cahiil55k

One of my best friends is Arabic and another Pakistani. They gave me permission to say those camel comments are funny.

chiromikey

awe, luke's here right on time proving the point to a "t"...hi luke! thanks for stopping by to pass final judgement on all of us.

220S

One is a racist remark specific to a particular ethnicity (and explicitly derogatory), and the other is a stereotype of a brand of car owners across a wide demographic.

Totally different things.

Time to lock this thread before it gets out of hand, imho.

Thericker

*****, you know where the door is Just getting good

LZH

Exactly....people sure have gotten sensitive 'round here.
And since when is stereotyping ok??

bigswin

I just read the entire thread and couldn't find a "explicitly derogatory" comment anywhere. What the hell are you talking about??? I think SENSITIVE is an extreme understatement.

MB_Forever

I am not sure if he was necessarily being sensitive... but he was saying that some of the remarks, although funny and may have been stated jokingly, were not appropriate (at least for a car enthusiast group), such as, the "get a camel" comment, drive a goat, "f*king retard" comment, and the pajamas comment

Thericker

Man, you hit the nail on the head here... I seriously can't believe some of crap I'm wading thru on the boards these days

Can you imagine some of these thread/conversations taking place outside this forum??? "Uhhh Time to END this conversation before it gets out of hand, imho I'm leaving"

Or "I was @ BMW dealership about to buy an M3 until I checked my Iphone & perused the M3 Forums, close call! I couldn't bare the thought of driving a vehicle w/that sort of online ownership/reputation"

Hey wake up! We are ALL lusting over ****-Chrome, Adolf Hitler, had fleets of top of the line MB's does that make us ****'s

I'm German/Italian/Hawaiian, so I have multi ports covered in racist/remarks privileges.

220S

Thanks Mo, for clarifying. No, not been sensitive whatsoever, but simply trying to point out the difference of stereotyping users of a brand (BMW, MB, Audi, whatever) and making remarks in respect to someone's ethnicity and nationality.

The guy was no doubt from either the KSA or UAE, and saying things like camel, goats, pajamas is specifically targeting his ethnicity and not his lack of judgment about cars. It was an attack (or joke, however you want to rationalize it) on him and his "Arabness" and not his ignorance or stupidity or whatever, about buying an AMG.

Calling somebody (whether they're Black, White, Jewish, Muslim, Native American,etc.) an "old man" because they drive a Mercedes or a "boy racer" because they drive a BMW is targeting the brand stereotype and not the person specifically. It's different than telling somebody who's Saudi that they should get a camel because "hey, don't all Arabs wear pajamas and ride camels" (despite that the reality of life in those outrageously wealthy and super modern countries is long past using camels as transport.)

Making reference to a camel jockey or a bean eater or somebody from Hymie-Town, etc., is a lot different than telling the guy he's simply a dumb *** rich naive kid for thinking of ordering a C63 with a McLaren 722s motor in it (or whatever the hell he was talking about.)

You all may proceed now in anyway you wish. I'm done

chiromikey

i know you're at least trying to be funny but besides missing the point, you're scenarios are bit far fetched. for me, it's two fold. i like to lurk forums for info and discussions on modding on the platform i'm interested in. if all you see are guys like some of the ones that now hang out on the clk63/c63 forums it doesn't take long for me to turn my attention to other cars on my list. second, i like to meet and get to know fellow board members. i don't base everything off the internet, but i'd certainly rather meet people that show posting etiquette over the classless internet bullies that for whatever reason tend to gravitate toward certain platforms.

Thericker

The ever pompous always right chiromikey, Yeah you caught me I'm trying to be funny but failed yet again

If you can't see the loss you self impose w/your thinking you are truly the one missing the boat. I'd buy a C63 in the future or an M3, E55/63 ala' TT that is Sure the C63 forum's currently infested w/children, it doesn't change the fact it's still a great car/platform.

chiromikey

lol, i guess it was coming...i'm one of the few left on the forum you hadn't bickered with yet. my track record had to come to an end some time i guess...

you thinking i'm missing something is purely your opinion. however, i don't ever recall saying any thing bad about those cars or that i wouldn't buy one...just the people surrounding them made me look at other cars on my list.

Thericker

Looks like it def led you to buy an E55 in this post over the M3? Either way I don't care what you buy... Or for your holier than thou quips...

