E63 better than E55?
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" E63 0-60 4.2
E55 0-60 4.5
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I think you may possibly be smelling your self here. The 63 is clearly the faster car in the 0-60. I'm not talking about the 1/4 mile, stay on track
Anyway for me a .1 or .2 second difference in the Q mile doesnt mean anything. I'd much rather drive the newer,fresher,updated E63 than the dated looking E55.
E55 0-60 4.5
Car n Driver "
I think you may possibly be smelling your self here. The 63 is clearly the faster car in the 0-60. I'm not talking about the 1/4 mile, stay on track
Anyway for me a .1 or .2 second difference in the Q mile doesnt mean anything. I'd much rather drive the newer,fresher,updated E63 than the dated looking E55.
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Oh please, its obvious that the 55 is faster from a roll. There are a million videos to prove this, as well as personal accounts. Look at the 1/4 mile trap speeds or 0-150mph, E55 leaves E63 in the dust. Just by browsing youtube, here are a few races from a roll showing the E55 clearly being faster
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KLLsK4TiBpU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5YaHyBnf7P8&feature=related
Sure on that particular day, the E63 might've been faster, but there are a million different factors that can determine an outcome of a race. 8 out of 10 times, E55 will be faster from standstill or from a roll.
And what's far worse is that if you want more power from your 63, you're pretty much out of luck when it comes to modifying it. Throw in a couple of grand into the 55 and it will make it will make the 63 look like its standing still...
P.S. I don't mean any offense to the 63 owners, just stating my personal opinion that if you're looking for a faster accelerating car, 55 is the better choice. E63 handles better, brakes better, and has a better transmission.. but all I'm talking about in this post is the acceleration.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KLLsK4TiBpU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5YaHyBnf7P8&feature=related
Sure on that particular day, the E63 might've been faster, but there are a million different factors that can determine an outcome of a race. 8 out of 10 times, E55 will be faster from standstill or from a roll.
And what's far worse is that if you want more power from your 63, you're pretty much out of luck when it comes to modifying it. Throw in a couple of grand into the 55 and it will make it will make the 63 look like its standing still...
P.S. I don't mean any offense to the 63 owners, just stating my personal opinion that if you're looking for a faster accelerating car, 55 is the better choice. E63 handles better, brakes better, and has a better transmission.. but all I'm talking about in this post is the acceleration.
The E55 has weight and torque advantage, with gearing and hp going to the 63, The 63 was the fastest sedan ever tested from a roll and to 150 was faster than an M5 and S6 here in Fontana. And yes it was a full second faster to 150 mph 23.3 vs 24.5 for the 55. The E55 is the better car right now for modding and it is quite frankly a difficult car to beat in any race. I still , do not know if you asked me what the outcome would be if a 63 and 55 lined up , flip a coin. Regardless, I Love both cars and also would fear them both. I fear the 55 more simply because I know 90% of em have tricks under thy hood
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" E63 0-60 4.2
E55 0-60 4.5
Car n Driver "
I think you may possibly be smelling your self here. The 63 is clearly the faster car in the 0-60. I'm not talking about the 1/4 mile, stay on track
Anyway for me a .1 or .2 second difference in the Q mile doesnt mean anything. I'd much rather drive the newer,fresher,updated E63 than the dated looking E55.
E55 0-60 4.5
Car n Driver "
I think you may possibly be smelling your self here. The 63 is clearly the faster car in the 0-60. I'm not talking about the 1/4 mile, stay on track
Anyway for me a .1 or .2 second difference in the Q mile doesnt mean anything. I'd much rather drive the newer,fresher,updated E63 than the dated looking E55.
Just to add icing on the cake MBUSA did a test live between E55k and E63...guess who won 55
in time you will learn the truth and benifit
Who knows maybe the new transmission (MTC or MTM cant remeber name)coming on the SL63 will give adnantage to 63 (as new 55 05-06 seem to dyno higher perform better, same with the 600-65 cars)
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2010 E550.. Gone but never forgotton - E63 AMG..
I was once like you reading mags looking at hp rating and dooing alot of bench racing ( not actual racing). This might come as a shock to you but 55k motor has 500hp not 469 and as stated above has the proven faster times so far.
