Hammer Down

Just to correct you I picked up 28.6mph and Alan picked up 31.xx. I normally pick up 26-27mph when I was on street tires. You also have to remember even though we weren't trying to we were racing each other and I was trying a little harder than normal to try and get a jump on Alan and I know the racer that he is he was also trying to get a jump on me, also just to add I had just run a 11.9 and I was shooting for 11.7 on my next run (against Alan) and Alan had just run a 11.007 and he was wanting to get back out there and try a little harder as well. This is the only thing that I can think of as to why our speeds were so high on this particular run. Put yourself in the situations that I just describe and maybe it was getting in the gas a split second sooner than normal that caused us to have a great back half
On my next two runs I "only" ran 120 & 119.

Thericker

I told you this over the phn bro, His mod list for some reason was updated on both records. He clearly ran a high octane 100-105 ECU tune @ 600 RWHP 720RWTQ DynoJet w/RENN CAI & 18" drag rads when he ran 11.06 @ 128.7

The record you linked above above is what BONE stock S65's run (normally in much cooler weather) 11.5x @ 120.3 also his 60' was much worse @ 1.76 on most likely heavy stk 19"s (No doubt your point is taken DA effects these cars & his record @ 128.7 was in negative DA vs STOCK #'s @ much worse DA & temps Record Modified: August 21st, 2006) lots of variables made up these runs...

Great example bone stk S65 w/DynoJet @ 530 RWHP ran in TX in Feb 09' nearly exact same splits as Roger Ver run in Aug @ your Sacramento trk http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-17543.html

Marcus Frost has run otherwise stk SL65 11.5x @ 120+mph w/20"s

blackbenzz

28.6mph on the backhalf is better than I have ever done, you guys are HAULIN ***!

chiromikey

another fact about sac that most people don't know is that the track runs west to east. cali almost always has coastal winds that will help and are likely worth 1-2mph on an average day. knowing some of the variables can help explain why cars tend to pick up a few mph there compared to other tracks. it doesn't take anything away from alan's run and i know both he and i would still prefer to run at mir, but it might help some of the doubters understand a little more about what's going on...besides the fact that he has a damn fast car.

blackbenzz

I noticed the nice tailwind in the vid

Stephen04E55

I can't explain that...just making observations about various timeslips as the 1/8mph seems accurate and the 1/4mph seems elevated for some reason. Just look at the cars on dragtimes.com that trap 101 in the 1/8 and make your own decision. Even rflow with N20 in his E55 couldn't gain as much mph as you did in Sacramento. Not an argument at all but just strange numbers to me.

blackbenzz

I trapped 101 in the 1/8th and trapped 127 in the 1/4 on my best pass at MIR with negative DA

Hammer Down

I was pushing so hard on the pedal I thought I was going to push it through the floor!

cmcbenz

WOW! Congrats!!!

Hammer Down

It was actually more of a crosswind, like left rear door to right front door, go back and look at my vid when I went 120 and checkout the smoke from my burnout. Ahmad it's not quite up to your par but atleast you can see which way the wind is blowing.

Hammer Down

oh I forgot to add back in August when I went to the track with Alan and he was trapping 130-131 with 99 and 100 1/8mile speeds with "no wind" and I had a 91.1x 1/8 and a trap of 118.6 = 27.4 pick up and Juicee, Mo, Mike and of course Alan were all there and they can tell you that there was no wind that night!

MB_Forever

We need to get you guys to run at Famoso..... the track is fully sanctioned by NHRA and always up to date. The owner updates equipment every 3 years regardless of conditions. They just did an update last year before our event This should end all speculation regarding Sacramento

Mikesamg

I pick up around 27-28 with no mods for the top end and when I ran at Fontana this summer I had the same results, I was just slower equally across due to 105 degree weather and higher DA. Sacramento is definitely a fast track but it's an accurate track and offers what it has available, it's no different then any other track and what it has to offer. I'll be adding the TB soon and will see if I can stay with Alan since I will be pretty close in mods after that install. So I can believe you are capable of doing this stock and any other stock E55 if it has a good launch in Sac. Hopefully a couple in the area will come out and see is it your car or the track to put this to rest.

