mthis

Mikes runs were dont at 4:04 and 4:07.pm

blackbenzz

I wouldn't run a boosted car at 12.5:1 afr but that's just me

Thericker

I can see how/why people are questioning these incredible times for a C63 w/about 500 rwhp it weighs very close to 4000 lbs w/driver...

Ok Enter SAME TRACK "MIR" near SAME weather in Nov 2007 (Negative - 700 DA @ time of his run) with C6 Z06 & drag radials driven by none other than Jamie Furman (C6 Z06 even in BONE STOCK trim have dyno'd as HIGH as 480-500 rwhp)

W/Jamie, in Z06 it weighed 3200 lbs also has very aggressive STOCK 3.42 gears. He ONLY Trapped 130.05 mph & barely beat your ET @ 10.83


Yet your 4 door near 4000 lb C63 out Traps him by 1.5 mph @ 131.4xx mph & ET 10.87 that's an 800 lb difference...

Your C63 #'s Notice Jamies Z06 is running 3 mph faster than you @ the 1/8 mile yet you increase your speed in the back half to finally beat his Trap by 1.5 mph


NOT saying you used Nitrous but even when you factor in Negative DA these #'s vs C6 Z06 prof driven by Jamie Furman Don't add up...

IE you weigh 800 lbs more w/very equal powerplants same weather/track yet defy physics very puzzling indeed.

Whatever the reason your ET's & Traps are

Benz-O-Rama

Ironically enough, Jamie Furman was there with us yesterday in his 250 mile ZR-1. That's right, 250 miles on it! Matter of fact, there were 2 ZR-1s there.

Note to self....don't ever ever ever try to race a new ZR1.

Thericker

I just looked @ my Dyno sheets, I was off a bit, reads exactly 12.0 @ Redline....

ALL V12tt's run 12.0 range when tuned... Unless tuned for Racegas, there's plenty of high powered 65's on 109 octane running lean n' mean @ 13.5 + A/F Absolutely 100% safe as long as the owner always uses Race gas.. But alas' you know more than RENNtech my bad

S65 tuned by RENNtech on racegas
2006 Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG RENNtech Dyno Dynamometer Results Graph
Horsepower: 610.83 HP
Torque: 720.00 ft-lbs
11.069 @ 128.716 in the 1/4 mile

dodger63

Rials + mickeys = heavy u will drop 15-20 solid pounds per Side with the other setup!

LOCO 05' E55

VIDEO OF CLAYTON'S 11.19 PASS!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNeFJ6qYNzo

dodger63

You loco... Ring ring ring. Ring. RING RING

LOCO 05' E55

tried uploading it for ya but wont play..

blackbenzz

And the ZR1 record was broken by Kyle. Arguably the 2 best vette drivers out there.

Thericker

Can you please explain this?

@ Same MIR track few months ago you ran nearly same 60' nearly same mods nearly same weight 4000 lbs but ONLY ran 11.23 @ 123mph in Positive DA +1200 thru +1400 still when corrected to Negative -1642 DA, it doesn't = 10.87 @ 131.4 http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-21852.html
You'd have to run 11.06 ET to get it to correct to 10.87 w/Negative -1642 DA though Traps would only be 128 mph, not 131.4 mph...& someone else pointed out your runs were done @ 4pm DA was only about Negative -1000 @ that time.

Mthis runs 11.19 @ 125mph nearly same 60' nearly same mods, same or better DA Negative -1500 Same Weight with driver (lbs): 3910
Yet you Trap 6+ mph more than him & nearly 3.5 tenths quicker ET's
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-22171.html

The ONLY other C63 Trapping 130+ mph Runs Nitrous & has Heads/Cams & a lot of mods you don't have yet, STILL Traps 1 odd mph less than you http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-21616.html (11.11 @ 130.47 when on 125-160 shot of Nitrous) When OFF the bottle traps go back down to 124-125mph.. & ET @ 11.24 Dads C63 weighs a scant 100 odd lbs more than yours..

