If latest info is true (inside). New M will have more hp/ New AMG more torque
03-02-2010, 02:36 PM
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I know that this engine will be nasty, but I will still keep my 63. You never know what mods are coming down the pike. Can't rule out a twin turbo in the future. But I know this 55 will have some bite, for all comers. Will the new E Class AMG for 2011 be called a E55? The first car that this new engine will be transplanted into is the S63. Doesn't seem right to call it a S63. But someone in Affalterbach, will figure this out eventually. Could an S55 be in the works? Only time will tell......stay tuned
03-02-2010, 03:08 PM
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Even if the turbos aren't in the W212 until two years from now, it's still going to have to kill current sales. By the time I'm ready to dump my relatively inexpensive W211, it'll be here. But if I paid MSRP for a W212 today, that's a different story. And as you say, resale will plummet on both W211s and W212s. But if I had just dumped 100+ large on the current W212, I'd not be a happy camper.
03-02-2010, 05:21 PM
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That Forum has single handedly inspired me to not want to leave my house and get on the streets.
Wait 'till those things get a few years old, and you can pick them up for peanuts, not good for any of us, safety wise.
03-02-2010, 06:15 PM
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Right of the bat.. AMG is giving tuners a free tip... the transmission can handle the torque and can increase boost on base AMG engine.
03-02-2010, 06:32 PM
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I know these cars are going to be fairly affordable at some point, but I can seee where any insurance agency would charge 200+ or more for a month of coverage for someone under 25, and insane money for anyone with a speeding ticket. I remember I was paying 120 a month for my 98 eclipse.....and it was 8 years old when I got it, hate to think if I would have asked about a v8 mb...I would have needed a second loan to pay for insurance premiums
03-02-2010, 09:33 PM
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Bottom line though is that any car at any speed can kill. Plus there's a lot of rich yahoos drving fast cars way too fast that we never hear about. (And then there's the drugged or sleeping truck drivers. We don't stand much of a chance with a semi hitting us even at a "slow" 55 mph.)
The last bad E55 accident I read about was a drunken surgeon from the University of North Carolina who killed an aspiring ballerina by smacking into her car at 90 mph.
03-02-2010, 09:55 PM
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I would be much more concerned with the poorly driven high performance cars on the road right now. Chances are much greater for getting nailed by some idiot in a souped up POS today than the same idiot in a 5 year old C63 at a later date. It is a shame that the C63 tends to attract a few souls with more money than sense but I guess that's the nature of the beast. Be thankful that higher pricing and more conservative styling shelters the other model forums from most of grossly immature posting.
03-03-2010, 04:24 PM
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CLK 63 Black Series, 2009 S550, 2011 Range Rover Supercharged, BMW F800 GS Anniv Edition
03-03-2010, 06:00 PM
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This is good news for the AMG brand. Remember a few months back AMG was talking all sorts of scary stuff about going "green". This is the right way to go green. The best part of this is that the new engine weighs 450lbs...compared to 438lbs for the outgoing the 6.2L V8. The V12TT engine weighs in at a portly 558lbs. It kind of makes the V12TT obsolete (performance wise) in its current guise. I imagine aftermarket tuners should be able to extract as much hp out of a direct injection DOHC 4 valve 5.5L V8TT, than a 6.0L SOHC V12TT. Anyone know the size of the Garrett Turbos?
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03-03-2010, 06:25 PM
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call me old fashioned, but there is just something about the earth moving torque the 5.5 and 6.0 v12's make, even in stock trim.
03-03-2010, 08:52 PM
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I have to start listening closely to every word Volker Mornhinweg says.
Aug 28, 2006:
"Until recently, AMG had relied upon supercharging to boost performance, but the new 6.3-liter unit is normally aspirated. What is the future for AMG's power plants?
In 2-3 years, supercharged engines will be a thing of the past for AMG. The emissions performance of a supercharged engine is not good enough to make them viable. We are looking at direct-injection turbo engines as an alternative"
http://www.insideline.com/features/i...ornhinweg.html
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Aug 28, 2006:
"Until recently, AMG had relied upon supercharging to boost performance, but the new 6.3-liter unit is normally aspirated. What is the future for AMG's power plants?
In 2-3 years, supercharged engines will be a thing of the past for AMG. The emissions performance of a supercharged engine is not good enough to make them viable. We are looking at direct-injection turbo engines as an alternative"
http://www.insideline.com/features/i...ornhinweg.html
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03-04-2010, 01:01 AM
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ill be interested to see how the genius engineers at AMG reduce the turbo lag. After the magnetic SC pulley, it should be pretty interesting
03-04-2010, 10:29 AM
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The modern turbo is an impressive thing, if mb will shell out the cash for a billet wheel turbo, an engine of that size could spin a big turbo with minimal if any lag. I was using a huge billet turbo on a 2.0 a while back and only had lag below about 3k, other than that it was insane boost
03-04-2010, 01:02 PM
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I know that this engine will be nasty, but I will still keep my 63. You never know what mods are coming down the pike. Can't rule out a twin turbo in the future. But I know this 55 will have some bite, for all comers. Will the new E Class AMG for 2011 be called a E55? The first car that this new engine will be transplanted into is the S63. Doesn't seem right to call it a S63. But someone in Affalterbach, will figure this out eventually. Could an S55 be in the works? Only time will tell......stay tuned
03-04-2010, 01:14 PM
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So without really saying anything about it, seems as though AMG has solved the torque limits on the 7 Speed.
