View Poll Results: What should i do???
Keep my 2005 E55 AMG
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Sell the E55, and get the 2007 E63 AMG
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such a tough decision need your guys help
11-14-2007, 08:44 AM
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First things first:
1. The 63 is not faster than the 55. Those that think it is should just get over it. In a drag, the 55's are quicker on average. Faster? I don't see where, even from 100+ on up. Even if that was the case, where would you have the opportunity to prove it out?
2. Either car is a disaster out of warranty. They are both money sponges if you have to pay for anything out of pocket.
3. The 55 is much more mod friendly.
4. The 63 has better brakes, not much, but better from a head to head drive IMHO.
5. They are equally comfortable. I see zero differences in ride and interior for all practical purposes.
6. Smoother? yes, the 63 with the 7 speed and no SC clutch engagement jerking you around.
Even for only a 20K difference, it cannot be justified when the W212 is just around the corner. You will get spanked on the trade-in on the E63 as well. The other guy bit off the depreciation on the 55, the dealer is asking you to bite on a lot of the loss on the 63, especially given the ankle grabbing they want you to do on the trade.
Verdict:
Keep the 55 until the W212 comes out.
1. The 63 is not faster than the 55. Those that think it is should just get over it. In a drag, the 55's are quicker on average. Faster? I don't see where, even from 100+ on up. Even if that was the case, where would you have the opportunity to prove it out?
2. Either car is a disaster out of warranty. They are both money sponges if you have to pay for anything out of pocket.
3. The 55 is much more mod friendly.
4. The 63 has better brakes, not much, but better from a head to head drive IMHO.
5. They are equally comfortable. I see zero differences in ride and interior for all practical purposes.
6. Smoother? yes, the 63 with the 7 speed and no SC clutch engagement jerking you around.
Even for only a 20K difference, it cannot be justified when the W212 is just around the corner. You will get spanked on the trade-in on the E63 as well. The other guy bit off the depreciation on the 55, the dealer is asking you to bite on a lot of the loss on the 63, especially given the ankle grabbing they want you to do on the trade.
Verdict:
Keep the 55 until the W212 comes out.
If you want an example come out to the 11/30 drag event at Fontana. Im sure there will be plenty of people willing to attempt to prove the hypothesis.
11-14-2007, 08:46 AM
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Why do you keep this up? Is there a single 63 anything that has EVER turned an 11??? No. Stock for stock, no 63 is within a bus length of the fastest 55 times. I don't need to be at Fontana to prove it, see attached. Yes, they are very close. On any given day, the 63 might outrun a 55. As I said, on average, it doesn't happen.
11-14-2007, 10:43 AM
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old daily driver '07 E63(gone); new dd '14 750xi; 2013 Viper GTS
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Doesn't matter which car you settle on, at the end of the day the are both just fast 4 -door sedans. I have had my 63 for almost a year,have spent time behind the wheel of 55's and they are both fine machines. Good daily drivers, comfy and fast in a straight line. But unfortunately that is where the performance ends. Braking and cornering have much to be desired and fun factor is great for a sedan but average overall for a sports car.(technically not really a sports car but sport sedan). Regardless can't go wrong with either.
Doesn't matter which car you settle on, at the end of the day the are both just fast 4 -door sedans. I have had my 63 for almost a year,have spent time behind the wheel of 55's and they are both fine machines. Good daily drivers, comfy and fast in a straight line. But unfortunately that is where the performance ends. Braking and cornering have much to be desired and fun factor is great for a sedan but average overall for a sports car.(technically not really a sports car but sport sedan). Regardless can't go wrong with either.
