E63ory

ever since some dude in a 335i beat me from a stand still, i realized that I just don't have a clue regarding how to launch this car. My previous one, an Audi S4, was pretty simple as it was AWD and 6M. But this car is a totally different thing all together. I never took a driving course, which I will one of these days, and don't consider myself an expert driver. Any advice?

juicee63

335 is difficult to beat from a dig, you should pass him by 165 feet or so.

Here is how to pop out on the awd cars.

1.Put your car in d/s
2.go to gear selection screen and make sure it reads 1
3.The car will spin tires at 1800-2000 rpm.
4. hold the car steady by touching the brake pedal with left foot
5. depress the accelerator to where you can feel the car pulling forward (inching)
6.Coming off the line simply feather the pedal down (roll out) release left foot
7. after you have traction , go full throttle

ESP will interfere with hp and torque even when off so a true race against a super car should be done in DYNO mode to take away the electronic interference to power.

Do not be embarrased by getting beat off the line by a 335 or an s4 or a 997 or a jeep. Any car with all 4 wheels spinning has a huge advantage off the line.
You will catch 3/4 of the cars that jump out on you in the above scenario.

E63 is tricky because leaving off idle is just as effective. From a psychological standpoint power braking seems to getr the right foot prepped for what is about to happen.

Everytime you stop at a light practice leaving sometimes simply going 50% gets you off the line quicker than the hammer down. Every car is a bit different as is traction, temp, etc. Traction is where you lost to the 335, it has contact and torque delivered to 4 wheels while your E is could be delivering power to ONE wheel. If your car senses a wheel spinning it sends power to the opposite wheel(fish tail). You must maintain a wide and equal power contact path, then go WOT.

Good Luck

oldgixxer

335i is rear wheel drive juicee....

juicee63

there is an AWD version , this is the one that can jump you off the line

http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/3/335xisedan/default



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Lot of em are slightly modded as well and running low 13's

oldgixxer

Yes,the "i" is rwd,the "xi" is awd,I just wasn't sure if you knew that or not.....We owned a '02 330xi and loved it.
Vishnu Tuning does a cheap ECU mod that adds 75hp&really wakes that car up

MidniteBluBenz

are you for serious/

335's will be lucky to run 5.0 0 - 60 on the street. 500HP and auto should slap 335's xi or i easily. Just stomp and go. 335 is a low 13 second car @ 105. One more reason why E55 > E63 imo.

sack5000

The 335ix is at least 700lbs lighter than 63 or it would get pounded, same reason why the Z06 smokes the 63. If the Vette was filled with a thousand pounds of coins and a fat driver it would have trouble with either car. The E55> E63 has been debated here with sound arguments and most will admit 55 is only slightly quicker.

juicee63

I have raced both the E55 and the tuned version of the 335xi, the awd allows the BMW to get out very well and it will stay ahead for near 1/8th mile. I usually jump out on the 55. I have seen the 335xi run 12.68@107 which was a tad slower ET as my car and 6 mph less trap. I did pass the car but it was difficult making up the.15 difference in 60 ft times. The tuned 335xi is very capable and not to be underestimated. My car destroyed the M5 by a wide margin the same day the 335 hung with me so does that mean 335xi>M5? The 335 was very very steady running 12.7-13.3 all day not bad for a 50k ride

MiamiAMG

Interesting. I would have thought that the 030 package w/AMG LSD would be more than enough for a great launch.

ESIX3POWER

I have always followed this formula for Launching my E63.. Saturday night, I was on Hyland Blvd in Staten Island N.Y and while waiting at a red light a brand new black C63 pulled along side me.. I quickly turned off my ESP and the Air conditioner (It was HUMID as hell out) I had my left foot on the brake and right foot on the pedal at about 1000 RPM (I felt the car inch up ever so slightly) The light turned green, I quickly let go of the brake and rolled out, I felt I had good traction and stomped it.. I was only ahead by the hood of my car, his front wheel was beside my front door. We came to the next light and traffic prevented another run.. Should it have been this close ? the C63 Exhaust sounds INSANE!!! What a SCREAMER.. Not sure if it sounds better then the E63.. Then again I would have to hear my car from the outside instead of while driving in it..

hkpooh

man i tried that, and it still spins.....
i even waited at around 3k rpm rolling (slowly reaching 3krpm) before I stomped it, it still spins....not sure if it is because of the conti but have a good launch is so damn hard.

