Nope no drinks yet buddy, I realize you're referring to (2) seperate Ball-Breaker Dynodynamics, it doesn't change anything Hussain's S600 results are On-Par for ANY DynoJet readings, NO freak lol 13-14 psi Bone Stock come now, you think they slipped larger 65 AMG Turbo wheels in his S600

The only way you'd be correct is if his boost was higher than normal while stock it wasn't, also to make the EXACT same #'s the highest DynoJet spits out on same models contradicts your theory @ least on 600/65 #'s on these particular Chicago DD's

 

As soon as I saw the engine compartment and wheels I knew it was your beast. Good luck with the new tune!

 

Thanks!

 

Yes Sean he's dyno'd high on TWO completely separate DDs. Different machines, different shops, different operators 40 miles apart, different time of year, etc., etc. You tell me how he could pull freakishly high numbers twice at two different dynos. I don't know how to explain it, other than it's a freak! No other 600 has made those numbers around here (at Fluid or CPT), so I don't know how to explain it.

That's not necessarily true, but it is a good point that boost seemed to be inline with stock. I can show you 3 tuned 600s in the past year making 450-460rwhp on local DDs. There could be other things in the motor/programming that Hussain is not aware of because he bought it used. I have not been in/around his car to see it myself but the fact that he did it in two places on two different days I think takes the "freak dyno" out of the picture.

-m

 

Absolutely! I'm really interested to see what she does at the track! Thanks!

 

Congrats on the tune!!!! It sounds like you have an amazing car with some huge power. Forget about the dyno numbers that everyone stresses so much here on the forum and get out there and smash your previous PB's. Good luck and I can't wait to see ya in the 10's.

 

OK.. agree to disagree bud!

 

LOL you run Nitrous & your Dyno's are Fluffy I kid, I kid...

 

I agree! Any computer can be manipulated to read whatever the programmer wishes. Obviously, I was concerned about what the final outcome would be. Let me throw this into the mix. I got there at 10:00 in the morning. I had no set appointment, and Jeremy was nice enough to fit me in. Now I didn't leave until 8:00pm, I was on/off the dyno from 12-8 with them addressing the pump relay. If they were interested in just getting me out of there with some fictitious numbers, why not just flash me and send me on my way at 11am? Understand that there were two other cars, with schedulled appointments, waiting for me to get off the dyno. That wouldn't be very cost effective, to have paying customers waiting I know that my car runs faster, stronger since then. Believe me, if there was some BS involved, I would be the first to speak up. Please see previous dyno from 7/07 at different shop attached!07 AMG DYNO.pdf

 

Haha, you got me....fricken dyno queen . That would be like my accusing you of roids . JK .

If you would ever make a track event and stop dyno'ing your car you could check for yourself..... Just kidding.

 

I don't think we disagree Sean... I mean unless you think both DDs here are screwy *and* the 3 other tuned 600s that I've seen dyno this year, all of which were lower than Hussains, are all just down on power?

I cannot explain why Hussain's car has dyno'd so high, I really can't. I just don't think it's the dyno, but hey, I could be wrong.

Sorry to hijack your thread Dave...

-m

 

Hehehe Roids? Muah on roids surely you jest or maybe just maybe

 

That's where I think these particular DD's are weird, when Dynoing 600/65's #'s are all over the place, I do know from my exp w/Superflow Dyno (very similar to Mustangs, if you don't have Curb Weight set exactly right for ea vehicle can skew #'s higher/lower) who knows

 

Nick and Brian both know my car's history since the day it was originally bought and both have confirmed that it was bone stock when I bought it.

https://mbworld.org/forums/s55-amg-s...cu-tune-2.html

 

Congrats on the 490 ENDSMTG! I remember the day we dyno'd at CPT a couple of months ago your car was running around 440's while I did 465 but you had some boost and O2 sensor problem.

Can't wait to see what your car runs at the track...lets hit up GLD sometime soon now that the weather is cooling up!

Oh yeah Marcus...its was 125mph but at 12.0 :P.

 

Haha...still at it Marcus. Is it really that hard to believe that my car isn't in the 500's with 130 mph trap speed when your SL dyno's 490 with 121 trap in similar conditions? I don't find it that hard to believe unless I'm missing something.

Maybe we should have a sticky regarding dyno numbers so we don't muck up other peoples thread .

BTW...Mike also ran a 124 mph at Famoso with his car dyno'ing at 484 on Dyno Comps DD. That must also be a very high DD...right? It has to go both ways here because your dyno numbers don't make any sense either...right? I'm just trying to get some clarification why you think you have the biggest heartbreak dyno in the world? His run was aslo done in similar conditions .

