CLK DTM for sale on ebay
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Holy $h!t! That will make a difference for sure, man that explains a lot. I wonder if the ones Jim raced had this size in front as well. I think I would still take it over a BS. Handling can always be modified. Jim, what mods did the ones you raced against have?
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Further the BS chassis was fully seam welded and triangulated and had the state of the art KW shocks. The BS was just an improved varient and mostly overlooked as to the engineering that went into this vehicle. The BS is just that good.
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Good point, the DTM's front wheels were 19x8.5 compared to the Clk BS of 19x9. However the DTM's rear wheels were 10x20's with more rubber to the BS 19x9.5. The DTM's were still under shod as the torque of the 5.4 was 800nm at 3600 rpm which over-whelmed the ability to put the power down.
Further the BS chassis was fully seam welded and triangulated and had the state of the art KW shocks. The BS was just an improved varient and mostly overlooked as to the engineering that went into this vehicle. The BS is just that good.
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Further the BS chassis was fully seam welded and triangulated and had the state of the art KW shocks. The BS was just an improved varient and mostly overlooked as to the engineering that went into this vehicle. The BS is just that good.
Jimmy
The CLK BS is a fantastic car but the DTM is and absolutely amazing machine and on a different level of big boy toy and collectibility.
Now if I had to make the decision between an SL65 BS and a CLK DTM, it would start to get very difficult as that is more of an apples to apples comparison to me.
BTW, A major factor is the driver on how comfortable they are with difficult cars. No pro driver likes a car that understeers, most excel with neutral or near neutral cars, and a very select few can take an oversteering monster and turn laps that defy logic.
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Good point, the DTM's front wheels were 19x8.5 compared to the Clk BS of 19x9. However the DTM's rear wheels were 10x20's with more rubber to the BS 19x9.5. The DTM's were still under shod as the torque of the 5.4 was 800nm at 3600 rpm which over-whelmed the ability to put the power down.
Further the BS chassis was fully seam welded and triangulated and had the state of the art KW shocks. The BS was just an improved varient and mostly overlooked as to the engineering that went into this vehicle. The BS is just that good.
Jimmy
Further the BS chassis was fully seam welded and triangulated and had the state of the art KW shocks. The BS was just an improved varient and mostly overlooked as to the engineering that went into this vehicle. The BS is just that good.
Jimmy
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I'll try and post some pictures of the DTM's this week. One of the mod'd ones had over 600hp and an insane wing with chromemoly cage as I noticed external shock resevoirs.
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Points well taken but give me a CLK-DTM, a set of custom Moton shocks, some real rubber, and I will see you later.
The CLK BS is a fantastic car but the DTM is and absolutely amazing machine and on a different level of big boy toy and collectibility.
Now if I had to make the decision between an SL65 BS and a CLK DTM, it would start to get very difficult as that is more of an apples to apples comparison to me.
BTW, A major factor is the driver on how comfortable they are with difficult cars. No pro driver likes a car that understeers, most excel with neutral or near neutral cars, and a very select few can take an oversteering monster and turn laps that defy logic.
The CLK BS is a fantastic car but the DTM is and absolutely amazing machine and on a different level of big boy toy and collectibility.
Now if I had to make the decision between an SL65 BS and a CLK DTM, it would start to get very difficult as that is more of an apples to apples comparison to me.
BTW, A major factor is the driver on how comfortable they are with difficult cars. No pro driver likes a car that understeers, most excel with neutral or near neutral cars, and a very select few can take an oversteering monster and turn laps that defy logic.
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Are you sure? Why wouldn't they be? There's more than a few over here, there's vids on youtube of them on the street, and 2 or 3 of them are for sale.
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I thought it was street legal because of the airbag, but I guess the racing harness is not DOT approved...
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The eBay listing states the cost to import included DOT fees. That suggests the car is legal for the US market. Obviously, any purchaser would insist on the paperwork issued by the DOT and EPA regarding the federalization to confirm its status.