acb

That is some serious supercharger whine happening there.

bassn_07

Trust me, I'm not looking for an argument but instead I value everyone's opinion...especially the track junkies. I've always wondered why my car trapped higher than other E55's, and of course the track came to mind. This is the same reason why I made a special trip to Fontana (as most will agree this is not a fast track) to run my car. Like Mikesamg mentioned it was very hot that day, I believe 105 (DA at 4500+) degrees with the track elevation already at 1200-1400 ft. I was still able to trap 122.9. I was consistently picking up 27.5 mph in these conditions. Sure I didn't pick up what I do at Sacramento but we are talking about a huge difference in weather and track elevations.

Yes Roger Ver ran the times as mentioned and TheRicker did tell me he that run he did 5 months prior was in stock form. If you look at his dragtimes info you'll see his run was made in may and his last recorded modification to that info was in August. Which tells me he was tuned by Renntech, just going by facts provided and not hear say. When he ran is December he added a airbox and from what Sean says a 105 octane tune. He then runs a 11.07 @ 128 when prior to that run it was a 11.5 @ 120.

Any MB that runs at Sacramento has this same phenomenon??? Could you please elaborate on this. Besides Roger, which was done 3 years ago who else has done this? Up to this point I'm just stating facts and if you know of other MB's please tell. I value your opinion because I know you've been doing this for a while and I'm new to this.

Hey Mo, if I could make it you know I would. Regardless, I have nothing to prove to anyone and everyone is welcomed to come to Sac and find out. As you know there have been many MB's, from stock to highly modded ones but yet we haven't seen these times. Could you please let us know how you guys did when you came to Sac? I've already ran at different tracks and seen my results and I'm quite content with my cars performance. If people feel this trap speed is too high I don't mind. Who ever is on top could keep their title because that's not why I do this. Hell, I didn't even want to post my times but I did.

Either way guys feel free to chime in and give you honest opinion. I would much rather have this discussion than being accused of nitrous . Hopefully by the end of this we'll all learn something new.

bassn_07

There was a swirling wind most of the day. Look at the smoke from my burnout, it definitely looks more like a cross wind. With that said Sacramento does have some great tailwind days.

MB_Forever

I know man..... you were actually number one on the list before I even created the list You and Juicee were looking forward to the Famoso event since last Summer

Maybe next month, we can hold the private rental up there and have everyone run on the same track just to have everyone experience the "magic" of Sacramento The only thing is that to run effectively at Sacramento, each will need a "drag" setup, preferably MTs... otherwise, the comparison argument will continue forever

Thericker

11.06 @ 128.7 I heard from a few in the know as well as studied his DJ sheet, look @ the AFR it's in the high 13's def race gas


Ben Treynor ran his SL65 w/ECU & Drag rads 11.38 @ 127.2mph http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-5708.html (no splits were given) both these cars used 18" Drag rads vs your 16"s so I think w/TQ multiplication & lighter 16"s you'd easily see faster traps/lower ET's from these models @ Sacramento...

There is (1) higher 130mph trapping single run in SL65 from AZ but it had more mods than ECU/Drag rads/CAIhttp://www.scottsdaleexoticcarclub.com/2005sl65rt.html (pointed out to me by Tom though no DA or temps available) ALL other equally modded SL65's ECU/Drag rads ONLY hit 123-124 mph in 1/4 except @ Sacramento have we ever seen a heavy arsed 5000lb S65 Stg 2 RENN run near 129 traps on 18"s

bassn_07

Fine, lets say he was stock. Explain why he ran stock times at Sacramento with normal traps? If Sacramento was really that much faster wouldn't we have seen a faster stock baseline? The DA using dragtimes calculator was at +400 for his run. This is my issue with this run. Not if he was stock or not but why he didn't have a faster and quicker ET for his stock baseline.

As for comparing tracks from Arizona to Sacramento isn't even close. I will agree that any car out there running AZ will definitely run faster and quicker at stock. I'm sure no one will argue with that.