11-15-2007, 07:08 PM
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2005 E55 AMG, 2005 E46 M3 ZCP
not a fan of the CLS. too bulky and not really attractive to me.
i would consider the C55AMG, but its too small on the inside. actually if i had gone that route probably would have leased a BMW 335i sedan. but once again, too small.
as far as braking, how do the stock E63 brakes compare to the stock E55 brakes? i dont really have any plans for an aftermarket BBK.
also, how is the ride/cornering/handling? i havent spent significant seat time behind the E63 and there was too much traffic last time i went for a test drive for me to really manuever the car, so i was wondering what you guys' take is on that.
also, what are the greatest differences between the 5spd auto and the 7 speed auto.
im guessing supposedly the E63 is suppose to be stronger up top?
which one gets better gas mileage?
and overall comfort/features, are there really any singificant differences. the one thing my E55 has that the proposed lease E63 does not have is pano roof. i love it. the sleek look and the function... but the bodylines of the E63 esp the rear look a little bit more attractive to me.
i would consider the C55AMG, but its too small on the inside. actually if i had gone that route probably would have leased a BMW 335i sedan. but once again, too small.
as far as braking, how do the stock E63 brakes compare to the stock E55 brakes? i dont really have any plans for an aftermarket BBK.
also, how is the ride/cornering/handling? i havent spent significant seat time behind the E63 and there was too much traffic last time i went for a test drive for me to really manuever the car, so i was wondering what you guys' take is on that.
also, what are the greatest differences between the 5spd auto and the 7 speed auto.
im guessing supposedly the E63 is suppose to be stronger up top?
which one gets better gas mileage?
and overall comfort/features, are there really any singificant differences. the one thing my E55 has that the proposed lease E63 does not have is pano roof. i love it. the sleek look and the function... but the bodylines of the E63 esp the rear look a little bit more attractive to me.
11-15-2007, 07:34 PM
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2005 E55 AMG, 2005 E46 M3 ZCP
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it came with 27k when i bought it just before labor day. build date is 6/2005.
it has every option except for rear sunshade. could care less as the windows are tinted 35percent all the way around.
i paid $47,000 for it.
it came with 27k when i bought it just before labor day. build date is 6/2005.
it has every option except for rear sunshade. could care less as the windows are tinted 35percent all the way around.
i paid $47,000 for it.
11-15-2007, 07:56 PM
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i dont know but i sure as heck hope its better than the drastic change of the BMW.
my first "real" performance car was a b5 audi s4. 2001. i saw the direction audi was going from a biturbo v6 to a bulky v8 and didnt like that, so i went to an E46 M3. i love the car and will keep it forever, but i needed a sedan but i do not love the direction BMW is going with their chris bangled E60M5s, the E92 M3 looks horrid, i mean, 3700lbs WITH a carbon fiber roof already is just unacceptable. plus.. the sedan version of that car wont be out for at least a year after the coupe comes out next spring, and even then it still looks fugly. the 5 series.. not enough kick. after driving an 11 second APR stage3 S4 and a modified M3, a high 13s/14 second car is just too slow.
the 335i is a nice bang for the buck, but the stock suspension is too soft and simply put, the car isnt big enough for my needs. also, im still not sold about the twin turbos even though there is lots of tuning and such in R and D there was a hydralic pump failure that was on nationwide backorder for like 2 months... if that had happened to me i would force the dealership to lemon the car. period.
thus started my search. i do not like japanese cars because they dont give me enough performance. i do not like american cars because theyre generally unreliable, plan, bland, massproducted and have interiors made of walmart grade materials. that narrowed my search down to basically... the E39M5, or the E55 AMG. breifly considered the RS4 as well from audi, but didnt like the $70+K pricetag. figured i could get more car for less $. between the E39M5 and the E55AMG, after driving both, the E55AMG is faster and nicer in every aspect except for cornering. the E39M5 is the best 4000lb car ive ever driven in terms of cornering, and BMW is known for their handling on the pre-bangled cars anyways. however, i could do without a 6MT because traffic in the bay area is... meh to begin with, and honestly, i wanted a little variety instead of 2 BMWs in the garage.
a friend of mine was selling the E55AMG this summer, because he was taking delivery on a 997 GT3 RS in orange/black stripes. i knew the bluebook and he basically told me that dealertrade in was going to be like $15k less than bluebook and if i could offer him anything over that the car was mine... and thats how the story goes.
