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Old 06-12-2008 | 12:09 PM
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MKB Tuners FINALLY in the US

Formally announced today.

Only thing I am interested in is this "spring mod" that we have heard about for years and years. Some type of mod to the springs on the the air recirculating system. I would call it EGS valves but then I would get jumped on.

Otherwise from everything I read over the years, basically another over priced tuner.

Here is the price list for modding the C63.

For your AMG we have our complete package which contains the ECU upgrade, exhaust manifolds, and downpipes with cats. The cost plus shipping is $22,091

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...12/089806.html

http://www.mkb-power-na.com/
Old 06-12-2008 | 12:21 PM
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For your AMG we have our complete package which contains the ECU upgrade, exhaust manifolds, and downpipes with cats. The cost plus shipping is $22,091
LoL...22k...thats funny...
Old 06-12-2008 | 12:27 PM
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Installed? That's about 12K too much.
Old 06-12-2008 | 12:29 PM
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Interesting...I got this quote for the E63's:

The Stage Two Kit include ECU upgrade (a true reflash), headers and downpipes. The complete kit excluding shipping is $18,832.15.

As you may be aware with just this upgrade we went over 204mph a Nardo.


Hmmmmm
Old 06-12-2008 | 01:02 PM
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Old 06-12-2008 | 01:37 PM
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I have the Renntech chip alone with a few other minor minor mods and My car was up to 188. Does it really matter that extra little bit more...I think I spent about 1/4 that much I wish them luck with those sales....
Old 06-12-2008 | 01:57 PM
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Yeah, I'm in no way interested in the top end...I was just stating the difference in prices.
Old 06-12-2008 | 04:16 PM
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Old 06-12-2008 | 05:06 PM
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this is HORRIBLEEEE
Old 06-12-2008 | 05:21 PM
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Wow thats is ugly
Old 06-12-2008 | 05:30 PM
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Roll up to the MKB offices in a Brabus rocket and do donuts screaming:

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Old 06-12-2008 | 05:46 PM
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MKB is the only tuner that does not change to bigger pulleys to gain HP. My CLS 55 AMG installed the full MKB package, and the goes like a rocket. It did a 0-200km/h in less then 12secs, how about that.
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MKB is the only tuner that does not change to bigger pulleys to gain HP. My CLS 55 AMG installed the full MKB package, and the goes like a rocket. It did a 0-200km/h in less then 12secs, how about that.
Did I misread? I didn't think anyone really questioned (yet) the performance issue or even reliability. I think the main response was the performance for the money spent and the comparable performance by other tuners for a lot less.

I'm glad your car went 124mph in less than 12sec...with 4 posts you shouldn't be so sensitive.
Old 06-12-2008 | 06:13 PM
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MKB is the only tuner that does not change to bigger pulleys to gain HP
True and not true. MKB switches the supercharger pulley/clutch to a smaller milled version to essentially do the same thing as a larger crank pulley.

Many will even argue that the smaller supercharger pulley will slip more and be less efficient.

Not saying your car doesn't make lots of power, but MKB has to swap out the pulley to make that kinda power.

Full MKB package


Increase in performance 456 kW (620 HP) at 5800 rpm, 800 Nm at 4190 rpm
modification:
high performance camshafts, exhaust headers s/s,
special compressor clutch, bigger throttle with optimized air intake tube,
adaption of ECU incl. V-max delimiter,
Limited slip differential 45%
reinforcement transmission incl. adaptation TCU,
shorter transmission ratio ( I = 2,82 ) for a better acceleration rate
Old 06-13-2008 | 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Formally announced today.

Only thing I am interested in is this "spring mod" that we have heard about for years and years. Some type of mod to the springs on the the air recirculating system. I would call it EGS valves but then I would get jumped on.
Yeah its the same thing Wetterauer put on my car ... who knows wtf the germans have worked out here ... but I still recall the flaming I went through for bringing it up when I had it installed!

I think its got something to do with getting more/less clean air to the 02 sensors and in this way adjusting the ECU to utilise this in some way by making the car run leaner / richer - I've given up asking Wett. for an explanation all they say is "it gives more air!" in a very heavy german accent.

Did not know MKB used them too - would be interesting to see a picture of their units.

