extra ponnies is way too much money.




CLS63 AMG
507 hp @ 6800 rpm; 465 lb-ft @ 5200 rpm


RENNtech ECU upgrade
** $3495
part No. 54_219_00_xx
HP gain 33 hp TOTAL HP 540 @ 6800 rpm
TQ gain 30 lb-ft TOTAL TQ 495 @ 5200 rpm



Stainless steel headers $4995
part No. xx_219_00_xx
HP gain 15 hp TOTAL HP 522 @ 6800 rpm
TQ gain 15 lb-ft TOTAL TQ 480 @ 5200 rpm





Cylinder Head can confirm. He is actually my best friend and I must say he is a lil way too knowledgable about cars, all cars....haha...


Wow, so sorry to hear that.

j/k

CH is a cool cat.





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yes, i have seen those ridiculous prices for 48 hp....
the renntech headers seem ok though, but still pricey.

i have seen the kleemann headers too, those log style mainfolds don't do it for me either. it looks stock and i dont see how it will make more than 15-20 hp.


haha....yea i feel bad for myself! I'll trade u best freinds!
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btw...that carbon fiber front lip looks so hot!
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btw...that carbon fiber front lip looks so hot!

Thanks!
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I've had a few 55k's and the first thing you will notice a lack of is torque.The 55 had 500ft/lbs available at a ridiculously low rpm,the 63 needs to be revved to get into the upper rpm range where the 4 valve heads can breathe&make some HP.
In plain terms,the 63 will feel a bit slower around town due to less torque.The 63's exhaust sounds 10x meaner then the 55.The 7sp tranny is **** compared to the 5sp.
Before you make a final decision you can ride up w skyler&take my 63 for a spin if you want.Just come in the Supra so I can take a spin in that in exchange
As soon as my fuel pumps come out of their coma we shall return!! I wonder if those tire marks are still fresh on the concrete in that parking lot.

PM me with your number again bro I got an iphone and T-mobile erased all of my numbers out of spite.
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Originally Posted by Sunny55
Hey guys,

I just posted this on the CLS board, but I also wanted to post here to get all of the e55 guys opinions.

I have not been on the boards for a very long time, but I still think that this community is the best of all car enthusiast forums. I had a 2003 e55, and it was a beautiful beast. I had the Evosport package 2, it it rocked! I loved that monster, but due to my profession and career I had to move to Shanghai and Taipei and I sold my e55 2 years ago. I have been through many cars, many many project cars with massive hp n tq numbers but seriously, no car has had my pulse pumping like the e55.

I would like to make it clear that I am not BSing....and I am not a troll....I've posted pics on here many years ago too...

Cylinder Head can confirm. He is actually my best friend and I must say he is a lil way too knowledgable about cars, all cars....haha...

Anyway, I am moving back to NJ/NY area to start a couple new business projects, and I placed an order for a white 2008 CLS63 with black interior, optioned out and 030 package. I think its somewhere around 109,000 USD.

So, coming from a modded e55, will I enjoy the CLS63? I go with the moto "friends don't let friend drive stock" and when I get the new car I will mod the hell out of it. BUT, there is a big but, the 63 is NA and I have done countless hours of research and the only mods I have found are ECU and headers, charcoal filter removal, and I can take out the resonators.

Even after I do all that, it will still be less power than my previous e55.

Anything else I am able to do?

Are there any carbon fiber airboxes out yet? Or even carbon fiber engine covers?

Thanks for taking the time to read this thread and I am looking forward to reading all of your opinions. And please tell me what you guys think!

Am I making the right move?

Thanks again!
You forgot the best and cheapest mod... SPRINT BOOSTER.

it will not gain any power, but it will help you get to your higher RPMS quicker.

remember, its not how much power you have, but how fast you can get to it.

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