my first "real" performance car was a b5 audi s4. 2001. i saw the direction audi was going from a biturbo v6 to a bulky v8 and didnt like that, so i went to an E46 M3. i love the car and will keep it forever, but i needed a sedan but i do not love the direction BMW is going with their chris bangled E60M5s, the E92 M3 looks horrid, i mean, 3700lbs WITH a carbon fiber roof already is just unacceptable. plus.. the sedan version of that car wont be out for at least a year after the coupe comes out next spring, and even then it still looks fugly. the 5 series.. not enough kick. after driving an 11 second APR stage3 S4 and a modified M3, a high 13s/14 second car is just too slow.
the 335i is a nice bang for the buck, but the stock suspension is too soft and simply put, the car isnt big enough for my needs. also, im still not sold about the twin turbos even though there is lots of tuning and such in R and D there was a hydralic pump failure that was on nationwide backorder for like 2 months... if that had happened to me i would force the dealership to lemon the car. period.
thus started my search. i do not like japanese cars because they dont give me enough performance. i do not like american cars because theyre generally unreliable, plan, bland, massproducted and have interiors made of walmart grade materials. that narrowed my search down to basically... the E39M5, or the E55 AMG. breifly considered the RS4 as well from audi, but didnt like the $70+K pricetag. figured i could get more car for less $. between the E39M5 and the E55AMG, after driving both, the E55AMG is faster and nicer in every aspect except for cornering. the E39M5 is the best 4000lb car ive ever driven in terms of cornering, and BMW is known for their handling on the pre-bangled cars anyways. however, i could do without a 6MT because traffic in the bay area is... meh to begin with, and honestly, i wanted a little variety instead of 2 BMWs in the garage.
a friend of mine was selling the E55AMG this summer, because he was taking delivery on a 997 GT3 RS in orange/black stripes. i knew the bluebook and he basically told me that dealertrade in was going to be like $15k less than bluebook and if i could offer him anything over that the car was mine... and thats how the story goes.
11-15-2007, 07:56 PM
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I say E63, don't worry about which one is faster, both are fast cars. The reason I side with the E63 is because like me, it's going to be a daily driver. To me, it's just a more smoother and nicer overall ride for everyday use. Yes, if you need a 11 second daily driver, then mod the E55, but for a stock daily, the E63 is a blast.
On a side note, Smythe CPO doesn't mean much. I went there a few months back when I was considering a E55, it was a 05 with 30k miles. That thing looked like a bunch of teenagers took it for a cross country drive. The suspension and alignment was all messed up on it. I took a closer look, I can tell some panels have been taken off before and bumper was repainted. And the sales person could barely answer any questions.
I ended up buying mines from Autobahn Motors, it was overall a much better experience. I can refer you to my sales person there, he was very cool and knowledgeable.
On a side note, Smythe CPO doesn't mean much. I went there a few months back when I was considering a E55, it was a 05 with 30k miles. That thing looked like a bunch of teenagers took it for a cross country drive. The suspension and alignment was all messed up on it. I took a closer look, I can tell some panels have been taken off before and bumper was repainted. And the sales person could barely answer any questions.
I ended up buying mines from Autobahn Motors, it was overall a much better experience. I can refer you to my sales person there, he was very cool and knowledgeable.
11-15-2007, 08:01 PM
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thanks oner. can you PM me with the info?
where exactly is autobahn motors. i am willing to travel pretty much anywhere inside CA for the right car.
so far my experiences have only been with Smythe and Beshoff here in the bay area.
and you are right about smythe to an extent. salesmen there are not very knowledgeable, and their lease rates SUCK.
my first least offer there for 39months on an E63 was like $1900. wtf.
plus, im sure theyre not real thrilled when i pull in with the M3 either. gotten a couple dirty looks from car salesmen there. anyhow, for me this will probably continue to be a deliberation in my mind as years end is approaching and i am interested to see what kind of deals can be worked out the last couple days of the year.
where exactly is autobahn motors. i am willing to travel pretty much anywhere inside CA for the right car.
so far my experiences have only been with Smythe and Beshoff here in the bay area.
and you are right about smythe to an extent. salesmen there are not very knowledgeable, and their lease rates SUCK.
my first least offer there for 39months on an E63 was like $1900. wtf.
plus, im sure theyre not real thrilled when i pull in with the M3 either. gotten a couple dirty looks from car salesmen there. anyhow, for me this will probably continue to be a deliberation in my mind as years end is approaching and i am interested to see what kind of deals can be worked out the last couple days of the year.
