The 6.2 V8 has potential for 600+ hp
11-02-2009, 05:37 PM
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The 6.2 V8 has potential for 600+ hp
This is an article about the SLS, but I found it interesting that there is more than 600 horsepower available for the M159 engine with the use of a new intake manifold, cams, raised compression, and other tweaks.
I hope the tuners will be able to do similar things at a reasonable cost (sans raised compression) since there really isn't much else aside from headers and a tune for this engine which tend to yield around 30 hp.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/244508/
I wonder why they continue developing the M159 when they have the new TTV8 coming out in the next CLS AMG which of course will be used in all future AMGs and should be far easier to increase horsepower with by raising the boost:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/244507/
I hope the tuners will be able to do similar things at a reasonable cost (sans raised compression) since there really isn't much else aside from headers and a tune for this engine which tend to yield around 30 hp.
AMG has kicked off development of a powered-up and pared- down version of its soon-to-be-launched SLS following an official green light from Mercedes-Benz chairman Dieter Zetsche.
The new German super-coupe, tentatively due to go into limited production in 2013, is planned to join an exclusive range of Mercedes-Benz performance cars wearing the AMG Black Series name at a price, Stuttgart insiders hint.
Read the first drive of the standard SLS
It will add at least 50 per cent to the standard SLS’s UK price of around £155k - a move that looks set to pitch it into direct competition with the recently upgraded Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano fitted with Maranello’s latest handling package upgrades.
Describing the SLS AMG Black Series - plans for which have existed ever since a decision was made in 2006 to revive the Gullwing - Mercedes-Benz insiders have told Autocar it will be differentiated from the standard SLS in very much the same vain as the Chevrolet ZR1 is removed from the Chevrolet C06.
At the heart of the go-fast Gullwing is a reworked version of the SLS’s M159 engine. The 6.2-litre V8, already far removed from similar-sized and configured units found in other AMG models, kicks out 563bhp and 479lb ft of torque in standard guise.
For the SLS AMG Black Series, however, its reserves are set to be raised beyond 600bhp and 500lb ft through the inclusion of a larger air manifold, higher compression ratio, reprofiled camshafts and other unspecified tweaks.
“We’re not at the limit with what’s out there the moment. There’s still a good deal more to come from the engine,” says AMG engine boss Friedrich Eichler. “We’re saving the best until last.”
The uprated V8 will continue to place drive through the SLS’s seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox to the rear wheels, with a mechanical locking differential set to be included as part of the upgraded driveline package.
Despite running similar gearing, the added engine reserves, together with detailed aerodynamic tweaks and a 50kg reduction in kerb weight, promise to bring the 0-62mph time down from the standard car’s claimed 3.8sec to under 3.5sec, while raising top speed from 195mph to 208mph.
The new German super-coupe, tentatively due to go into limited production in 2013, is planned to join an exclusive range of Mercedes-Benz performance cars wearing the AMG Black Series name at a price, Stuttgart insiders hint.
Read the first drive of the standard SLS
It will add at least 50 per cent to the standard SLS’s UK price of around £155k - a move that looks set to pitch it into direct competition with the recently upgraded Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano fitted with Maranello’s latest handling package upgrades.
Describing the SLS AMG Black Series - plans for which have existed ever since a decision was made in 2006 to revive the Gullwing - Mercedes-Benz insiders have told Autocar it will be differentiated from the standard SLS in very much the same vain as the Chevrolet ZR1 is removed from the Chevrolet C06.
At the heart of the go-fast Gullwing is a reworked version of the SLS’s M159 engine. The 6.2-litre V8, already far removed from similar-sized and configured units found in other AMG models, kicks out 563bhp and 479lb ft of torque in standard guise.
For the SLS AMG Black Series, however, its reserves are set to be raised beyond 600bhp and 500lb ft through the inclusion of a larger air manifold, higher compression ratio, reprofiled camshafts and other unspecified tweaks.
“We’re not at the limit with what’s out there the moment. There’s still a good deal more to come from the engine,” says AMG engine boss Friedrich Eichler. “We’re saving the best until last.”
The uprated V8 will continue to place drive through the SLS’s seven-speed dual-clutch gearbox to the rear wheels, with a mechanical locking differential set to be included as part of the upgraded driveline package.
Despite running similar gearing, the added engine reserves, together with detailed aerodynamic tweaks and a 50kg reduction in kerb weight, promise to bring the 0-62mph time down from the standard car’s claimed 3.8sec to under 3.5sec, while raising top speed from 195mph to 208mph.
I wonder why they continue developing the M159 when they have the new TTV8 coming out in the next CLS AMG which of course will be used in all future AMGs and should be far easier to increase horsepower with by raising the boost:
The Mercedes CLS is being fine-tuned for production ahead of its launch at next year’s Paris motor show.