If you've ever imported a grey market car from Europe, you'd know that it's brought over the big pond, delivered with a EPA bond to a registered commericial importer who makes the necessary modifications to the vehicle to meet the DOT requirements, modifies the car as necessary to pass an EPA emissions certification (for bond release), and then submits all of the completed paperwork to the NHTSA, which clears the car for release.
Once a car is legally federalized, it can be titled in any state and legally driven on the streets.
Since this car was based on a standard production model offered in the USA, it's entirely possible the car was legally federalized.
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The eBay listing states the cost to import included DOT fees. That suggests the car is legal for the US market. Obviously, any purchaser would insist on the paperwork issued by the DOT and EPA regarding the federalization to confirm its status.
If you've ever imported a grey market car from Europe, you'd know that it's brought over the big pond, delivered with a EPA bond to a registered commericial importer who makes the necessary modifications to the vehicle to meet the DOT requirements, modifies the car as necessary to pass an EPA emissions certification (for bond release), and then submits all of the completed paperwork to the NHTSA, which clears the car for release.
Once a car is legally federalized, it can be titled in any state and legally driven on the streets.
Since this car was based on a standard production model offered in the USA, it's entirely possible the car was legally federalized.
If you've ever imported a grey market car from Europe, you'd know that it's brought over the big pond, delivered with a EPA bond to a registered commericial importer who makes the necessary modifications to the vehicle to meet the DOT requirements, modifies the car as necessary to pass an EPA emissions certification (for bond release), and then submits all of the completed paperwork to the NHTSA, which clears the car for release.
Once a car is legally federalized, it can be titled in any state and legally driven on the streets.
Since this car was based on a standard production model offered in the USA, it's entirely possible the car was legally federalized.
We can all thank Bill Gates for his love of the Porsche 959 and the Show and Display permits.
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Well, without it we wouldn't have any at all. But I still think its BS, I think we should be able to import whatever the hell car we want. Every exotic over here has low miles, Enzos rarely have more than a couple thou, they're legal. I know what you're saying though.
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They say the clk DTM is faster then the SLR, and caused a few issues so they were forced to under rate it just like the E/CLS marketing example 469hp vs 500, which could maen it actuly makes more power then claimed...
The guys that made the CLK DTM are the AMG gear heads. It is a pure race car
I will try and find a list of things i saw different in this car compared to the normal 55k and the SLR
From a power stand point this thing will rape ...it has no bypas flap & much bigger cooling core
like i said will try and find details later on
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hi, ... anything found yet ?
from the search I made time ago I came up only with
- charge pressure to 0.85 bar (12.3 psi) ..should be something like from a 165-170 pulley
- additional radiators integrated into the
front apron
-ECU management
- no twin TOP I/C ... maybe it has the DTM I/C without bypass that is only slightly bigger ..
- maybe same cam and exh valve as slr ...still waiting for confirmation
.. couldn't understand what they meant with "fan-type exhaust
pipes and the new sports exhaust system"
further recently I was confirmed from whom had it at hand that nothing else different, same rods and no ported heads ..
my thinking is that the only BIG difference with ours are FORGED PISTONS, maybe lighter .. and them are responsible for the capability of this car to rev till 7000 redline
read this: Höchstdrehzahl 1/min 7000
Verdichtungsverhältnis 10,5 :1.. this should be the compr. ratio and is a bit strange:
.. should I find confirmation for pistons importance, I'll be soon after them
from the search I made time ago I came up only with
- charge pressure to 0.85 bar (12.3 psi) ..should be something like from a 165-170 pulley
- additional radiators integrated into the
front apron
-ECU management
- no twin TOP I/C ... maybe it has the DTM I/C without bypass that is only slightly bigger ..
- maybe same cam and exh valve as slr ...still waiting for confirmation
.. couldn't understand what they meant with "fan-type exhaust
pipes and the new sports exhaust system"
further recently I was confirmed from whom had it at hand that nothing else different, same rods and no ported heads ..
my thinking is that the only BIG difference with ours are FORGED PISTONS, maybe lighter .. and them are responsible for the capability of this car to rev till 7000 redline
read this: Höchstdrehzahl 1/min 7000
Verdichtungsverhältnis 10,5 :1.. this should be the compr. ratio and is a bit strange:
.. should I find confirmation for pistons importance, I'll be soon after them
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I am not sure it was the same driver...but these were done by the same magazine. You have to remember that the Nürburgring times are somewhat subjective based on at which point the clock starts and stops as the entire track is rarely open to finish the entire lap.