11-15-2007, 08:16 PM
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First things first:
1. The 63 is not faster than the 55. Those that think it is should just get over it. In a drag, the 55's are quicker on average. Faster? I don't see where, even from 100+ on up. Even if that was the case, where would you have the opportunity to prove it out?
2. Either car is a disaster out of warranty. They are both money sponges if you have to pay for anything out of pocket.
3. The 55 is much more mod friendly.
4. The 63 has better brakes, not much, but better from a head to head drive IMHO.
5. They are equally comfortable. I see zero differences in ride and interior for all practical purposes.
6. Smoother? yes, the 63 with the 7 speed and no SC clutch engagement jerking you around.
Even for only a 20K difference, it cannot be justified when the W212 is just around the corner. You will get spanked on the trade-in on the E63 as well. The other guy bit off the depreciation on the 55, the dealer is asking you to bite on a lot of the loss on the 63, especially given the ankle grabbing they want you to do on the trade.
Verdict:
Keep the 55 until the W212 comes out.
1. The 63 is not faster than the 55. Those that think it is should just get over it. In a drag, the 55's are quicker on average. Faster? I don't see where, even from 100+ on up. Even if that was the case, where would you have the opportunity to prove it out?
2. Either car is a disaster out of warranty. They are both money sponges if you have to pay for anything out of pocket.
3. The 55 is much more mod friendly.
4. The 63 has better brakes, not much, but better from a head to head drive IMHO.
5. They are equally comfortable. I see zero differences in ride and interior for all practical purposes.
6. Smoother? yes, the 63 with the 7 speed and no SC clutch engagement jerking you around.
Even for only a 20K difference, it cannot be justified when the W212 is just around the corner. You will get spanked on the trade-in on the E63 as well. The other guy bit off the depreciation on the 55, the dealer is asking you to bite on a lot of the loss on the 63, especially given the ankle grabbing they want you to do on the trade.
Verdict:
Keep the 55 until the W212 comes out.
11-15-2007, 08:31 PM
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What I have learned is that the 55 is perhaps a little faster but the slowness of the 63 is really just slightly slower in say the quarter mile. It was just a lot of hype when the 63 first came out as the new kid on the block. If you read enough about it, you started to believe it. The cars are very similar, with the 63 having some advantages except it doesn't have active seats. True the 55 mods the best but there are so many issues it begs the question why? When the W212 comes out, the cost will be closer to $125K
if you think the next generation E-class AMG will be closer to $125k...VERY unlikely
11-15-2007, 08:47 PM
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(I apologize in advance)...I see what you're thinking...but it just seems WAY too much for an E-class even with kind of power (whatever it may be)...and if that be the case the whole AMG line above the E-class would have to get a substantial bump in pricing 
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E-ZGO 53hp., 1999 E 430 sport, 2004 E 55, 2008 Tahoe LTZ on 24"s
The E63 comes out 2007 and has a MSRP $89,000 and after two months you could get a discount of $11,000.00
The next generation W212 will do the same thing the W211 E55K did to the W210 E55. In 2010 we will see the huge jump, better car over all and 625 HP MSRP $105,000.00 and demand so high they will bring $135,000.00
History repeats...............
11-16-2007, 01:39 AM
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Why do you keep this up? Is there a single 63 anything that has EVER turned an 11??? No. Stock for stock, no 63 is within a bus length of the fastest 55 times. I don't need to be at Fontana to prove it, see attached. Yes, they are very close. On any given day, the 63 might outrun a 55. As I said, on average, it doesn't happen.
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11-16-2007, 06:46 AM
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with regurd to the brakes.... i see no reason to change them, have you ever tried braking hard in your AMG? trust me it will stop 
unles u have break by wire which had a few bugs i belive
people with other sport cars kill to have simular breaks to what our cars have
unles u have break by wire which had a few bugs i belive
people with other sport cars kill to have simular breaks to what our cars have
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sorry dude, same track same day, there is not a significant difference between the two models. And yes you will need to be at Fontana to prove this.. Show up and destroy a 63 as the pdf file you posted clearly shows and I will never again suggest the 63 is faster while the 55 is quicker.
