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Old 09-28-2010, 07:14 PM
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KC HAS NO REAL EXPERIENCE W/ OUR CARS AND NO KIT IS AVAILABLE,I'M WORKING ON PUTTING A KIT TOGETHER W/ THEM BUT EVERY CAR IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON MODS.I'VE BEEN RUNNING IT FOR ABOUT 4-5 MONTHS BUT I DON'T DRIVE MY CAR MUCH,I'VE ONLY GOT 7K ON IT.I ORIG. INSTALLED THE "RACE" KIT BUT HAD SOME PROBLEMS W/ THE VALVE.I'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THAT BUT THE USED KC CORE I GOT IS LEAKING SO I HAVE TO REMOVE IT AND REBRAZE THE A/C CONNECTION.SINCE I'M DOING SOME OTHER WORK TO THE I/C SYSTEM I HAVEN'T TAKEN IT OUT YET. COUPLE MORE IPHONE PICTURES.MORE TO COME...................
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KC HAS NO REAL EXPERIENCE W/ OUR CARS AND NO KIT IS AVAILABLE,I'M WORKING ON PUTTING A KIT TOGETHER W/ THEM BUT EVERY CAR IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON MODS.I'VE BEEN RUNNING IT FOR ABOUT 4-5 MONTHS BUT I DON'T DRIVE MY CAR MUCH,I'VE ONLY GOT 7K ON IT.I ORIG. INSTALLED THE "RACE" KIT BUT HAD SOME PROBLEMS W/ THE VALVE.I'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THAT BUT THE USED KC CORE I GOT IS LEAKING SO I HAVE TO REMOVE IT AND REBRAZE THE A/C CONNECTION.SINCE I'M DOING SOME OTHER WORK TO THE I/C SYSTEM I HAVEN'T TAKEN IT OUT YET. COUPLE MORE IPHONE PICTURES.MORE TO COME...................
Glad you decided to post up Scott. I really wanted to say more but it wasn't my place.
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very interesting. thank you MBTEK
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Let's hurry up and get that bad boy in my car and we'll put it to the test. I drive the crap out of my car the way it was intended to be driven. Just tell me when and you know I'll drop my car off in a heartbeat...lol.
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yes yes yes, please test it more, and if it works i am going for 1 as well.
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KC HAS NO REAL EXPERIENCE W/ OUR CARS AND NO KIT IS AVAILABLE,I'M WORKING ON PUTTING A KIT TOGETHER W/ THEM BUT EVERY CAR IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON MODS.I'VE BEEN RUNNING IT FOR ABOUT 4-5 MONTHS BUT I DON'T DRIVE MY CAR MUCH,I'VE ONLY GOT 7K ON IT.I ORIG. INSTALLED THE "RACE" KIT BUT HAD SOME PROBLEMS W/ THE VALVE.I'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THAT BUT THE USED KC CORE I GOT IS LEAKING SO I HAVE TO REMOVE IT AND REBRAZE THE A/C CONNECTION.SINCE I'M DOING SOME OTHER WORK TO THE I/C SYSTEM I HAVEN'T TAKEN IT OUT YET. COUPLE MORE IPHONE PICTURES.MORE TO COME...................
what display is that ?
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Dashdaq data logger,I've got preliminary parts list together,just waiting for price from kc and auto parts store.
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Dashdaq data logger,I've got preliminary parts list together,just waiting for price from kc and auto parts store.
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I don't have the stomach to run a meth setup...

I'm going to be cheering on this project till the finish line!
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So- Can we get a ballpark for this mod-- what does the cost look like?
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I'll have a kit going in as soon as Scott has the time. I'll report back once we get some good logs and from there I'm sure he'll have much more details on pricing and availability.
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Originally Posted by shardul
can anyone confirm that IAT is the only parameter that pulls timing. Now if we get the IATs in control and some other factor is still pulling timing
Boost , load, iats... All can be tweaked in your tune.. But you can run a much more aggressive map(timing) and boost if IAT 's are low ...