When the 63 was first introduced, Benz either spread the word to prevent modding or was telling the truth that the 7 Speed was already near torque limits with it's stock engine hp and trq.
With those monster trq numbers, seems as though the 7 Speed is pretty bullet proof now eh?
Awesome news! Can't wait to FINALLY see those high speed runs with the M no seem so lop sided.
5 Speed killed us on the top end runs in Mexico.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iB6rYLiiI0
When the 63 was first introduced, Benz either spread the word to prevent modding or was telling the truth that the 7 Speed was already near torque limits with it's stock engine hp and trq.
With those monster trq numbers, seems as though the 7 Speed is pretty bullet proof now eh?
Awesome news! Can't wait to FINALLY see those high speed runs with the M no seem so lop sided.
5 Speed killed us on the top end runs in Mexico.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iB6rYLiiI0
03-04-2010, 01:58 PM
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So without really saying anything about it, seems as though AMG has solved the torque limits on the 7 Speed.
When the 63 was first introduced, Benz either spread the word to prevent modding or was telling the truth that the 7 Speed was already near torque limits with it's stock engine hp and trq.
With those monster trq numbers, seems as though the 7 Speed is pretty bullet proof now eh?
Awesome news! Can't wait to FINALLY see those high speed runs with the M no seem so lop sided.
5 Speed killed us on the top end runs in Mexico.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iB6rYLiiI0
When the 63 was first introduced, Benz either spread the word to prevent modding or was telling the truth that the 7 Speed was already near torque limits with it's stock engine hp and trq.
With those monster trq numbers, seems as though the 7 Speed is pretty bullet proof now eh?
Awesome news! Can't wait to FINALLY see those high speed runs with the M no seem so lop sided.
5 Speed killed us on the top end runs in Mexico.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iB6rYLiiI0
03-04-2010, 02:11 PM
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So without really saying anything about it, seems as though AMG has solved the torque limits on the 7 Speed.
When the 63 was first introduced, Benz either spread the word to prevent modding or was telling the truth that the 7 Speed was already near torque limits with it's stock engine hp and trq.
With those monster trq numbers, seems as though the 7 Speed is pretty bullet proof now eh?
Awesome news! Can't wait to FINALLY see those high speed runs with the M no seem so lop sided.
5 Speed killed us on the top end runs in Mexico.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iB6rYLiiI0
When the 63 was first introduced, Benz either spread the word to prevent modding or was telling the truth that the 7 Speed was already near torque limits with it's stock engine hp and trq.
With those monster trq numbers, seems as though the 7 Speed is pretty bullet proof now eh?
Awesome news! Can't wait to FINALLY see those high speed runs with the M no seem so lop sided.
5 Speed killed us on the top end runs in Mexico.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iB6rYLiiI0
The quotes below lead me to believe that this new motor will only be mated to the MCT gearbox...
AMG CEO Volker Mornhinweg: "Efficiency plus performance"
"With the new AMG V8 biturbo engine and the AMG SPEEDSHFT MCT 7-speed
sports transmission, we are confronting the challenges of the future and focussing
on fuel consumption and exhaust emissions even more intensively than before.
Our new high-performance engine shows that AMG occupies a leading position
in terms of both efficiency and our brand commitment to "performance," says
Volker Mornhinweg, Chairman of Mercedes-AMG GmbH.
MCT 7-speed sports transmission with Controlled Efficiency mode and
start/stop function
Power is transferred by the AMG SPEEDSHIFT MCT 7-speed sports transmission
used exclusively by AMG, which is already familiar from the SL 63 AMG and
E 63 AMG and combines high emotional appeal with outstanding driving dynamics
and a high level of efficiency. The wet start-up clutch replaces a conventional
torque converter, and helps to save fuel. The exemplary fuel economy is also in
large measure due to the standard start/stop function. This system is active in the
transmission's Controlled Efficiency ("C") mode, and switches the eight-cylinder
engine off when the car comes to a stop. In "C" mode the sports saloon always
starts off in second gear, and the transmission shifts to the next, higher gears at
a decidedly early stage. With its high torque at low engine speeds, the V8 engine
encourages a smooth, effortless driving style.
The showcar is powered by the new AMG 5.5-litre V8 biturbo engine and the
AMG SPEEDSHIFT MCT 7-speed sports transmission.
03-04-2010, 02:17 PM
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I posted a thread a month ago about "is the 6.2 platform now dead?" Some of us here bought leftover W211s at huge deep discounts. We knew what we were getting into but we did it on the cheap.
It was fun to see AMG put out a big displacement motor as their last hurrah for n/a motors. And it's a decent motor winning best motor award, etc.. n/a motors have their place (i.e., on the track; but the E and S class aren't exactly track cars
)The 6.2 will be dying/dead with tuners. What's the point to spend any more R+D on something that has such a limited audience and money making potential and will no longer be in current production?
Tuners have done what they can already and will sell that to C63 owners and a few E63 owners, but they'll turn their efforts to the new FI motors now. If the FIs are across the board in various sizes and tunes in all MB models eventually, then tuners will finally have a much broader market and there will be more stuff available and at a lower price for the consumer.