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A. My car is no longer stock and I won't remove all my mods to make it a fair comparison.
B. You're just not facing the facts.
Yes, there are 63's that run faster than 55's, I don't dispute that. You're right, there isn't a significant difference. I never suggested that there was, or that every 55 would outrun every 63. You, on the other hand just can't seem to acknowledge that ONCE AGAIN:
On AVERAGE, the 55 is quicker in a drag race.
The smoother car is definitely the 63 and has better brakes after back to back drives, IMO. There is no opinion when it comes to which STOCK car has the quickest times, with the highest trap speeds. Show me a 63 in the 11's, and I will STFU.
11-16-2007, 09:53 AM
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In 2003 an E55K AMG had an MSRP sticker price of $85,000 at that time and for almost a year after wards, it took $100,000.00 to buy one, FACT
The E63 comes out 2007 and has a MSRP $89,000 and after two months you could get a discount of $11,000.00
The next generation W212 will do the same thing the W211 E55K did to the W210 E55. In 2010 we will see the huge jump, better car over all and 625 HP MSRP $105,000.00 and demand so high they will bring $135,000.00
History repeats...............
The E63 comes out 2007 and has a MSRP $89,000 and after two months you could get a discount of $11,000.00
The next generation W212 will do the same thing the W211 E55K did to the W210 E55. In 2010 we will see the huge jump, better car over all and 625 HP MSRP $105,000.00 and demand so high they will bring $135,000.00
History repeats...............
11-16-2007, 07:02 PM
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It's past time to STFU on the matter. You're just starting to sound like a dumba$$. Is there a 63 in the 11's? Once again, on average, the 55 is the quicker car. Me showing up in Fontana and spankin' your 63 wouldn't prove that to you because:
A. My car is no longer stock and I won't remove all my mods to make it a fair comparison.
B. You're just not facing the facts.
Yes, there are 63's that run faster than 55's, I don't dispute that. You're right, there isn't a significant difference. I never suggested that there was, or that every 55 would outrun every 63. You, on the other hand just can't seem to acknowledge that ONCE AGAIN:
On AVERAGE, the 55 is quicker in a drag race.
The smoother car is definitely the 63 and has better brakes after back to back drives, IMO. There is no opinion when it comes to which STOCK car has the quickest times, with the highest trap speeds. Show me a 63 in the 11's, and I will STFU.
A. My car is no longer stock and I won't remove all my mods to make it a fair comparison.
B. You're just not facing the facts.
Yes, there are 63's that run faster than 55's, I don't dispute that. You're right, there isn't a significant difference. I never suggested that there was, or that every 55 would outrun every 63. You, on the other hand just can't seem to acknowledge that ONCE AGAIN:
On AVERAGE, the 55 is quicker in a drag race.
The smoother car is definitely the 63 and has better brakes after back to back drives, IMO. There is no opinion when it comes to which STOCK car has the quickest times, with the highest trap speeds. Show me a 63 in the 11's, and I will STFU.
I disagree with your opinion and ask you attend track day with your modded car and race a modded 63......headers, ecu, wheels. The 55 is quicker and I already said that a few times .
Comon out
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I give up. If I had the time I'd be there, but you'd only find another excuse. Let's see what happens. I'll bet that the fastest 55 of the day beats the fastest 63. Once again, if you show me a stock 11 sec. 63, I'll never doubt a thing you post again. 
This isn't a bash against the 63's. I'd probably rather have a 63 over my 55 if there was no cost involved, just for the things I acknowledge the 63's are better at, brakes and smoothness. But to get back on topic, there's no reason for the OP to spend the money to "upgrade".
This isn't a bash against the 63's. I'd probably rather have a 63 over my 55 if there was no cost involved, just for the things I acknowledge the 63's are better at, brakes and smoothness. But to get back on topic, there's no reason for the OP to spend the money to "upgrade".