Just to add icing on the cake MBUSA did a test live between E55k and E63...guess who won 55
in time you will learn the truth and benifit
Who knows maybe the new transmission (MTC or MTM cant remeber name)coming on the SL63 will give adnantage to 63 (as new 55 05-06 seem to dyno higher perform better, same with the 600-65 cars)
Just to add icing on the cake MBUSA did a test live between E55k and E63...guess who won 55
in time you will learn the truth and benifit
Who knows maybe the new transmission (MTC or MTM cant remeber name)coming on the SL63 will give adnantage to 63 (as new 55 05-06 seem to dyno higher perform better, same with the 600-65 cars)
Nothing shocking here, I have raced an E55 and came out on top in the 0-60 4 out of 5 times. I dont need any more proof. The 63 is quicker to 60, Many people can tell you that. So the E55 has 500 HP not 469 as stated..Hmmm, Okay.. Maybe I should tell you that my E63 does not have 507 HP it has 545 HP ? I'm kidding but I dont see why MB would state 469 if in fact it is 500.
I dont buy it, sorry.
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" E63 0-60 4.2
E55 0-60 4.5
Car n Driver "
I think you may possibly be smelling your self here. The 63 is clearly the faster car in the 0-60. I'm not talking about the 1/4 mile, stay on track
Anyway for me a .1 or .2 second difference in the Q mile doesnt mean anything. I'd much rather drive the newer,fresher,updated E63 than the dated looking E55.
E55 0-60 4.5
Car n Driver "
I think you may possibly be smelling your self here. The 63 is clearly the faster car in the 0-60. I'm not talking about the 1/4 mile, stay on track
Anyway for me a .1 or .2 second difference in the Q mile doesnt mean anything. I'd much rather drive the newer,fresher,updated E63 than the dated looking E55.
Well, at least you concede the 1/4 mile as did MBUSA. Now, you are willing to post up here that a 63 will take a 55k from the dig and expect any respect?
LOL with the Car and Driver proof.
I have always given the 63's all the respect they deserve and even want one, but don't confuse what they are good at.
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P.S. I don't mean any offense to the 63 owners, just stating my personal opinion that if you're looking for a faster accelerating car, 55 is the better choice. E63 handles better, brakes better, and has a better transmission.. but all I'm talking about in this post is the acceleration.
Just for the record, it is having to respond to some of the nonsense that makes us sterotype the 63 so much. For the real fellas that know and have them, you should be the ones schooling these foos!! Keep your newbs and youngind under control and then we may respect you more!!!
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Just to give you fuel for your fire, PLENTY of both motors on various chassis have been dyno'd stock and with various mods. That data is what we go by.
In the end, my slick friend, I don't really care what MB claims my HP to be. All I care is IF we were to line up, You'd see nothing but heels and tail. Unserstand that.
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Too true.This argument always comes up and it really does come down to what your intentions are. The OP never even set the scope. Is it for racing comparisons only? What?
Racewise, the 55K advantage is the ability to mod, the knowledge of the block that is out there, and the ease of actually turning a bolt on it. It is an extremely "basic" motor. Lots of displacement and forced induction, period.
I see the number of modded 55ks increasing as the prices plummet on the cars and tuning parts. The 63 may end up with nice tunes, but I see them being expensive and still exclusive for a bit. So, that may be a thing the 63 guys wanna boast about. It will definitely be rare when you run accross a TT or SC'd 63, while 600hp E55s will be dime a dozen.
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" E63 0-60 4.2
E55 0-60 4.5
Car n Driver "
I think you may possibly be smelling your self here. The 63 is clearly the faster car in the 0-60. I'm not talking about the 1/4 mile, stay on track
Anyway for me a .1 or .2 second difference in the Q mile doesnt mean anything. I'd much rather drive the newer,fresher,updated E63 than the dated looking E55.
E55 0-60 4.5
Car n Driver "
I think you may possibly be smelling your self here. The 63 is clearly the faster car in the 0-60. I'm not talking about the 1/4 mile, stay on track
Anyway for me a .1 or .2 second difference in the Q mile doesnt mean anything. I'd much rather drive the newer,fresher,updated E63 than the dated looking E55.
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I might be wrong, but torque alone does not mean thate E55 would be faster just because its peak torque is higher then E63. The key here is RPM level at which the torque is delivered as well as how steady that delivery is over the RPM range. Based on the HP numbers E63 clearly has higher HP based on the torque/RPM calculation -- meaning that E63 should be just as fast if not not faster.I would venture to say that E63 is even or faster then E55 0-62 and 1/4 mile run. I might be wrong, but based on the numbers once you get E63 in the higher rev level it should outperfrom E55.