Do they do SLR style coolers?
Old 06-13-2008 | 07:21 AM
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Wow thats is ugly
Yes that must be the UGLIEST I have seen yet....They really riced that out...

yeah the MKB puts a lot of power out, but with what i spent on this car I am happy to use one of the other tuners around like Renntech and VRP which I have aready done business with because they are much more economical to my budget modding
Old 06-13-2008 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebez
Yeah its the same thing Wetterauer put on my car ... who knows wtf the germans have worked out here ... but I still recall the flaming I went through for bringing it up when I had it installed!

I think its got something to do with getting more/less clean air to the 02 sensors and in this way adjusting the ECU to utilise this in some way by making the car run leaner / richer - I've given up asking Wett. for an explanation all they say is "it gives more air!" in a very heavy german accent.

Did not know MKB used them too - would be interesting to see a picture of their units.

Do they do SLR style coolers?
lol, i felt bad for you in that thread as i could sense your frustration. unfortunately we still never figured out what those damned things do or if they made any power.
Old 06-24-2008 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
True and not true. MKB switches the supercharger pulley/clutch to a smaller milled version to essentially do the same thing as a larger crank pulley.

Many will even argue that the smaller supercharger pulley will slip more and be less efficient.

Not saying your car doesn't make lots of power, but MKB has to swap out the pulley to make that kinda power.

Full MKB package


Increase in performance 456 kW (620 HP) at 5800 rpm, 800 Nm at 4190 rpm
modification:
high performance camshafts, exhaust headers s/s,
special compressor clutch, bigger throttle with optimized air intake tube,
adaption of ECU incl. V-max delimiter,
Limited slip differential 45%
reinforcement transmission incl. adaptation TCU,
shorter transmission ratio ( I = 2,82 ) for a better acceleration rate
How MKB works it that they remove the secondary throttle, which it will then hold and build up boost in the engine. The S/C clutch is not milled smaller, I have measured my original S/C clutch is the same in measurements. I know that they have modify the clutch so that it click the S/C on earlier then the original would. My car runs 0.65 bar of boost from 2000-5000rpm and 0.75 bar max from 5000-6300 rpm. I have asked the MKB guys why not add more boost, to gain more HP. They told me that every 0.1 bar of boost added will increase the IAT. Too much boost will automatically cut the ignition timming, when timming is retard hp will reduce. More over original Mercedes piston are not forge and cannot hold to much heat. Unless the SLR intercooler is install. Our original intercooler is not good enough to cool the intake charge air anything beyond 0.85 bar of boost. MKB runs a very advance timming software, which is why their engine will have a better responds. More over I think reliability comes first is always their way of doing things. MKB software will not retard timming anything before 80 degree C. Boost equals to heat and heat robs HP.
Old 06-24-2008 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebez
Yeah its the same thing Wetterauer put on my car ... who knows wtf the germans have worked out here ... but I still recall the flaming I went through for bringing it up when I had it installed!

I think its got something to do with getting more/less clean air to the 02 sensors and in this way adjusting the ECU to utilise this in some way by making the car run leaner / richer - I've given up asking Wett. for an explanation all they say is "it gives more air!" in a very heavy german accent.

Did not know MKB used them too - would be interesting to see a picture of their units.

Do they do SLR style coolers?
They only do it for their own MKB-RSE challenge car, it is not for sale.
Old 06-24-2008 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by AMGfan
Did I misread? I didn't think anyone really questioned (yet) the performance issue or even reliability. I think the main response was the performance for the money spent and the comparable performance by other tuners for a lot less.

I'm glad your car went 124mph in less than 12sec...with 4 posts you shouldn't be so sensitive.
I would agree that the price over HP is not great, but they are the only tuners that does not change to bigger crank pulley. Bigger crank pulley add lots of load to the crank shaft.
Old 06-24-2008 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AMGfan
Did I misread? I didn't think anyone really questioned (yet) the performance issue or even reliability. I think the main response was the performance for the money spent and the comparable performance by other tuners for a lot less.

I'm glad your car went 124mph in less than 12sec...with 4 posts you shouldn't be so sensitive.
I would agree that the price over HP is not great, but they are the only tuners that does not change to bigger crank pulley. Bigger crank pulley add lots of load to the crank shaft.
Old 06-24-2008 | 02:13 PM
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I didnt think 0-124 in 12secs was that fast? No offense it is great for a cls55 but havent k2 cars run faster then that for alot less?
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