It will be the firm’s first model to get a new range of turbocharged, direct injection petrol engines. All of these units will be turbocharged when the car goes on sale soon after its unveiling.
Mercedes isn’t moving too far from the four-door coupe theme that it pioneered. Although the car will be recognisably a CLS, the styling is all new, with a significantly different rear end with new rear lights and a very different boot lid.
The frameless doors remain and the rear arches mimic the distinctive shape of the E-class coupe.
The new engine line up starts with a 3.0-litre V6 with 252 and 306bhp. Two big petrol twin-turbo V8s will be available, a 4.6 with 435bhp and a 5.5 with 544bhp.
The diesels include the new 2.1-litre four-cylinder with 204bhp and an upgraded 3.0-litre V6 with 231bhp.
Underneath the CLS is based on the new E-class, but doesn’t get an extended wheelbase; at 2874mm it’s the same as the new E-class and the current CLS. The car will be 4925mm long.
Inside the car will retain its unique dashboard and a four-seat layout, using switchgear and elements from the new E-class.
It will be the firm’s first model to get a new range of turbocharged, direct injection petrol engines. All of these units will be turbocharged when the car goes on sale soon after its unveiling.
Mercedes isn’t moving too far from the four-door coupe theme that it pioneered. Although the car will be recognisably a CLS, the styling is all new, with a significantly different rear end with new rear lights and a very different boot lid.
The frameless doors remain and the rear arches mimic the distinctive shape of the E-class coupe.
The new engine line up starts with a 3.0-litre V6 with 252 and 306bhp. Two big petrol twin-turbo V8s will be available, a 4.6 with 435bhp and a 5.5 with 544bhp.
The diesels include the new 2.1-litre four-cylinder with 204bhp and an upgraded 3.0-litre V6 with 231bhp.
Underneath the CLS is based on the new E-class, but doesn’t get an extended wheelbase; at 2874mm it’s the same as the new E-class and the current CLS. The car will be 4925mm long.
Inside the car will retain its unique dashboard and a four-seat layout, using switchgear and elements from the new E-class.
11-02-2009, 06:22 PM
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With AMG using the 63 platform in the SLS you going to find a wealth of parts I would think. Parts that will be somewhat interchangeable. As we know the 55k, 55NA and 55SLR share common parts. People have been swapping cams, throttle bodies, and in my case, even superchargers off other 55 platforms. I would expect the same to happen with the SLS.
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But even with all the parts and mods they changed, the SLS was only brought up to 570 bhp. The M156 engine was already at 518 bhp in the SL63. So after all the changes, we only get a +50 hp 
I would've liked to see 620 to 650 bhp.
I would've liked to see 620 to 650 bhp.
11-02-2009, 08:55 PM
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In the end I think tuners are just waiting for the TT V8 since it has so much more potential than the N/A 6.2. Eventually I hope to see 700 hp AMGs running around. Sounds like a lot but the Corvette supercharged V8 is being thrown into Caddys and now Camaros (Z28).
The SLS black series is supposed to have over 600 hp (100 hp per liter).
The SLS black series is supposed to have over 600 hp (100 hp per liter).
11-02-2009, 09:25 PM
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In the end I think tuners are just waiting for the TT V8 since it has so much more potential than the N/A 6.2. Eventually I hope to see 700 hp AMGs running around. Sounds like a lot but the Corvette supercharged V8 is being thrown into Caddys and now Camaros (Z28).
The SLS black series is supposed to have over 600 hp (100 hp per liter).
The SLS black series is supposed to have over 600 hp (100 hp per liter).
11-02-2009, 10:22 PM
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11-03-2009, 12:17 AM
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Haha...didn't you see my new dyno numbers? That's what I'm going with now 
. Just recently someone asked what my car dyno's and I said 450 rwhp, I followed it with "why, do you want to run" . It's much better having lower than higher numbers because this way no one cares about your car.
. Just recently someone asked what my car dyno's and I said 450 rwhp, I followed it with "why, do you want to run" . It's much better having lower than higher numbers because this way no one cares about your car.
11-03-2009, 01:17 AM
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I don't know what Mike is running but I would bet BIG that he is packing some major heat compared to last time we were at Famoso...
Haha...didn't you see my new dyno numbers? That's what I'm going with now . Just recently someone asked what my car dyno's and I said 450 rwhp, I followed it with "why, do you want to run" . It's much better having lower than higher numbers because this way no one cares about your car.
. Just recently someone asked what my car dyno's and I said 450 rwhp, I followed it with "why, do you want to run" . It's much better having lower than higher numbers because this way no one cares about your car.
11-03-2009, 02:11 AM
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