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Haha someone with 50 posts, no pics up, who's never met anyone from the board in real life calling me a troll. Your glass house really shattered on that one. C&D numbers mean nothing, magazines are inconsistent with real life. I hate to break it to you but this topic has been discussed ad nauseum, well before you had that AMG glint in your eye. Arguing 0-60 times is ridiculous as well (even though you're glaringly incorrect in your assumptions), because it's not remotely as important a true performance measure as a quarter mile time. Nobody races from 0-60 and then cuts the throttle dude, nobody.
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Ya the 63 most definitely looks better. But some on here equate that to the old saying..."All flash, no dash..." Depends on your viewpoint I guess. Not surprisingly the 63 owners swear it's better and the 55 owners swear it's not. The numbers are on the side of the 55s.
I have only driven one 63 and about 10 55s, and granted the 63 was new so might not have been performing that well, but the 55s were all a lot quicker. Salesman was in the 63 with me, so I couldn't really get the 63 up to the "highway" speeds I wanted to...maybe it's better on the top-end.
I still might buy a 55 later this year if I find one for the right price. I was all gung-ho on it a few months ago, but kept getting the sensation that I would be catching a falling knife.
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However, is it worth the $$ to upgrade if you already have an E55? Not really. However, it's a great car but my money would always be on a 55k, stock or not, in the 1/4.
I had a beautiful white/pano E63 ricer-fly-by me on La Brea/3rd yesterday. Asian guy driving. Sounded like a Spitfire. If you're a board member own up. too much traffic about for my liking but another time...
By the way, does the OP have any pics to his name? Doubt it.
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Nothing shocking here, I have raced an E55 and came out on top in the 0-60 4 out of 5 times. I dont need any more proof. The 63 is quicker to 60, Many people can tell you that. So the E55 has 500 HP not 469 as stated..Hmmm, Okay.. Maybe I should tell you that my E63 does not have 507 HP it has 545 HP ? I'm kidding but I dont see why MB would state 469 if in fact it is 500.
I dont buy it, sorry.
I dont buy it, sorry.
as Jangy stated, the 55k engines has around 500 hp and not 469 hp (countless dynos of 55k engine has proven this).
last summer here in chicago during a meet, i witness 1st hand a stock E55 easily pulling a stock E63.
it just makes sense the E55 will win if (as i've stated above) both cars have around same horsepower but the E55 is lighter and has more torque.
i just got a '08 E63 not b/c i think it will be faster than the E55 (b/c i know most likely it's not) but b/c i like the newer models w/ the updated exterior and interior of the car.
just enjoy ur ride and be happy we are able to afford these luxuries.
just my $.02.
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There is that saying in football..."Thats why they play the games" well the saying should be modified for this to say "Thats why they race the cars".
Its a toss up stock vs. stock IMO. We can argue the numbers and TQ advantages all day but those numbers are not going to be specific to any one car and the dynos prove it. Plus none of these numbers translate to conditions, drivers, roads, car health, etc...
Its a toss up stock vs. stock IMO. We can argue the numbers and TQ advantages all day but those numbers are not going to be specific to any one car and the dynos prove it. Plus none of these numbers translate to conditions, drivers, roads, car health, etc...
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Can't say one car is better than the other, they are just different.
I fell in love with the E55 a couple years ago after a test drive. Although I have a E63, I would be more than happy owning a E55...it's a great car.
I fell in love with the E55 a couple years ago after a test drive. Although I have a E63, I would be more than happy owning a E55...it's a great car.
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E55 vs E63
Are we seriously going to do this again
This topic has been discussed in great details with video, timeslips, articles, quotes, real-time races, and endless other comparisons across 100s of threads. Here is the short answer again.......
The two cars are very close in performance, which makes it mostly a driver's race. However, if you want to compare strictly 1/4 mile races, all things being equal and with a perfect launch, the E55 will be 0.1 to 0.2 faster than the E63. However, it is much harder to launch the E55 perfectly than it is to launch the E63 on any given track let alone on different street surfaces. And for 1/2 mile race, then I predict the E63 will come out 0.1 to 0.2 seconds faster than the E55.
For the dragtimes argument: there has not been many E63 running in the east coast yet. In fact, the only one that did run on a decent track scored a 12.1 @ 117 completely stock, which makes it very close to the 12.00 and 12.10s from other near by (east-coast) tracks. On that day, even the world's fastest E55 ran 11.8 or 11.9 but it had much better tires (Michellin PS2) and wider set in the rear. I am 100% certain that Michellin PS2 will improve Oldgixxer's time by at least another 0.15 seconds.
Now for the west coast........
