My E55 (stock) vs e60 M5
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Hey guys it was a fun night of races just got back home!!!
The video will be up tomrrow, i will work on it after i come home from school but the races were really close!!! it was alot of fun. M5 held its own but both very respectable!
The video will be up tomrrow, i will work on it after i come home from school but the races were really close!!! it was alot of fun. M5 held its own but both very respectable!
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Don't get me wrong but I have been on these forums for a while and everyone has hyped up the top end of the M's and they definetly do have power up there but the way I've read about it I would expect to get walked extremely hard.
We reached speeds up to 140mph and it was a very slow creep and it was a back to back run for me so we definetly reached high speeds. I'm not taking anything away from the M because it's fast but to me, if anything the top end on the M5 is slightly better
. I hope I'm not starting a war lolol. It's my opinion and the vids will speak for itself.
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whole point is that his car is stock for these videos. stock is what makes it interesting i think since there are a bunch of rumors that overhype the M top end. don't get me wrong it's there and they are screamers up top and i'm sure at 160 it would have probably got ahead, just not to extent of putting buses on stock E55.
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whole point is that his car is stock for these videos. stock is what makes it interesting i think since there are a bunch of rumors that overhype the M top end. don't get me wrong it's there and they are screamers up top and i'm sure at 160 it would have probably got ahead, just not to extent of putting buses on stock E55.
That's basically what I'm saying.
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I got the Cm30 johnson pump on my car but no h/e. Videos will be posted tom night by brisku. It was pretty krazy to see that neither car can get away from each other on low rolls and even on the top end.
Don't get me wrong but I have been on these forums for a while and everyone has hyped up the top end of the M's and they definetly do have power up there but the way I've read about it I would expect to get walked extremely hard.
We reached speeds up to 140mph and it was a very slow creep and it was a back to back run for me so we definetly reached high speeds. I'm not taking anything away from the M because it's fast but to me, if anything the top end on the M5 is slightly better. I hope I'm not starting a war lolol. It's my opinion and the vids will speak for itself.
Don't get me wrong but I have been on these forums for a while and everyone has hyped up the top end of the M's and they definetly do have power up there but the way I've read about it I would expect to get walked extremely hard.
We reached speeds up to 140mph and it was a very slow creep and it was a back to back run for me so we definetly reached high speeds. I'm not taking anything away from the M because it's fast but to me, if anything the top end on the M5 is slightly better
. I hope I'm not starting a war lolol. It's my opinion and the vids will speak for itself.
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A lot of the races have to do with the specific car (our engines are hand assembled by different people after all) and the driver are two main factors. Also the weather conditions and little things lice AC, tire pressure, cooling temp. etc. will have an impact on how the race goes.
Same happened tonight except for only 1 race where it began to creep at 140mph. I don't have the videos of the M5 a few weeks ago but after racing him and I got to race a different M5 with identical results. The vids are coming tom night and after racing 2 M5's who are running properly vs my properly running E55 I don't see how there is anything else that could have been done for either car in a stock vs stock race.
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Yea after school tomrrow i will work on the vids..
The M5 top end will no way walk away on the E55, it will creep a little forward, but not enough to make car lengths, or even a car length to 155mph.
Both great cars and damn fast in there own way, TQ vs HP/high rev
P.s. Mthis was the driver of the M5, he was in manual, traction off, p 500 sport, smg mode 6 which is the fastest, so fastest settings were enabled.
Great runs and damn even.. I felt that the E55 had a little more midrange feel to it where it would creep in the 60-100mph range, but when i say creep not enough to make a car length, maybe a quarter car length, but the M5 top end would make that midrange back and would be even and then a small creep.
To my surprise on the 20mph roll the M5 was able to keep up about dead even with the monster TQ of the E55, E55 would then creep, then m5 would creep back that was bascailly the race.
The M5 top end will no way walk away on the E55, it will creep a little forward, but not enough to make car lengths, or even a car length to 155mph.
Both great cars and damn fast in there own way, TQ vs HP/high rev
P.s. Mthis was the driver of the M5, he was in manual, traction off, p 500 sport, smg mode 6 which is the fastest, so fastest settings were enabled.