& I believe you stated your C63 makes 500 rwhp, I'm STILL NOT accusing you of using Nitrous, but HOW do you explain this oddity?

blackbenzz

I know you like reading and posting so please go do some research on what the ideal afr range on a turbo car is and report back with your findings. Please don't post things like "13.5 + A/F Absolutely 100% safe as long as the owner always uses Race gas". Unless you want to replace peoples melted pistons etc for them after they follow your advice

Benz-O-Rama

Ahhhhhhh, so that's what it sounds like.

Thanks Luis. Believe it or not, that's only the second of my runs captured on video.

I Appreciate the effort man.

Thericker

LOL says the guy w/how many more 1,000's of posts than I???

Yeah... How many engines has RENNtech melted??? This coming from a guy who couldn't understand why getting 2 of his friends to stand in his trunk while on a Load bearing DD would change the final #'s extremely higher/lower w/out entering the EXACT weight per person. Or how heavily/extra strapping the car to Dyno would impose an even further load on DD or Mustang IE ANY load bearing Dyno & further skew #'s

Go buy, then mod a v12tt & report back about A/F... So... I guess you're saying Jeremy doesn't know what a proper/safe A/F ratio is? Since he tuned it & it's been flawless goin on 1.5 yrs now..

Go ahead & ask the other V12tt's on this board or ANY reputable tuner if 12.0 A/F @ redline is safe/good for a nicely modded/tuned V12tt? Thanx for your concern

Worth the wait

For a guy who hasn't run his car you sure do a bang up job running your mouth.

I can't wait until you finally finish your car and take it to the track for a few passes.
You may just learn that bench racing is an absolute waste of time when you have troubles running in the 11's.
Although I am sure you will have a laundry list of reasons why it didn't even get close to breaking the record, but is actually a faster car.

Sucess on the drag strip takes dedication more than anything else. Commitment to chassis development, driving skill, trackside tweaking and above all never losing sight of your goal.

Clearly your commitment lies elsewhere.......

blackbenzz

You are always trying to argue. I'm just asking you to not post claims that you aren't sure of. I'm trying to help you learn and since you don't believe what I say go do the research for yourself. Also trying to prevent people running 14:1 afr on a boosted car. Ask any tuner if that's safe and see what they say You act like you are an expert but like I said you have done nothing but read and post what you've read. At least read the correct info and stop spreading misinformation

Thericker

Sorry If you find my inquisitive posts annoying As I stated earlier & many other times I'm just a HUGE FAN.... & have NOTHING but respect for those running these beasts routinely

Thericker

WoW amad here you go again... Care to elaborate on your Load bearing dyno expertise? RENNtech & many others tune lean n' mean for race-fuel.. 12.0 A/F is the Norm for modded V12tt on 91-93 oct... But what do I know? I've ONLY owned/modded/researched these V12tt's for 3 yrs

You obviously know more than I, thanks for the tips champ.. Here's a novel thought stop trying to correct/argue w/me or anybody who disagrees w/you, your ego's far to big..

mthis

For the record the other c63 (dadc63) dint have cams when he trapped 130 and he had a bad tranny so his trap could have been way higher.

The other think I noticed with our c63's is that going from 1.63 60 foot to 1.60 is good for a .10 or .15.

LOCO 05' E55

No problem! It is good to have a video or 2 of your car...I know is tough to record, swap wheels like i did for hrs lol and to run the car..That's why a pit crew comes handy (hagi)...half the time I bring the camera to take shots of the cars and forget all about it..

Speedriven1

Seems like the mph isn't adding up. What gear was this pull in?

Speedriven1

FYI, all: we've found a few new things in the TCU that should make things interesting once the snow melts.

Stay tuned!

Benz-O-Rama

Hey Jo!

So in your opinion, what should the afr be on a tuned (91 and 93) V12TT?

Can you also PM me the TCU advancements?

Thanks.

dodger63

dads did not have cams for that run

dodger63

its mind blowing what this car done.. and wait lower times are in my future