Fr33kn63

I have had my e63 for about a year and a half and with the stock tires always had that problem of tires spinning and not getting good traction...
This was recently solved putting 4 Toyo Proxes R888's on my car and now I appear to hookup about 300% better then before.

hkpooh

wow, i was planning to burn the conti and put Mich PS on it, how is that compare to tractionwise?

MB_Forever

Launching the 63 models is very tricky because if you try to just slam it from a dead stop you still lose a little bit of time while if you power brake to a high rpm, you end up losing traction or ESP interfering, which also messes up your time.

After a lot of trial and error, I've found that the best way to launch the 63 is to hold rpm between 1600 and 1800 rpms, then when the light turns green, you should roll into the gas pedal making sure your foot moves in an accelerated motion from slow to very fast. Don't try to hammer it after the power brake because you will lose traction. Your launch will mostly depend on how good you can control that rolling motion onto the gas pedal. Again, they key is going from slow to fast in an accelerated motion. You'll have to feel your car and learn it's sweet spot.

In the end, there is really no magic trick to launching this car, as is the case with almost any type of car, it just takes practice; a LOT of practice. When I first tried my car down the 1/4 mile track, I was averaging 13.2 seconds. But after 6 months going to the track with Juicee, I average 12.5 seconds with fastest run of 12.24. Weather conditions had a lot to do with it, but so did launch technique.

Join us at Fontana on the 13th, it'll be a very good place to practice and perfect launches....

Fast55

Ditch the Continentals or at least drop the pressure to something around 25 psi. That's about all you can do with those tires.

oldgixxer

heres a few tips for encountering an impromtu stoplight-dragrace.Remember,you will not have the benefit of warming/cleaning your tires by doing a burnout so:
-put the car in airmatic comfort setting
-raise the car manually with the buton
-keep your ESP on
-make sure the trans is in "S" and physically put the car into 1st gear via paddle or shift lever
-mash the gas&let the ESP work it's magic

No need in dropping tire psi on the street as it has a dramatic effect on handling&no benefit for hooking up any harder

Zod

This does not work all the time. you can get some nice launches like this, but you can also get some horrible ESP cutting for a good 1-3 sec

My advice is practice on what was said here, but know this, TIRES is where the best solution lies!

Fr33kn63

The Toyo R888's are a great solution. Know the treat life will only last about half as long as the Conti's.

Dogshine

if E63ory raced a bmw 335 in Los Angeles, unless it was special ordered or imported into the state, it wasn't a 335xi. With the weather in CA, we only get 335i unless it comes from somewhere else.

kip

You should beat him with no problem. I dont have experiences with the E63 but here is how road and track suggested you launch the car:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...707_E63_dp.pdf
(check test notes for acceleration)

As to the the debate 335i AWD vs E AMG, the is no comparison unless the 335i is tuned. The Performance box results I have seen (several) the best was 5.8 0-100km/h for AWD 335i's usually over 6 secs. The E55 is allways 5 or below. There should be absolutely no problem, despite the way you floor it, if the car is ok and the other car is not tuned. However, I suggest you use the s mode and manually shift to 1 and then just floor it. Most say Comfort suspension mode, I say sport 1.

The car you probably raced was a tuned AWD with a guy who maybe just reacted faster. Forget it , then you would have lost to a 93 toyota supra too. He might have better tires too. Just forget about it...

kip

Please dont compare these stock vs tuned cars. Both of the cars would have lost to a 20-year old 10 sec Supra. I dont think anyone underestimates the performance of the TUNED 335i, but then you should compere it to this TUNED E mercedes...

RAFFIE55

I thought I would chime in. Since I have raced a slightly modded 335i from a 20mph roll. He is definitally quick. However he did not pull on me. I think at about 75 I started to pull on him ever so slightly. I love my 1999 E55 AMG.
So you E63s should be killing them.

oldgixxer

Hmm,interesting.My car must be special or our roads are better here because,yes,the ESP can/does impair performance but I have never experienced a 3sec crutch.I've managed 1.9sec 60' times(at the track however)with ESP on.There's LOTS of variables,but I'm making a general statement based on my car w me driving

IMO,the ESP back-peddles the car much better then I ever possibly could&would deliver a much more consistent launch on a slick roadway vs. me gently rolling on the gas.

BTW,Enzom always launches his car with the ESP activated&his tire warming is limited as he does not enable "dyno mode" to do an un-limited,endless burnout....