Great runs and damn even.. I felt that the E55 had a little more midrange feel to it where it would creep in the 60-100mph range, but when i say creep not enough to make a car length, maybe a quarter car length, but the M5 top end would make that midrange back and would be even and then a small creep.
To my surprise on the 20mph roll the M5 was able to keep up about dead even with the monster TQ of the E55, E55 would then creep, then m5 would creep back that was bascailly the race.
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...Don't get me wrong but I have been on these forums for a while and everyone has hyped up the top end of the M's and they definetly do have power up there but the way I've read about it I would expect to get walked extremely hard.
We reached speeds up to 140mph and it was a very slow creep and it was a back to back run for me so we definetly reached high speeds. I'm not taking anything away from the M because it's fast but to me, if anything the top end on the M5 is slightly better. I hope I'm not starting a war lolol. It's my opinion and the vids will speak for itself.
We reached speeds up to 140mph and it was a very slow creep and it was a back to back run for me so we definetly reached high speeds. I'm not taking anything away from the M because it's fast but to me, if anything the top end on the M5 is slightly better
. I hope I'm not starting a war lolol. It's my opinion and the vids will speak for itself.
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-it sounds like Mthis knew exactly what he was doing in the M5 so i'm sure he started in a sweet spot.
-personally i don't think my car is nearly as fast on a roll as it is from a dig. remember that SC is clutch engaged so when you are coasting ... chances are the blower is not engaged and will only grab when you get on it.
-i am sure that healthy running E55 like this one started spinnning at 20mph, while the M5 did not or did but not as much due to difference in power delivery between cars
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Exactly. It's very hard to get all that torque down from a slow roll and it does feel like it takes a second for the SC to engage. However, that's why I enjoy the E55, it's such a beast at low rpm's and part throttle which is more realistic in everyday driving.
I've never raced an M5/6 and would love to own one but I also never quite bought the idea that they would leave an E55 in the dust at higher speeds. Pull slightly? Sure, but not run away. All it takes is one look at a typical dyno of an E55. The HP curve is so darn flat up top it's silly! No need for close ratio gears.
I've never raced an M5/6 and would love to own one but I also never quite bought the idea that they would leave an E55 in the dust at higher speeds. Pull slightly? Sure, but not run away. All it takes is one look at a typical dyno of an E55. The HP curve is so darn flat up top it's silly! No need for close ratio gears.
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I hate speculation without having the videos, but the E55 was having a slight traction problem at the low 20mph, but it was slight enough to lose maybe a door length..
We were gonna do a dig run but we got too excited and did another roll lol.
I am still surprised from the M5, i drove the M5 myself and the lack of tq just annoyed me and my 335i has tons more tq down low, the same feeling the E55 give when going WOT from a dig, didnt expect it to hang down low with the E55, with the slight traction problem or not, which the M5 was seemingly having the same issue, but the E55 fell back about a door length at the start when it was spinning. The M5's instant throttle reponse and the E55 losing a little traction along with being FI and have that short 1 second delay of getting things going is what i would guess the M5 was holding its own. Down there.
Then again i was also surprised, but than again not so much, the forum myth of the M5 having a v-tech effect top end power after 100mph didnt kick in last nite. after about 130mph we saw a slight creep the m5, and it would of continued but nothing to the v-tec effect lol.
P.s. The M5 driver (mthis) did know what he was doing and i confirmed all the setting to be on point for no mistakes.
We were gonna do a dig run but we got too excited and did another roll lol.
I am still surprised from the M5, i drove the M5 myself and the lack of tq just annoyed me and my 335i has tons more tq down low, the same feeling the E55 give when going WOT from a dig, didnt expect it to hang down low with the E55, with the slight traction problem or not, which the M5 was seemingly having the same issue, but the E55 fell back about a door length at the start when it was spinning. The M5's instant throttle reponse and the E55 losing a little traction along with being FI and have that short 1 second delay of getting things going is what i would guess the M5 was holding its own. Down there.