SportAuto, Nürburgring (Nordschleife):
Porsche Carrera GT ------------------------------------- 7.32 min
Porsche GTR 600 Gemballa ---------------------------- 7.32,52 min
Pagani Zonda F ----------------------------- 7.33 min
Porsche 997 GT2 ----------------------------------------- 7.33 min
Koenigsegg CCR --------------------------- 7.34 min
RUF RT12 AWD ---------------------------------------- 7.35min
Porsche 997 TechArt GT street (630hp) -------------------- 7.39 min
Ferrari F430 Scuderia ------------------------------------------- 7.39 min
Porsche Carrera GT --------------------------------- 7.40 min (wet track)
Porsche 911 Techart GT (620hp) ---------------------- 7.43 min
Pagani Zonda S ----------------------------------------- 7.44 min
Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera --------------------------- 7.46 min
Porsche 911 GT2 (462hp) ------------------------------ 7.46 min
Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 -------------------------------- 7.47 min
Porsche 996 GT3 RS ----------------------------------------- 7.47 min
Ferrari 599 GTB -----------------------------------------------7.47 min
Porsche 997 GT3 RS----------------------------------- 7.48 min (R-tire)
Porsche 997 GT3 -------------------------- 7.48 min (R compound tires)
Corvette C6 Z06 ------------------------------------------ 7.49 min
Lamborghini Murciélago -------------------------------- 7.50 min
BMW M3 CSL -------------------------------------------- 7.50 min
Porsche 997S (facelift) --------------------------- 7.50 min (semi-R-tires)
Ford GT -------------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
Lamborghini Gallardo ----------------------------------- 7.52 min
Mercedes SLR ------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
Porsche 997 Turbo ---------------------------- 7.54 min (semi-R-tires)
Porsche 911 GT3 (2003) ------------------------------- 7.54 min
Mercedes CLK-DTM ----------- 7.54 min (R-tires)
Ferrari F430 ------------------------------------------- 7.55 min
Porsche 996 Turbo (420hp) ---------------------------- 7.56 min
Ferrari 360 CS ------------------------------------------- 7.56 min
BMW M6 AC Schnitz. Tensi. (552hp) ------------------ 7.57 min (R-tires)
Lotec-Porsche 993 BiTurbo (1998) --------------------- 7.57 min
Porsche 911 GT3 (old) ---------------------------------- 8.03 min
Aston Martin DBS --------------------------------- 8.02 min
Aston Martin V8 Vantage ---------------------- 8.03 min (R-tires)
Lamborghini Diablo GT --------------------------------- 8.04 min
Audi R8 ----------------------------------- 8.04 min (R compound tires)
Mercedes CLK63 B.S ---- 8.05 min (R compound tires)
BMW M3 E92 ------------------------------ 8.05 min (R compound tires)
Porsche Carrera S (997) -------------------------------- 8.05 min
Ferrari 575M --------------------------------------------- 8.05 min
Ferrari 550M --------------------------------------------- 8.07 min
BMW M6 -------------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Ferrari 360M --------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Honda NSX-R -------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Audi RS4 ----------------------------------- 8.09 min (R compound tires)
Lamborghini Diablo SV ---------------------------------- 8.09 min
Viper GTS (1997) ---------------------------------------- 8.10 min
Donkervoort D8 180R ----------------------------------- 8.10 min
Mercedes SL 55 ------------------------------------------ 8.12 min
Aston Martin V8 Vantage -------------------- 8.13 min (without R-tires)
BMW M5 E60 --------------------------------------------- 8.13 min
Viper SRT-10 --------------------------------------------- 8.13 min
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 ---------------------------------- 8.13 min
Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupe ------------------------------------- 8.14 min
Mercedes SLK55 Black Series--------------------------8.14 min (R-tires)
Mercedes SL 65 ------------------------------------------ 8.14 min
Corvette C6 ---------------------------------------------- 8.15 min
Z4 Alpina Roadster S------------------------------------- 8.15 min
