W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

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Old Mar 29, 2015 | 12:31 PM
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Both are made in china doesn't mean they are bad though
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Old Mar 29, 2015 | 01:54 PM
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I have the EC kind LT headers. That will be the best choice. And I have the 400 cell cat mid pipe as well. Ground clearance is not an issue. Bending down, looking under the car, one can hardly see it sticking out, but that depends on the installer, in the way it is positioned.

On the dyno, 409whp before and 446whp after, and that was with a leak. Resolved the leak issue. It wasn't tightened properly down to the block. No more leak issues now.

Took it to the track for a real test. Trap speed went from 115.75mph to 121.75mph. I gat lazy going to the track today because I just re-tuned the car. Will try another day.
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Old Mar 29, 2015 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by m3j0n
I hear that,... I think my stock header is cracked, so now is a good time to replace with an upgraded part .

I don't see how the long tubes worth more than double the price?... I was originally on the fence about that, but I just don't see the reason. What do they make, an extra 10Hp over the "shorty/midlength" manifolds for more than double the cost? If anyone can explain that, I would love to know why anyone goes with long tubes.

Are the EC and Kleemann's really the same in build quality and power gains? They are both $750 at the moment, so I was gonna pull the trigger this week.
From my Mustang 5.0 days...Long Tubes just pulled a lot harder on the top end, my torque curve shifted that way also. Not sure if peak numbers show that. The down side to LT is the install, mid pipes, O2 etc. I'm still holding out for the MBH Long tubes.
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Old Mar 29, 2015 | 03:14 PM
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Mbh will always be more expensive. They are hand made in the USA.
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 01:01 PM
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Both seem to be a good option for me, Eurocharged and Kleemann headers.

But both require a bit of work that gets installed. Does not seem to be there any bolt-on models in available for sale..
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 04:35 PM
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Anyone knows about what the material (steel type) is on the Kleemanns. I have a set here and its quite shiny on the downpipes. Wonder if the surface got a layer of whatever on them? Or are they polished?
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by streetspeeder
From my Mustang 5.0 days...Long Tubes just pulled a lot harder on the top end, my torque curve shifted that way also. Not sure if peak numbers show that. The down side to LT is the install, mid pipes, O2 etc. I'm still holding out for the MBH Long tubes.
Your normally aspirated 5.0 would naturally be more responsive to well tuned headers, but supercharged engines just need the least amount of restrictions to get the gases out.

If you keep the factory cats, you should open up the inlet side to match the larger outlet side as there is a significant difference in diameter. I suspect the smaller inlet size was done to match the standard factory exhaust manifold which is used on various models. Bottom line, any and all improvements to the 113K exhaust system will provide significant HP increases.
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Stile
Right now, seems to be available for 750$ on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KLEEMANN-M11...615a47&vxp=mtr
thanks to you just sent them msg to if possible shipping to Turkey
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Stile
Both seem to be a good option for me, Eurocharged and Kleemann headers.

But both require a bit of work that gets installed. Does not seem to be there any bolt-on models in available for sale..
PLM are bolt on right?
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 10:30 AM
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Yes however they will not be as free flowing as the EC or Kleemann especially at the collector
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 11:50 AM
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I purchased the EC mid to replace my kleeman mid headers. My indy shop stated that even though they look the same it looked like the EC mids were better....looked thicker in steel and the welds looked better. I took a look myself and the EC mids did look better to me. This is no knock on Kleeman, as they were great. But, the price on the EC mids were just too good to pass up. I would have liked to the MPH LTHs...but the price is just too much for me.
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 12:04 PM
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Did you cut up the collector like I said and put a 3"?
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Did you cut up the collector like I said and put a 3"?
Thought the 4 merges into one collector pipe are 3" already, all the way to the mid pipe? Or can you explain more, pics will be more better.
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 01:26 PM
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The collector to the down pipes are not 3"
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AgSilver
Your normally aspirated 5.0 would naturally be more responsive to well tuned headers, but supercharged engines just need the least amount of restrictions to get the gases out.

If you keep the factory cats, you should open up the inlet side to match the larger outlet side as there is a significant difference in diameter. I suspect the smaller inlet size was done to match the standard factory exhaust manifold which is used on various models. Bottom line, any and all improvements to the 113K exhaust system will provide significant HP increases.
Quick question, I have the Kleemann with Primary Cat delete. So removing the second cat will also improve the performance ? how about resonator ?
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by J J
PLM are bolt on right?
Maybe PLM could be a good option. Price is just a pretty tough if compared Kleemann or EC short tube headers.

Kleemann and EC headers reguire primary cat deleting. Too bad because here in Finland has strict exhaust gas tests.
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by T9ja
Thought the 4 merges into one collector pipe are 3" already, all the way to the mid pipe? Or can you explain more, pics will be more better.
+1... I agree, pics would be more better!
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Did you cut up the collector like I said and put a 3"?
No, I decided in the end to let it be and just deleted the cats.

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