I'm just going by what I experience through my own car with many passes. As far as MB's go that the only other car out there that has done such a phenomenon. I'm hoping Sal will get some good numbers at Famoso then come to Sacramento, he will be the one that will put this debacle to an end. As long as we have similar days it will by far be the best comparison. Time will tell.

JAYCL600

For a while everyone thought MIR was a "magic" track....now I gotta go to Sac to run a good time

bassn_07

Haha...I still would prefer MIR -2000 DA day over Sacramento any day. Either way we would love to have you here, bring it on over . There are only 2 fast MB's recorded here in the last 3 to 4 years but a ton at MIR. Actually everyone use to call Sacramento a ***** hole up into the point I started running my times. Now it's considered the fastest track in the US....I must have done well.

The East vs. West saga will continue...

JAYCL600

As much as Id like to gallivant all over the USA racing at everyones track, Im sure Im like most in that we have schedules/businesses/wives/relatively realistic funds A couple years back we had some really heated East VS West discussions, and ironically when the West coast guys (Josh/Juicee ) would complain about our low DA and altitude, I always threw in Sac as an example of a great track that has had examples of some good times. Not to get side tracked, your times are amazing If I had that back half MPH I would do cart wheels. I know everyone keeps hearing me repeat that, but its the Achilles heel in our platform....the faster we go front half the slower we go back half (we are working on it)...the fastest 65's and 600's average 25.50mph out the back

Rock

Hey......... a slip is a slip and you posted a killer time and trap. Nothing made up........... you are just stating the facts. At the end of the day we all want to see "real world" times and you provided those for us.

The real question is do the numbers add up? Is your E55 with just bolt-ons that much faster than all the other E55 out there? The only way to really quiet the non-believers is to go to different track and produce similar numbers.

I ran into plenty of doubters when posting times for my GTR. I have a slightly modified car that ran what I thought was a killer time at a local track (11.1 @ 131mph). Well after several pages of abuse on NAGTROC with members telling me that no GTR or similar cars (without nitrous), can pick up 30+mph on the back-half....... I decided to take my car to a different track. Unfortunately, I was not able to reproduce the numbers but who is to say that I did not actually trap @ 131. I will let you draw your own conclusions from the slips:

bassn_07

I totally hear you about traveling around the US...haha. I really did consider taking my car back east to run with the big boy but in reality the cost are very hard to justify. Like I mentioned before, we run at the track that's most convenient for us and it so happens we both have very fast tracks available.

In the end I'm much happier with my ET rather than my traps. I would've given up 3-4 mph if not more just to hit my 10's long ago. That's what is was all about for me, the high traps was just a bonus which doesn't really mean that much to me.

I look forward to reading the results of the MIR December 5th meet, I'm sure you guys are going tear it up. Hopefully Issac will run his beast and break all the E55 records!!!

bassn_07

Thanks for the post Rock!

I would actually rather have the cars come to me because I feel I've done quite a bit trying to please other on this board. In reality, when others ran great times no one was asked to go somewhere else and reproduce their times...why should I. Not to be disrespectful but I'm not doing this to get the approval of the board but rather to meet my own goals. I'm all about gains and accomplishments and to me I've met all my goals plus some.

Here's a good example of what I've gained since January of this year and all slips are posted. Please keep in mind this was all done at Sacramento Raceway. Earlier this year I ran in -400 DA with street tires and the VR600 package. My best run of the month was 11.57 @ 123. If you take a look at some of the other VR600 cars this was a little slower time than the rest. I think there was a SL55 trapping 126+ and a E55 125+. Now several months later (present time) I'm trapping a supposedly 133 MPH in slightly higher DA...... Really, think about what I've gained instead of what I'm trapping. I gained near 10 MPH and .7 off my ET's. This is all done at the same track with very similar conditions. Some mods worked better than others and I learned quite a bit along the way.

Sorry to ramble on but I thought I'd share my reasons of why I feel no need to prove my car to anyone. If people can't see what I've gained in the past year than that's too bad. This accomplishment has come with a price and a whole lot of trial and error.