Z4 V8 Topster -------------------------------------------- 8.16 min
Aston Martin DB9 ----------------------------------------- 8.16 min
AC Schnitzer-BMW CLS II (E36) ------------------------- 8.16 min
Aston Martin Vanquish ----------------------------------- 8.17 min
Porsche 996 C2 ------------------------------------------ 8.17 min
Maserati GranSport ------------------------------------- 8.18 min
Ferrari F355----------------------------------------------- 8.18 min
BMW Z8 --------------------------------------------------- 8.18 min
Lexus IS-F --------------------------------------------------- 8.18 min
Corvette C5 Com. Edition -------------------------------- 8.18 min
Audi RS6 -------------------------------------------------- 8.20 min
BMW M3 E46 ---------------------------------------------- 8.22 min
Mercedes C55 --------------------------------------------- 8.22 min
BMW Z3M Coupé ------------------------------------------ 8.22 min
Porsche Boxster S ----------------------------------------- 8.23 min
Porsche 996 C4 ------------------------------------------ 8.23 min
Mercedes SLK 55 ------------------------------------------ 8.24 min
Subaru Impreza WRX STi (265hp) ------------------------- 8.24 min
Porsche Cayman S --------------------------------------- 8.25 min
Jaguar XKR (415hp) --------------------------------------- 8.25 min
Audi RS4 (old) --------------------------------------------- 8.25 min
Mitsubishi EVO7 -------------------------------------------- 8.25 min
Audi S5 --------------------------------------------------- 8.26 min
BMW 335i --------------------------------------------- 8.26 min
Nissan 350Z ------------------------------------------------ 8.26 min
Mercedes SLK 32 ------------------------------------------- 8.26 min
BMW M5 E39 ------------------------------------------------ 8.28 min
Audi S4 Avant (new) ---------------------------------------- 8.29 min
Audi TT-S ---------------------------------------------------8.29 min
Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa ------------------------------ 8.30 min
BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (231hp) --------------------------------- 8.32 min
BMW Z3M Roadster ---------------------------------------- 8.32 min
Lotus Exige -------------------------------------------------- 8.32 min
Porsche Boxster S (252 hp) -------------------------------- 8.32 min
BMW Z4 3.0 Coupé ----------------------------------------- 8.32 min
Opel Speedster --------------------------------------------- 8.34 min
Brabus-Mercedes C V8 Sportcoupé ------------------------ 8.35 min
Mercedes C32 ---------------------------------------------- 8.37 min
Golf R32 ----------------------------------------------------- 8.37 min
Subaru Impreza GT (218hp) ------------------------------- 8.37 min
Maserati 3200 GT ------------------------------------------- 8.37 min
Mercedes SL 500 -------------------------------------------- 8.38 min
Brabus-Mercedes CLK 5.8 (1998) -------------------------- 8.38 min
Morgan Aero 8 ----------------------------------------------- 8.39 min
Honda S2000 ------------------------------------------------ 8.39 min
Audi TT 2.0 TFSI --------------------------------------------- 8.40 min
Audi S3 (1999) ---------------------------------------------- 8.41 min
Audi S4 (old) ------------------------------------------------ 8.42 min
Volvo C30 T5 --------------------------------------------------- 8.45 min
VW Scirocco 2.0 TSI DSG ------------------------------------- 8.47 min
Honda Civic Type-R ----------------------------------------- 8.47 min
Renault Clio Sport V6 (226hp) ----------------------------- 8.49 min
Audi TT 1.8T quattro ---------------------------------------- 8.49 min
Jaguar XKR (1998) ------------------------------------------ 8.49 min
Alfa 156 GTA ------------------------------------------------- 8.51 min
Mercedes C43 AMG ------------------------------------------ 8.51 min
Golf GTI DSG (200hp) --------------------------------------- 8.52 min
Golf GTI 1.8T ------------------------------------------------ 8.54 min
Mini Cooper S Works ---------------------------------------- 8.55 min
Mercedes SLK 230 (2001) ----------------------------------- 9.07 min