Thericker

You utter heavily sarcastic ramblings like these below followed w/ & you wonder why ANY would call you on it
[quote]

Chirio- you act/post like a Smarmy *****, thinking you're better than all the other chodes.
Fully believing You're so much better/smarter than everyone! I'm goin to call you on it plan 'n simple

chiromikey

nope, at the time it actually made me look more at the rs6. but if you honestly don't care what i buy, then there's no need to comment as if you do.

my statement wasn't sarcastic in the least, it was 100% truth. as far as your spin on what was said, you can't deny it was either attempted humor or far fetched...and now it seems more like you're the one wondering why they got called on it. in truth, it did make me chuckle if that makes you feel any better.

i hope that's good enough for you. either way, have a good night buddy.

Thericker

Likewise ole buddy

acb

Good to see racism is alive and well in the US of A. I wonder how long it would take for a ban to happen if some honky cracked out the N word about a dumped E with chromes.....

edit : and the irony being that cars (eg the E55) are so cheap to buy in the States, students or pre 30's can afford them, I wonder whether anything bar an F50/Veyron etc actually equates to status.

bigswin

Students? I don't know of any student who could afford an E55 or any mercedes, bmw, audi, etc... However, if mom and dad bought one for them than yes I suppose they could drive one. That is what started this whole thread in the first place. You can't expect to receive alot of respect on the forums when you come on and say you are 19 years older and are going to buy an SLR. Cleary, this person hasn't worked for it and that does rub some folks the wrong way. Go look at some M3addict posts and you will see the similarity of his nonsense with this OPs. Regardless of whether his parents can afford the car or not is irrelevant... it was a stupid post IMO.

bigswin

Oh, and apparently racism is still alive in australia as well... don't try to make a point about racism and then turn around and call someone a "honky".

Quadcammer

say what?

Nice E55s can be had in the high 20s.

Lets say said student had a few summer jobs, came up with a 5k for a down payment.

They finance $23k for 5 years. With a part time job, and minimal other expenses, thats not hard to do at all.

bigswin

So you think a bank will give an 20k ish loan to a part time worker full time student with basically zero credit??? I don't think so. Maybe I should have been more clear in my previous post. No student that is PAYING for their own education will be driving any of the cars I mentioned. End.

Karlson

holly smokes, what have I started!?

220S

Although I love BMWs (I still have a 2002 E46 330i in the garage and I owned an E60 550i before my E63), I'll be the first to admit that reading a lot of the posts on some of the BMW forums leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It also does have an effect on me when I think of purchasing another car, as irrelevant as that might be to the car itself.

Will it stop me from ever buying another BMW? No, of course not. But it's still there in the back of my mind.

I think one would be disingenuous to say that these things don't affect their buying choices. Stereotyping of a brand's demographic is common and, in fact, is something that marketers emphasize when advertising any consumable product (not just cars.)

Just look at that infamous series of Audi ads called "Meet the Beckers" http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/09/m...ercedes-and-l/
"Normal" guy with the Audi, aggressive young a-hole with the BMW, and the clueless old man ("The Commander") of the family with his young trophy wife driving the Mercedes. And if you read some of those BMW posts, the consensus seems to be that MBs are only for old farts on Viagra.

We all have our own perceptions about products out there. And we choose what to consume based not entirely on the product's virtues but also on that perception we have in our head (whether right or wrong.) And that's why manufacturers hire ad agencies at great expense: to convince us that we fall into the product's demographic. (btw, many cars have come and gone not because they weren't great cars, but because they developed a stereotype that was negative; same with lots of products.)

Part of buying a car is buying something that we think fits our persona. To deny that is being a bit dishonest, imho.

amdeutsch

Did you even read what you wrote before posting it/

Student, summer, $5 DP, maintaining a PT income to support car payments without even listed APR and going on for 5 years. Just for your ref for the numbers you provided: at 0% that would be about $385/month not counting gas, insurance, taxes, maintenance, etc. And you know damn well 0% on a used vehicle .......
I guess you provided an example of hidden support; exactly that which you were trying to argue against.

Quadcammer

I sure did.

5 year loan, 23k principal, 7% interest is $455 per month. Insurance from nationwide would be about $90 a month. Gas is lets call it $100 per month. So lets call it $650 per month in expenses.



Lets say our young student has a decent job earning $15 per hour as a caddy or it support or whatever you want. Lets say he or she works 25 hours per week (not at all unreasonable assuming some weekend hours).

Thats $375 per week, $750 per paycheck, and $1500 per month. The government will get its cut of lets say 30%, all in.

Thats $1050 per month, net.

Assuming tuition and housing is covered (scholarship, parents, whatever).

That gives him $400 per month left over for entertainment or savings.

All of this assumes that A) he buys a $28k E55 (there are plenty cheaper, such as http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Merce...item27b0ce89ac), and B) that the student doesn't have a trade in.

Lets say he buys a $24k E55, has a trade worth $4k, and keeps the $5k down payment.

The monthly payment drops to $300