jangy

I've been looking for him, but he hasn't been over. i think he already joined before.

otoupalik

Josh,

You used a word that we don't allow. The COMPLETE site admin and ownership agrees that these words are not allowed.

You were given a WARNING, not even a VIOLATION. This was out of respect to your standing on the site. Most would have been given an infraction.

I am sorry that you don't want to follow the rules. But you intentionally wrote out the word in a way that would be clear for people to see what you meant.

It is just not the way this site is. It has nothing to do with me, it is a SITE decision that we all support.

I personally would not want you to leave this site, but you are an adult and can make any decisions you choose. However, nearly 90,000 members follow the rules, we are only asking that you do as well.

Thanks
Brad

SoCalCLK

See you around, Josh. It was fun while it lasted!

deaguero

Juicee' don't go. C'mon Brad chill out what going on around here?

Shake

Sorry to hear Juice.


There's a few other benz forums out there as well.

Code3 Performance

Don't leave us, Josh!

AsianML

Sorry to hear you go man.

I agree that the forum has been in decline. I haven't had any personal run-ins with anyone on the administrative team here, but my issue is with some of the members that have joined not too recently. I just feel dumber and dumber whenever I lurk through some of the forums...

Blue_Monster

+1

I completely understand though. Some of the admins / mods have a napoleon complex

ryan0

hey... you're the dude who banned me for typing four asterisks in a row. but somehow your buddy who hands your company gobs of cash didnt get banned for threatening me.

hows it going? good i see.

how long until you delete this post like the others?

JAYCL600

AD?

jangy

You guys are cold!! i love it!!!

jangy

one other, you moron!!

rflow306

okay, but why was his entire post deleted instead of edited.

The post below was edited and not removed.

otoupalik

Good question.

If the post is short and the main focus includes the violation, then the post is typically deleted.

If the post is longer and editing it will save the meaningful content, then that is the action.

Either way, the member is given a warning or an infraction (as was the case with BOTH of your examples).

Juicee's post was all of two lines. One had the violation and one was "team britax unite" - yes, it is subjective, but that is not a meaningful post in that thread. It was a comedic aside, not paramount to the discussion.

Yes, this is subjective, but that is the answer.

FYI, over the course of a day, I spend 2-3 hours on this site - EVERYDAY. 90% of the time, posts are edited and left.

Net/net is that if people knowingly break the rules, there are consequences. Just like on every site or in life. You know that if you are caught street racing in CA, they can crush your car, right? Again, as I teach my three year old - decisions have consequences. Make bad decisions and you may not like the consequences.

Thanks
Brad

ryan0

thanks god.


THOU SHALT NOT TYPE FOUR ASTERISKS IN A ROW!

** is fine... ****** is border line.. BUT NO FOUR!

otoupalik

You were given a 1 point infraction, it was your replies and attitude that got you a suspension, not a ban as you posted.

It is clear that you still do not want to take any responsibility for what you wrote, and that is ok. But again, there are consequences as you found.

Thanks
Brad

Carl Lassiter

Your banning of oldgixxer was completely out of line. He's long time member who posts informatively and entertainingly and yet you single him out again. Unlike many of the mods here who do a great job, you come across as aloof and out of touch.

rflow306

Thank you for the explanation.

My question to you is have you thought about how other members would perceive it as favoritism since Jrcart is a well known customer of your company?

ryan0

You're right.. i was unwilling to accept responsibility for using profanity.. because I typed four asterisks.. not profanity.

but hey.. it's YOUR forum right?

otoupalik

Thanks for your post, but you clearly do not have the complete story. Any mod/admin would have banned him for his actions and that will not be lifted. It is not appropriate to discuss details of one user with others, but safe to say that when you attack the site admin and founder with the language and attitude that he did, you would be banned at ANY forum.

As for being "aloof and out of touch" - I am on the site everyday for 3-4 hours. I am here more then most any admin/mod. It is very easy to reach me.

The problem that many users, and specifically the ones listed here, have is that once someone is given a warning or an infraction they have two choices.

1. Take it maturely and accept it. See if perhaps you were out of line, and modify your posting in the future to accept that.

2. Get defensive, claim that you did nothing wrong, attack the site admins and staff, call us oppressive, etc. Then tell everyone else how you were unfairly treated. Post publicly that you were treated poorly (although all that happened was that you were given a 1 point infraction or only a warning).

The users listed above have taken option #2, and that never leads to a good result for that member.

examples:

Juicee63 - given a WARNING, then posts this thread
ryan0 - given a 1 point infraction, then it escalates as he takes option 2
oldgixxer - given a 2 point infraction, then posts a public attack with much venom

This is all uncalled for. People say that we do not act professionally - get real. How is the actions of these users professional? They have made a decision NOT to follow the agreed rules of the site, then they refuse to admit fault and blame the site.

1 and 2 point infractions have little to no impact on the way a user can use this site. They are trivial, but are used to get the point across that the site demands the user to follow the rules.

This is a PRIVATE site. Follow the rules, or you are not welcome. That has been the way of the site since user #1.

Thanks
Brad

otoupalik

To be honest, I don't care. I don't think that way, and it does not impact my actions. People will think what they want and people always chose to think the worst and be negative.

Regardless of what people think, we treat members very even handily. People just rarely have the facts, they just assume that they are being targeted. What they should be thinking about is why they are not following the rules.

First, there is no way for an admin/mod to know if you typed *'s or if it was an auto-edit.

Second, it does not matter, as I told you privately to start with. Attempting to convey the language that we don't allow by using symbols, asterisks, etc is handled in the same manner. We don't allow the words and we don't allow attempts at "beating the system" - and I think you understand that, you are just not willing to accept it.

Thanks
Brad

MB Fanatic

It USED to be his forum. Not anymore. He just stays on as an admin and probably gets some sort of kickback from the new company.

otoupalik

This thread has slightly changed topics.

I am happy to continue to answer legitimate questions or people can post to Juicee63.

Please keep it on track....

thanks
brad

jrcart

Ryan0; not sure what you are implying, but I have "been talked to" by Brad on a couple occasions as well as Vic55 on one occasion. No special treatment here.

...one more thing, don't confuse your poor reading skills with a threat. I'm not going to go back and re-hash this out with you again. It's over and done with and very childish of you to keep bringing trivial things like this back into the light.

JAYCL600

Lets call a spade a spade. Ive been a member of this site since its inception and been around long enough to know how its "works". This site has been sold, none of you are clients or future clients of Evosport so dont think he really cares what anyone thinks, as he has displayed without shame. The money has been made already off the backs of dedicated posters and old time members who really love this site and wholeheartidly contribute to its success. This site has 90K+ members, hes not gonna get ruffled because we, who helped make this place what it is, are complaining about a few bans and infractions. Its sad, but lets be realistic and look at the big picture.
Jason