SportAuto, Nürburgring (Nordschleife):
Porsche Carrera GT ------------------------------------- 7.32 min
Porsche GTR 600 Gemballa ---------------------------- 7.32,52 min
Pagani Zonda F ----------------------------- 7.33 min
Porsche 997 GT2 ----------------------------------------- 7.33 min
Koenigsegg CCR --------------------------- 7.34 min
RUF RT12 AWD ---------------------------------------- 7.35min
Porsche 997 TechArt GT street (630hp) -------------------- 7.39 min
Ferrari F430 Scuderia ------------------------------------------- 7.39 min
Porsche Carrera GT --------------------------------- 7.40 min (wet track)
Porsche 911 Techart GT (620hp) ---------------------- 7.43 min
Pagani Zonda S ----------------------------------------- 7.44 min
Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera --------------------------- 7.46 min
Porsche 911 GT2 (462hp) ------------------------------ 7.46 min
Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 -------------------------------- 7.47 min
Porsche 996 GT3 RS ----------------------------------------- 7.47 min
Ferrari 599 GTB -----------------------------------------------7.47 min
Porsche 997 GT3 RS----------------------------------- 7.48 min (R-tire)
Porsche 997 GT3 -------------------------- 7.48 min (R compound tires)
Corvette C6 Z06 ------------------------------------------ 7.49 min
Lamborghini Murciélago -------------------------------- 7.50 min
BMW M3 CSL -------------------------------------------- 7.50 min
Porsche 997S (facelift) --------------------------- 7.50 min (semi-R-tires)
Ford GT -------------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
Lamborghini Gallardo ----------------------------------- 7.52 min
Mercedes SLR ------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
Porsche 997 Turbo ---------------------------- 7.54 min (semi-R-tires)
Porsche 911 GT3 (2003) ------------------------------- 7.54 min
Mercedes CLK-DTM ----------- 7.54 min (R-tires)
Ferrari F430 ------------------------------------------- 7.55 min
Porsche 996 Turbo (420hp) ---------------------------- 7.56 min
Ferrari 360 CS ------------------------------------------- 7.56 min
BMW M6 AC Schnitz. Tensi. (552hp) ------------------ 7.57 min (R-tires)
Lotec-Porsche 993 BiTurbo (1998) --------------------- 7.57 min
Porsche 911 GT3 (old) ---------------------------------- 8.03 min
Aston Martin DBS --------------------------------- 8.02 min
Aston Martin V8 Vantage ---------------------- 8.03 min (R-tires)
Lamborghini Diablo GT --------------------------------- 8.04 min
Audi R8 ----------------------------------- 8.04 min (R compound tires)
Mercedes CLK63 B.S ---- 8.05 min (R compound tires)
BMW M3 E92 ------------------------------ 8.05 min (R compound tires)
Porsche Carrera S (997) -------------------------------- 8.05 min
Ferrari 575M --------------------------------------------- 8.05 min
Ferrari 550M --------------------------------------------- 8.07 min
BMW M6 -------------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Ferrari 360M --------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Honda NSX-R -------------------------------------------- 8.09 min
Audi RS4 ----------------------------------- 8.09 min (R compound tires)
Lamborghini Diablo SV ---------------------------------- 8.09 min
Viper GTS (1997) ---------------------------------------- 8.10 min
Donkervoort D8 180R ----------------------------------- 8.10 min
Mercedes SL 55 ------------------------------------------ 8.12 min
Aston Martin V8 Vantage -------------------- 8.13 min (without R-tires)
BMW M5 E60 --------------------------------------------- 8.13 min
Viper SRT-10 --------------------------------------------- 8.13 min
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 ---------------------------------- 8.13 min
Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupe ------------------------------------- 8.14 min
Mercedes SLK55 Black Series--------------------------8.14 min (R-tires)
Mercedes SL 65 ------------------------------------------ 8.14 min
Corvette C6 ---------------------------------------------- 8.15 min
Z4 Alpina Roadster S------------------------------------- 8.15 min