Then again i was also surprised, but than again not so much, the forum myth of the M5 having a v-tech effect top end power after 100mph didnt kick in last nite. after about 130mph we saw a slight creep the m5, and it would of continued but nothing to the v-tec effect lol.
P.s. The M5 driver (mthis) did know what he was doing and i confirmed all the setting to be on point for no mistakes.
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I hate speculation without having the videos, but the E55 was having a slight traction problem at the low 20mph, but it was slight enough to lose maybe a door length..
We were gonna do a dig run but we got too excited and did another roll lol.
I am still surprised from the M5, i drove the M5 myself and the lack of tq just annoyed me and my 335i has tons more tq down low, the same feeling the E55 give when going WOT from a dig, didnt expect it to hang down low with the E55, with the slight traction problem or not, which the M5 was seemingly having the same issue, but the E55 fell back about a door length at the start when it was spinning. The M5's instant throttle reponse and the E55 losing a little traction along with being FI and have that short 1 second delay of getting things going is what i would guess the M5 was holding its own. Down there.
Then again i was also surprised, but than again not so much, the forum myth of the M5 having a v-tech effect top end power after 100mph didnt kick in last nite. after about 130mph we saw a slight creep the m5, and it would of continued but nothing to the v-tec effect lol.
P.s. The M5 driver (mthis) did know what he was doing and i confirmed all the setting to be on point for no mistakes.
We were gonna do a dig run but we got too excited and did another roll lol.
I am still surprised from the M5, i drove the M5 myself and the lack of tq just annoyed me and my 335i has tons more tq down low, the same feeling the E55 give when going WOT from a dig, didnt expect it to hang down low with the E55, with the slight traction problem or not, which the M5 was seemingly having the same issue, but the E55 fell back about a door length at the start when it was spinning. The M5's instant throttle reponse and the E55 losing a little traction along with being FI and have that short 1 second delay of getting things going is what i would guess the M5 was holding its own. Down there.
Then again i was also surprised, but than again not so much, the forum myth of the M5 having a v-tech effect top end power after 100mph didnt kick in last nite. after about 130mph we saw a slight creep the m5, and it would of continued but nothing to the v-tec effect lol.
P.s. The M5 driver (mthis) did know what he was doing and i confirmed all the setting to be on point for no mistakes.
all kiding aside I thought the results were ganna be much diff. I dint think the m5 would hang but the e55 was losing traction so was I but still very impresive And for does ppl that say m5 pulls top end yea maybe after 130 but not by alot trust me we raced 4 times and same results. Oh yea for the ppl saying that oh his not the owner of the car, I been driving BMW's since I was 17 and yes I had a smg in my life and I had alot of seat time In my friends m5 and I would put my self in a class of pro on smg3. No bs the truth belive it or not I don't care so relax ppl. For the rest the vids will speak for them selfs I belive the 1st and 2nd vid were the best runs we had 3rd I let of early due to m5 owner in my passenger seat screaming cops lol. And 4th was ok but I let of early again bc now I dint feel like racing with the owner in the car. To much talking going on I need peace when racing. Tnx for watch will be back soon with more vids.
Edit. Sry for using u quote to tell my end.
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i dun care hagi hahaha.... nice story lol...
I dont think there is gonna be any BS of you not knowing how to drive the M5 cuz i can attest you knew how to drive it. Too bad the owner doesnt know as good as you hahah along with 80% of the m5/m6 owners in NY.
I dont think there is gonna be any BS of you not knowing how to drive the M5 cuz i can attest you knew how to drive it. Too bad the owner doesnt know as good as you hahah along with 80% of the m5/m6 owners in NY.
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You guys got it down just perfect and like I said before a few weeks ago I raced a different m5 with the same results but no video footage.
!risk work on those vids your keepn everyone waiting including me !! Lol
!risk work on those vids your keepn everyone waiting including me !! Lol
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How about me I'm at work on my iPhone hitting the reload ever 5 sec. Comon everyone protest we want vids we want vids lol. This is what happens when u have nothing beter to do at work lol
