chiromikey

your last statement in parenthesis is why it hasn't been accomplished with success on this platform. besides the "it should work" or "they're both combustion engine" arguments, it's totally differenent ballgame tuning gm's compared to amg's.

prodigymb

well there is a member that does have W/M on here ..

chiromikey

I know of several members that have tried it but most attempts haven't worked and the others have yet to offer any proof of gains...

don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a cheap chemical i/c alternative to the stupid prices of other i/c options.

stevebez

The right location to me is in the elbow section of the intercooler housing leading from the S/C outlet - drag most of the heat out of the boosted air before it hits the intercooler and then let the I/C do some work too. This way you get the right IAT temps reading too. You also avoid pumping something into the S/C screws... which I would avoid at all costs also nothing much to cool down at the inlet side its the outlet that carries the energy.

Not sure if the MAF system here gets all wierd as you are now adding another dimension to the mixture (even if its all water) that the ECU does not know about....

ito of cooling I think this is the best answer ever - even perfect for our amll intercooler setup - you wont need extra heat exchangers and rear reservoirs - ... but the electronics side dont want to play ball...

prodigymb

problem is nozzle placement. to get the best gains from W/M you def want to spray after the S/C and before the IAT. which leads to doing into the intercooler....i'll start looking into it since i am going to have to lift the blower soon anyway to change my 80mm tb to a 90mm.

C32madness

If we get guys to post time slips I bet we will find that the larger pulley group will be much stronger in the first 1/8 of a mile than the smaller pulley group. The smaller pulley people will have the advantage and close the gap in the second 1/8 of a mile.

IMHO what we are seeing is the thermal reserves being used up faster with the big pullies than the smaller ones thus the mimimal difference at the end of the 1/4 mile.

So which is better for you? In daily driving for best overall performance the larger pulley wins out. For long 0-??? runs the smaller pulley has the advantage.

Full Throttle

The solution is pull the whole blower I/C H/E system off. Install two 67mm turbos, a sheet metal intake manifold and a large FMIC.

Gator AMG

Has anyone tried putting dedicated electric high speed fans on the back of the intercooler that are switched either manually or off of a thermostat reading the intercooler fluid temperature?

I have two intercoolers on my CLS55, one in front of the other with about 3-4 inches between them, and I have thought about putting two Spal high-speed fans on the back side of the rear intercooler and using aluminum or tin to make a sealed funnel / shroud between the two. The fans would pull a large amount of air across both intercoolers when necessary to improve cooling efficiency and ensure rapid thermal recovery.

chiromikey

yes...and what i managed to prove (as if it wasn't known already) is that the i/c core is the weakest link not the h/e's.

stevebez

Thats why I cannot believe water - meth does not work on our cars...

not that I have tried but others have and no one is jumping up and down with their fabulous results...

Marcus Frost

mikey,

Any thoughts on an upgraded IC, maybe without going SLR style, just something to replace the crappy stock unit?

-m

chiromikey

thought about it plenty. there's the option of a dtm style cooler which is slightly larger or just cutting out the oem core and fitting in the largest core possible in the tiny amount of space available. i keep coming to the same conclusion...imho, the small size increase just isn't worth the time/money.

dyno

I am finally ready to do that mod now
and need to find a shop here able and willing to do a fine work at a reasonable $$ ..

stevebez

Wow marco VERY nice.... It's only when you see the IC in location how big they really are...

Alot of headaches tho.... Gosh so many come to mind can't think where I would start - if only the IC was 25% smaller.... The SLR has acres of space yet that bonnet is FULL of gear...

Keep us updated!!!

dyno

is just sitting upon ..

I am even ready to mod the hood (and making small vents as Rapide, Conti and many others have ..)
but the biggest problem is that the space between suspension domes is what it is and I think that it s not possible to cut anything there ..

hooleyboy

Do what ever you got to do to make those bad Larry's fit. Looks like a custom intake is in order. I'm sure you have seen how the guy with the SLR motor did it in his E55.

dyno

I have seen some solutions...that I don't like very much
but my idea would be to keep its design close to the original slr one.
in any case, the custom intake is not a great problem especially after you raise a bit the hood

problem remains the need to make custom collectors to intercoolers .. really sad to have to mod their shape

but, even for those custom collectors, unfortunately no more news from the Stock-to-AWE Project ...

Forrest Gump 9

That was my plan too, but apparently no-one can tune that in the mb yet.

Nait Sirhc

Why the hell would you ever CHOOSE to go air-to-air? Good lord.

Full Throttle

Because it works.

Full Throttle

Or build it for less than it costs to build a 1000hp something else twin turbos is the only real option. Pull all the blower crap off, fab up a intake manifold and drop a nice big FMIC out front.

aleksandar1099

Wow! That looks like an amazing project!

blackbenzz

Standalone
So then what are you waiting for?

Full Throttle

The real tuners to get involved.

blackbenzz

You mean the ones that have built the quickest and fastest cars in the world? How long is the wait?