220S

Now with the new twin turbo AMG motors coming out, is the n/a E63 pretty much dead as far as any more tuning R+D potential? Is what we have now all we're going to get?

I realize there's the C63 but even combined with all the rest of the 6.2 liters, it's still a pretty small market. And the costs compared to FI tuning potential and results is much higher, as we already know.

Andy has said here, well, through somebody else posting for him , that the ECUs on TT AMGs and the new F10 M5s will be impossible to crack. But I think we all doubt that.

So, is the 6.2 pretty much over with? Or maybe it was never 'there' to begin with

petep86

i think they just jumped into the 63 to help them see what they can do ofor there first full built motor. now that they see what they have done, and what its capablte of, now its time for the AMG aka THE SKY IS THE LIMIT.. so yea, u had to be wondering when they were gonna slap somethign on with some forced injection. its all with the times. hahaha get it?

Fantasm

we will see a new era of cheap tuning with these turbo engines.
think of how cheap it is to upgrade BMW 335i's right now...

petep86

its very cheap to tune the 335i. a buddy mine has it, and has gotten alot of power wit a few cheap add-ons.

sack5000

Are we not still in for a several year wait on the TT? Also, the price tag will be in the buck fifty range. Why not find something that works for this engine and pocket the $$... If we just had a source for long tubes and a tune we would be looking at 40-50 whp gain for a fraction of the cost.

citylightva

There are a few long tubes out there right now. They aren't cheap, but they are high quality. I don't know if you ever saw JRcart's dyno's, but he was over 500 at the wheels in his CLK BS....

ironbuilt

I would think the new W212 E63 would be around for at least a couple years before they TT it?

Yuille36

I don't necessarily think the 6.2 platform is dead, hopefully Mercedes will develope it more with a Twin Turbo package for it in the future. Remember that the 6.2 is the power plant in the SLS roadster, and that car just came out. They have converted the 6.2 into a dry sump oiling system, no oil pan like the corvettes. And designed a new air intake system for it as well. So, I still see a developement future for this great engine. What do the rest of you think?

sales @ evosport

The E63 platform is not dead to us here at evosport
We just released Long Tube Headers and have a plethora of goodies for the 63 engines.

Dale

way2evil

I highly doubt it. With 09 being the last year of the W211 AMG, you will start to see E63s going for E55 prices. That alone will spark the market for tuners and aftermarket stuffs.

CharlyE500

well..... as someone else in the forum posted before, here is the link the number of AMG made for 55 and 63

The 63 platform still too few compare to others, the cost will be Higher.

http://www.topgearage.com/?p=260

speedpeddler

Personally, I just can't see the point of modding a naturally aspirated engine unless you're planning on adding forced induction. Long tube headers, pulley's, chips, etc on a 6.3 MIGHT get you 50 hp. Put that same money into a TT or SC car and you'll triple that.

The days of naturally aspirated performance cars is just about over IMO.

Carl Lassiter

If all you're concerned with is the drag strip, I'd agree. Tell your theory to Ferrari, or Porsche's "GT" division. Throttle response, high revs, linear power delivery, sounds and better heat coping are all NA benefits. But you are entirely correct that the power gains are minimal in comparison and attacking weight would be the best strategy.

Will I buy the new M5 in three years when the first model year's been out and road tested? Yeah, almost certainly. But given the vote I'd have preferred to have kept this same engine just bored out to 5.5L, but the environmentalists wouldn't allow for that.

jpohl402

Is that Stradale yours?
What is the black cab?

itsmeek

Totally 100% agree with you. Th e63/e55 etc are NOT made for twisties, for Mercedes to have gone from the FI 55 platform to an N/A 63 platform is one of the worst decisions that I've ever seen in the higher end muscle car era. However, if the vision was to keep the cars stock and prevent modification- it was a genius idea by merc.

MB_Forever

Only Evosport offers long-tube headers for the E-Class as "readily available" and even they started offering it only last month. All other companies I spoke to said they have them "readily available" for the C-Class or CLK platforms. Most of them offered to adapt those headers to the E-Class but they would need the car there for a few weeks.

On another note, please remember that JRcart's car had dymags at the time of that dyno, which was essentially responsible for 25 to 30 rwhp.

VENOMNS

My E63 is my daily and a beast at that. I plan on having her for another maybe 2 years... but even at that time there is no way I am paying 100k for the twin turbo. ill wait till it drops in half like my current one did! =)