Also keep in mind that our highest trap speeds came with our best ET and 60' time. Where in most cases you see people posting record trap speeds separate from their best ET's. To me, PB trap speeds should come along with your best ET. JMHO.

 

You can change different parameters on different dynos. On DD's you can change the load on the car. There is a setting called shootout mode or something and this sets all the parameters so you can compare cars dyno'd on different DD's around the world. Obviously there are still factors that weigh in on the final numbers.

 

Am I at it again, or are you? I'm posting in a thread about a friend of mine who's dyno'd here in Chicago at two Dynos I am familiar with. People are attacking his numbers, and I am responding. I don't have the biggest heart breaker in the world. There are TWO, yes, TWO Dyno Dynamics here that both have shown similar numbers for cars that have been in both places. Not everyone on the forums knows that DD read lower than the popular Dynojet. I go by what they tell me. Dave dyno'd on both of these TWO DDs, that is why I am in this thread. This isn't a thread about someone who dyno'd on a DD in never never land. I am posting here because people are attacking Dave's numbers. I am not "at it again", I am contributing to the forum in a thread where my experience is relevant.

I mentioned the Dyno out by you solely because serge was asking about the low #s and for WHATEVER reason, the two DDs out here read lower than your DD out there, apparently. It's not because we have nothing but heartbreakers out here, it's because it is what it is.

Your car to be at 500rwhp on a DD is believable. As far as I can see you and Dave have very, very similar mods, except you have a 2mm larger TB. You are telling me 2mm TB makes 50rwhp over Dave, even with both of you having custom PC tunes? 540 just seems high to me. In my experience an E55 that does around 450-460rwhp on DD will do 124-126 mph in the 1/4 (based on 2 local cars). Your car supposedly does 100rwhp more, but only gets 4-6mph more. I'm sorry alan, you take things so personally, but it just does not add up with what I have seen. I don't know why everytime I post about DDs you have to come on here and give me a hard time about me not believing you but it is what it is.

I congratulated Dave on his numbers but we will have to see what he traps. I've never seen a 55 off spray lay down those numbers on a DD. When Dave and I spoke afterwards I told him that I thought Fluid's dyno was pretty accurate, but that maybe he should compare it himself if he feels the #s might be off. I did not know about the water pump issue and those things, but how that changes things I do not know.

In regards to your 55 versus my 65... not really a straightforward comparison. Different chassis, engines, weights, etc. I will have my E55 at the track soon and probably be taking my 65 back as well to see what they can do. I know Dave will be game as well.

-m

 

There is a shootout mode on DD but Fluid was not using it (at least not when I stopped by) and CPT doesn't even know how to. I have never seen shoot out mode in person. The manipulation you are talking about (I think) is when you bypass RPM pickup and use the gearing input. You bring the car up to a certain speed in the RPM you want to dyno in and then you manually input the RPM to the machine for it to calculated gearing. Fluid was doing manual gear input, which I think may sway #s a little bit, but not night and day. I much prefer using RPM pickup but in Fluid's defense it is finicky and losing an RPM signal through a pull is a waste of time and money especially when you are booked up.

 

There's only one that has been the exception, Hussain's car. The rest have all been relatively in line with each other.

I am not familiar with superflow dynos.

 

post up the shootout mode numbers....I bet you 5 bucks there 40whp less lol the whole reason people call the dynodynamics the heartbreak dyno is because how low it reads in shootout mode.

this mode is a set of correction factors that all DD can use to compare with another.If it wasnt in shoot out mode who knows what they were doing to make these numbers

 

^ EXACTLY!

The easy way to tell if shootout mode was used during dynoing is to look at the readout. It says shootout at the bottom if it was. See attached dyno for an example

 

for comparison,a friends e46 m3 put down 275whp on a dynojet and the next day 224 on a dd in shoot out mode.

same gas,same weather 490in shoot out mode is 580+ on a dynojet

 

I think you might be taking things personal. I'm just trying to have a discussion based on track times and dyno numbers. Could you please have these guys post up their slips so we could see what they ran and when? All my videos and slips are posted and from there we could have a fair comparison.

How about I start another thread and we could have a full on discussion without disrupting someone else's thread

 

Neither dyno was in shoot out mode, nor have I ever seen either in shootout mode. Additionally, I do not have experience with shootout mode to tell you whether or not the numbers are lower or higher than in regular mode.

There's correction factors with any dyno. CPT inputs the weather conditions directly from the weather station next to the dyno, and Fluid's has sensors onboard that automatically feed the info to have the CF calculated. Neither of them have manipulated weather conditions to my knowledge.

-m