Here in the west coast, the results are entirely different (and very interesting). Every single time the E63 ran vs an E55, it beat it not only in ET but in Trap speed as well. This has been tried with different E63, E55, and at least 3 different tracks.
So again, the two cars are closer in performance than people think. But once you start modding, the E55 will destroy any E63....... at least until a twin turbo solution arrives
This topic has been discussed in great details with video, timeslips, articles, quotes, real-time races, and endless other comparisons across 100s of threads. Here is the short answer again.......
The two cars are very close in performance, which makes it mostly a driver's race. However, if you want to compare strictly 1/4 mile races, all things being equal and with a perfect launch, the E55 will be 0.1 to 0.2 faster than the E63. However, it is much harder to launch the E55 perfectly than it is to launch the E63 on any given track let alone on different street surfaces. And for 1/2 mile race, then I predict the E63 will come out 0.1 to 0.2 seconds faster than the E55.
For the dragtimes argument: there has not been many E63 running in the east coast yet. In fact, the only one that did run on a decent track scored a 12.1 @ 117 completely stock, which makes it very close to the 12.00 and 12.10s from other near by (east-coast) tracks. On that day, even the world's fastest E55 ran 11.8 or 11.9 but it had much better tires (Michellin PS2) and wider set in the rear. I am 100% certain that Michellin PS2 will improve Oldgixxer's time by at least another 0.15 seconds.
Now for the west coast........
Here in the west coast, the results are entirely different (and very interesting). Every single time the E63 ran vs an E55, it beat it not only in ET but in Trap speed as well. This has been tried with different E63, E55, and at least 3 different tracks.
So again, the two cars are closer in performance than people think. But once you start modding, the E55 will destroy any E63....... at least until a twin turbo solution arrives
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I was once like you reading mags looking at hp rating and dooing alot of bench racing ( not actual racing). This might come as a shock to you but 55k motor has 500hp not 469 and as stated above has the proven faster times so far.
Just to add icing on the cake MBUSA did a test live between E55k and E63...guess who won 55
in time you will learn the truth and benifit
Who knows maybe the new transmission (MTC or MTM cant remeber name)coming on the SL63 will give adnantage to 63 (as new 55 05-06 seem to dyno higher perform better, same with the 600-65 cars)
Just to add icing on the cake MBUSA did a test live between E55k and E63...guess who won 55
in time you will learn the truth and benifit
Who knows maybe the new transmission (MTC or MTM cant remeber name)coming on the SL63 will give adnantage to 63 (as new 55 05-06 seem to dyno higher perform better, same with the 600-65 cars)
From what i gather in this forum, the 55 is the faster accelerator, but the 63 is newer, with better handling and better brakes. Both amazing cars to hide from on the highway, both in their own way. Thank you all very much for your input.
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+1. I've driven both back to back and have stated for the record the differences. The E63 definitely was smoother (what a shock, NA 7 speed VS jerky SC clutch and 5 speeds), and the brakes "felt" better. There are not enough differences in the interior to say the 63 was better. In fact, I'll take my active seats over the plain 63 seats any day, so the 55 wins that battle. Exterior "fresher"? Please. Once again, there's just not a lot of difference between the 2, and only an enthusiast can tell an '07/'08 from the '03-'06's. Add in the fact that the '06 stickered at '98K but was stolen from the dealer in comparison to the raping they were laying on buyers for the 63's. I'll keep my "dated" E55, which made 435 RWHP bone stock.
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Ive only been a member for a few days, and either way, my e55 is completely stock, no rims, no tints, nothing. And i havent tuned the engine either, for now its more than I can handle/deserve, so im not driving around racing anyone who i think has a tuned engine. But im happy to hear that Carl Lassiter lives in the LA area, I hope i see you around, I have a lot of respect for anyone who was smart enough to buy a 996TT
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Ive only been a member for a few days, and either way, my e55 is completely stock, no rims, no tints, nothing. And i havent tuned the engine either, for now its more than I can handle/deserve, so im not driving around racing anyone who i think has a tuned engine. But im happy to hear that Carl Lassiter lives in the LA area, I hope i see you around, I have a lot of respect for anyone who was smart enough to buy a 996TT
Hey ,
Welcome to the Forum.
You should really get to know your car be safe and do not go fasterthan you feel comfortable. This is a very fast and heavy sedan, it can spin, drift, slam your head back, you must be careful.
The 55 feels faster and it very well may be but it will take you to decide for yourself by going to the track and learning to drive your car. I am heading to Irwindale tonight 4-10p and will be practicing my 1/8th mile splits. Welcome and congrats on your purchase.
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