W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

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Old May 17, 2010 | 12:26 PM
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Please read my last post again and show at the link!
My E55K has 553 hp at the crank and 513 hp at the rear wheels, 600 lft. This is what I wrote.
Beyond I wrote that the first dyno test (without mods) show following datas: 491 hp (crank) and 536 lft. Mercedes specify the E55K with 476 hp (crank) and 516 lft.

So what I mean is, that the first dyno test (491 hp > crank) and the specify datas from mercedes (476 hp > crank) are not very different. No engine has exactly the specify numbers. Because of this I make conclusions that the dynometer shows no wrong / constrained results.

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Yes I did. The second last pic shows the new extra reservoir.

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I quite believe it! But I offer this HE by Mercedes. Perhaps the german cars have other modification as the american cars. One reason is the temperature / ambient air in germany. I know german cars (E55K) use a different thermostat for cooling circuit. Perhaps the HE are different too, means smaller than in usa.
553 crank horsepower would be 454 wheel horsepower figuring 18% drivetrain loss.
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Old May 17, 2010 | 12:26 PM
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All information has my friend which modified the circuit.
I will give him a call.

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Please show at the link. There you will find the data sheet from the dyno.
I don´t know how you get 18%.

The dyno will measure the deficit hps.

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Old May 17, 2010 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by lorie
All information has my friend which modified the circuit.
I will give him a call.

@930chas
Please show at the link. There you will find the data sheet from the dyno.
I don´t know how you get 18%.

The dyno will measure the deficit hps.
I was just going by your statement, "My E55K has 553 hp at the crank and 513 hp at the rear wheels," using the standard 18% drivetrain loss to arrive at rwhp, if your car has 553 hp at the crank then it would actually have 454 hp at the rear wheels.
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Old May 17, 2010 | 12:50 PM
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Thanks for sharing ...any pics with the bumper off
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Old May 17, 2010 | 01:03 PM
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And what is with the numbers which shows the dyno sheet at the point: "Radleistung" (translate: hp at the wheels)?
You can find it at point 2 the second line (377 kw)
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Old May 17, 2010 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by EcoScope
Pulley + ECU tune and you got 513 rwhp? It is really very impressive, I believe usually with Pulley + Tune it is somewhere around 470 rwhp (a little bit up or down) if i am not mistaking.
you guys should know better by now that the only truly comparable dyno numbers are pre and post from the same dyno. trying to figure out how 513rwhp from an anonymous dyno compares against any other car/dyno numbers is worthless and will only lead to argument. the only safe statement is that his car performs pretty close to any other car with a pulley, tune, and decent cooling mods.

unfortunately, until we get a better i/c set-up or figure out chemical intercooling...our iat mods will all yield similar results (no matter how extravagant).
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Old May 17, 2010 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lorie
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And what is with the numbers which shows the dyno sheet at the point: "Radleistung" (translate: hp at the wheels)?
You can find it at point 2 the second line (377 kw)
That equates to 505hp. I am not arguing with you I am just stating that if you use the standard 18% drivetrain loss, 553 crank horsepower doesn't equal 513 wheel horsepower.
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Old May 17, 2010 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 930chas
That equates to 505hp. I am not arguing with you I am just stating that if you use the standard 18% drivetrain loss, 553 crank horsepower doesn't equal 513 wheel horsepower.
377 kw equates 513 hp and not 505 hp.
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Old May 17, 2010 | 03:12 PM
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please disconect the pipe from the engine cooling circuit to the intercooler circuit, then no water will be pressed out of the additional filler tank reservoir any more. i did the same mistake at my first intercooler split/ additional he install.
if you want send me a pm i'll describe it in german...
with the right mods you'll gain monstrous power from the 55K.
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Old May 17, 2010 | 03:18 PM
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Please read post #23 + #24 !
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Old May 17, 2010 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lorie
377 kw equates 513 hp and not 505 hp.
What he is trying to convert is NOT from kw to hp, he is going from crank hp to wheel hp. So for example, a 500 crank hp car with 18% drivetrain loss would measure 410 wheel hp on a dyno: 500 - (500 * 0.18) = 410 whp.

He is trying to say that if your car makes 553 crank hp, then it is approximately equivalent to making 453 wheel hp. And if it makes 513 wheel hp, then it is approximately equivalent to making 625 crank hp.
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Old May 17, 2010 | 03:43 PM
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MB Forever I understand what he is trying to convent but I have to know where you get the 18%. Is this a general number? On which way was this number measured/figured out?

AND what is with the number of my data sheet which tells me 513 hp at the wheels?
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Old May 17, 2010 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lorie
MB Forever I understand what he is trying to convent but I have to know where you get the 18%. Is this a general number? On which way was this number measured/figured out?

AND what is with the number of my data sheet which tells me 513 hp at the wheels?
The 18% is just an average number used by many of the big Mercedes tuners for the drivetrain loss based on what they've seen after dynoing hundreds of MBs. The number you are getting is also a wheel hp number. My guess is that your dyno is calculating (estimating) the crank hp using a completely different number: 8%... which appears to be way too low for drivetrain loss
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Old May 17, 2010 | 11:03 PM
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Ok, after all this disscusion

Can I get the part number for the C32 HE please?
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Old May 18, 2010 | 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
way to think out of the box! i went to a lot of trouble with my iat cooling mods as well only to confirm my fears that the i/c core itself is the limiting factor no matter how strong our h/e set-up is.
Absolutely correct!
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Old May 18, 2010 | 07:59 AM
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Ok guys here are the infos!
The HE is obstructed in: C30 AMG, CL 65 AMG, SL 65 AMG, G55 AMG
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