Z4 V8 Topster -------------------------------------------- 8.16 min
Aston Martin DB9 ----------------------------------------- 8.16 min
AC Schnitzer-BMW CLS II (E36) ------------------------- 8.16 min
Aston Martin Vanquish ----------------------------------- 8.17 min
Porsche 996 C2 ------------------------------------------ 8.17 min
Maserati GranSport ------------------------------------- 8.18 min
Ferrari F355----------------------------------------------- 8.18 min
BMW Z8 --------------------------------------------------- 8.18 min
Lexus IS-F --------------------------------------------------- 8.18 min
Corvette C5 Com. Edition -------------------------------- 8.18 min
Audi RS6 -------------------------------------------------- 8.20 min
BMW M3 E46 ---------------------------------------------- 8.22 min
Mercedes C55 --------------------------------------------- 8.22 min
BMW Z3M Coupé ------------------------------------------ 8.22 min
Porsche Boxster S ----------------------------------------- 8.23 min
Porsche 996 C4 ------------------------------------------ 8.23 min
Mercedes SLK 55 ------------------------------------------ 8.24 min
Subaru Impreza WRX STi (265hp) ------------------------- 8.24 min
Porsche Cayman S --------------------------------------- 8.25 min
Jaguar XKR (415hp) --------------------------------------- 8.25 min
Audi RS4 (old) --------------------------------------------- 8.25 min
Mitsubishi EVO7 -------------------------------------------- 8.25 min
Audi S5 --------------------------------------------------- 8.26 min
BMW 335i --------------------------------------------- 8.26 min
Nissan 350Z ------------------------------------------------ 8.26 min
Mercedes SLK 32 ------------------------------------------- 8.26 min
BMW M5 E39 ------------------------------------------------ 8.28 min
Audi S4 Avant (new) ---------------------------------------- 8.29 min
Audi TT-S ---------------------------------------------------8.29 min
Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa ------------------------------ 8.30 min
BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (231hp) --------------------------------- 8.32 min
BMW Z3M Roadster ---------------------------------------- 8.32 min
Lotus Exige -------------------------------------------------- 8.32 min
Porsche Boxster S (252 hp) -------------------------------- 8.32 min
BMW Z4 3.0 Coupé ----------------------------------------- 8.32 min
Opel Speedster --------------------------------------------- 8.34 min
Brabus-Mercedes C V8 Sportcoupé ------------------------ 8.35 min
Mercedes C32 ---------------------------------------------- 8.37 min
Golf R32 ----------------------------------------------------- 8.37 min
Subaru Impreza GT (218hp) ------------------------------- 8.37 min
Maserati 3200 GT ------------------------------------------- 8.37 min
Mercedes SL 500 -------------------------------------------- 8.38 min
Brabus-Mercedes CLK 5.8 (1998) -------------------------- 8.38 min
Morgan Aero 8 ----------------------------------------------- 8.39 min
Honda S2000 ------------------------------------------------ 8.39 min
Audi TT 2.0 TFSI --------------------------------------------- 8.40 min
Audi S3 (1999) ---------------------------------------------- 8.41 min
Audi S4 (old) ------------------------------------------------ 8.42 min
Volvo C30 T5 --------------------------------------------------- 8.45 min
VW Scirocco 2.0 TSI DSG ------------------------------------- 8.47 min
Honda Civic Type-R ----------------------------------------- 8.47 min
Renault Clio Sport V6 (226hp) ----------------------------- 8.49 min
Audi TT 1.8T quattro ---------------------------------------- 8.49 min
Jaguar XKR (1998) ------------------------------------------ 8.49 min
Alfa 156 GTA ------------------------------------------------- 8.51 min
Mercedes C43 AMG ------------------------------------------ 8.51 min
Golf GTI DSG (200hp) --------------------------------------- 8.52 min
Golf GTI 1.8T ------------------------------------------------ 8.54 min
Mini Cooper S Works ---------------------------------------- 8.55 min
Mercedes SLK 230 (2001) ----------------------------------- 9.07 min