I am also up for this kit ... I think a dedicated tune would bring the best out ... Allowing more agressive timing wrt to boost.
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I have a couple of questions: (1) On a long (let's say 25 seconds) WOT pull will the IAT remain substantially lower? In other words, is there sufficient BTU capacity to maintain lower IAT for more than a few seconds? (2) What is the recovery time after a WOT pull? I would assume most of you don't need reduced IAT for more than 12 seconds.

The KC videos are impressive, however the pulls are for only a few seconds, so we don't know what the IAT's would be beyond that.
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Originally Posted by AgSilver
I have a couple of questions: (1) On a long (let's say 25 seconds) WOT pull will the IAT remain substantially lower? In other words, is there sufficient BTU capacity to maintain lower IAT for more than a few seconds? (2) What is the recovery time after a WOT pull? I would assume most of you don't need reduced IAT for more than 12 seconds.

The KC videos are impressive, however the pulls are for only a few seconds, so we don't know what the IAT's would be beyond that.
Where in the heck do you have room to do a 25 second WOT pull? Unless you're entering your car in the Texas Mile? I don't know about you, but I don't think I've ever been able to run my car wide open for 25 seconds. For most people, any IAT increase after 12-15 seconds is moot.
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I have dump question.

It says AC to cool down IAT, so, does this mean the AC will be on?
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Where in the heck do you have room to do a 25 second WOT pull? Unless you're entering your car in the Texas Mile? I don't know about you, but I don't think I've ever been able to run my car wide open for 25 seconds. For most people, any IAT increase after 12-15 seconds is moot.
The A60, the Nordschleife (about 45 minutes from me) and occasionally Hockenheim (about an hour away). I previously acknowledged that most of you are only interested in 12 seconds or less. My interests lay elsewhere.

This operation is about 45 minutes from me. They have much higher capacity bolt on IC's for the E55 and when used with a higher capacity HE, provide a significant reduction of the IAT.

http://www.vaeth.com/en/vehicle-refi.../e-55-amg.html

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The A60, the Nordschleife (about 45 minutes from me) and occasionally Hockenheim (about an hour away). I previously acknowledged that most of you are only interested in 12 seconds or less. My interests lay elsewhere.
WOW how did the E55 handle on the north circuit?
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Originally Posted by AgSilver
The A60, the Nordschleife (about 45 minutes from me) and occasionally Hockenheim (about an hour away). I previously acknowledged that most of you are only interested in 12 seconds or less. My interests lay elsewhere.

This operation is about 45 minutes from me. They have much higher capacity bolt on IC's for the E55 and when used with a higher capacity HE, provide a significant reduction of the IAT.

http://www.vaeth.com/en/vehicle-refi.../e-55-amg.html

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Originally Posted by AgSilver
I have a couple of questions: (1) On a long (let's say 25 seconds) WOT pull will the IAT remain substantially lower? In other words, is there sufficient BTU capacity to maintain lower IAT for more than a few seconds? (2) What is the recovery time after a WOT pull? I would assume most of you don't need reduced IAT for more than 12 seconds.

The KC videos are impressive, however the pulls are for only a few seconds, so we don't know what the IAT's would be beyond that.
Well it can't get worse than it would be without a KC.. any cooling effect is good cooling effect..
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WOW how did the E55 handle on the north circuit?
On a nice day with me driving, about 9 minutes 30 seconds. With a friend who is a pro and has won at the Nordschleife and has more than 1000 laps we are looking for around 7:45, perhaps 7:35. The car is pretty stout with lightweight brakes, LSD, various suspension improvements and we will use some real sticky Toyos. Compared to the way it came from AMG . . . well there is no comparison. But this will probably have to wait until we return next summer as we are running out of usable days as far as the weather goes.
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that is impressive... 7:45.
post some pics up i always enjoy seeing some ring beauties.

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