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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 06:30 PM
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Hey Addict, looking back right now, would you yank the whole engine out if you had to do it again??

Just curious. Seems like you are almost there.
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Old Jan 16, 2011 | 07:31 PM
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ohh man sry to hear that, good luck with your rebuild.

if your looking for a motor you can pm bruce from ttm "TTMotorsports" i think he has a 55K motor laying around his shop.
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Originally Posted by stevebez
Ugh that hurts to see ... really sorry.

I would consider doing all the pistons after a tear down like that... u/stand cost is always a consideration but seems if one piston has gone reasonable to assume one or two more might be on their way...and would not want to tear the motor up again.

I would also go for forged replacements... I just dont know where you can get a set that is a direct swap.

I think this motor is very strong still I checked the rest of the 3 pistons they are good! Judging by the compression I think bank 1 is good too. I researched and found for some reason in early 03 production engines cylinder #6 always seems to be the weakest

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If the forged piston option doesn't pan out, I have a few stock pistons you can have free of charge.
Thanks Jerry! You are the man and will be refereed to all my friends here!


Originally Posted by slownrusty
Can you post the compression results? Also did you do a leak down? Personally, I am not a big fan of replacing just one piston on any engine, especially an engine that suffered detonation or over-heating. A little extra effort in replacing crank bearings and a physical inspection of all the pistons (and rings) will go a long way for engine longevity. By the way, JE will make any custom forged piston for about $200-$250US per slug...I recently went through this with another project car I have.

Sorry to hear about the tragedy, but you have the right spirit and I wish you the best getting your CL back up and running soon.
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All the compression from bank 1 and 2 were from a consistent 150-160PSI except for #6 had a crappy 40-60PSI. I did a leak down test to make sure it's not the valves and the valves seem to be good, do damage on them. Jerry is a good man and is helping me out on this alot! I love this engine and have not given up on it just yet, it will be back up and running soon!

Originally Posted by Exotic-metal55
I have several low mileage pistons.. PM, and let me know..
I'll let you know!

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How many did you clock in before you noticed the vibration?
The car has now 146,000 Miles! Started few hundred miles before... then it got worse and worse.

Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Hey Addict, looking back right now, would you yank the whole engine out if you had to do it again??

Just curious. Seems like you are almost there.
I wouldn't take the whole engine out considering I gotta drain out the ABC suspension fluid ( I just got a ABC flush done 2k miles ago) , the AC lines and whole lot of other stuff still needs to be removed and drained. It looks like it can be pulled out easily but will add about 10x more work. I wouldn't yank the engine out, rather leave it in. Also check my motor mounts they are good!

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Old Jan 17, 2011 | 09:36 AM
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Aren't these engine blocks coated with Alumasil or the like? Did the coating get messed up whenh the pistons broke? I would hate for you to put it back together and have it blowing smoke because of the messed up coating. Good luck.

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Old Jan 17, 2011 | 11:03 AM
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Barf.

Looks eerily familiar to me.

On my C32 I had some carbon build up break free and lodge open an exhaust valve that a piston then slammed into. Symptoms - no compression, no go, all sorts of hell breaking loose on my dash.

Scarred piston:


Bent valve:



Cylinder walls were just fine though thank god.



I feel for you.

I was adamant about having an AMG tech do the rebuild for me. Cost me almost as much as that damn car was worth and I was 3000 miles out of warranty. Learned my lesson there.
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Old Jan 17, 2011 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by WHTEVO
Aren't these engine blocks coated with Alumasil or the like? Did the coating get messed up whenh the pistons broke? I would hate for you to put it back together and have it blowing smoke because of the messed up coating. Good luck.

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It's not a coating. The piston bores are made from Alusil. It's approximately 70% aluminum and 30% silicon. A special honing process brings out the silicon in the aluminum. The bores are incredibly hard and last a very long time if the engine is properly maintained.

http://www.videos.es/reproductor/mer...g-(-ek5qv8Nmg0
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Old Jan 18, 2011 | 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by pullejo
Barf.

Looks eerily familiar to me.

On my C32 I had some carbon build up break free and lodge open an exhaust valve that a piston then slammed into. Symptoms - no compression, no go, all sorts of hell breaking loose on my dash.

Scarred piston:


Bent valve:



Cylinder walls were just fine though thank god.



I feel for you.

I was adamant about having an AMG tech do the rebuild for me. Cost me almost as much as that damn car was worth and I was 3000 miles out of warranty. Learned my lesson there.
ouch, what happened when it [exhaust valve] hit the piston? and how much did the bill amount to? feel free not to answer, up to you
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Old Jan 18, 2011 | 09:23 AM
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 12:59 AM
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I just wanna say a special thank you to Jerry and Jake from Eurocharged! With out you guys today would not have been possible! I highly recommend them to everyone!!!!

She's aliveeeeeeee! After many many many hours of tearing it down and rebuilding it back together and tearing it down again and again to do the timing right finally got every thing back together and shes up and running! I started it up and let it idle for now for a while all is good. She's loud.. peter you should know lol so I can't drive it right now wake up all the neighbors so I can't wait for tomorrow!

Here are some pics: (ew the supercharger needs new paint)
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 01:34 AM
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 09:04 AM
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I just wanna say a special thank you to Jerry and Jake from Eurocharged! With out you guys today would not have been possible! I highly recommend them to everyone!!!!

She's aliveeeeeeee! After many many many hours of tearing it down and rebuilding it back together and tearing it down again and again to do the timing right finally got every thing back together and shes up and running! I started it up and let it idle for now for a while all is good. She's loud.. peter you should know lol so I can't drive it right now wake up all the neighbors so I can't wait for tomorrow!

Here are some pics: (ew the supercharger needs new paint)
Im glad we could help!
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 09:07 AM
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Fantastic news! Congrats man. *** great work on the rebuild too. Goes to show with a little determination and know how that these cars can be brought back from the brink without breaking the bank!
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 09:50 AM
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I just wanna say a special thank you to Jerry and Jake from Eurocharged! With out you guys today would not have been possible! I highly recommend them to everyone!!!!
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 11:10 AM
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ouch, what happened when it [exhaust valve] hit the piston? and how much did the bill amount to? feel free not to answer, up to you
Total was a little over $10K for all the parts and labor. Pretty brutal.

When it happened (I didn't necessarily "feel" anything) it was interesting because believe it or not for about 5-10 minutes after a cold start up, the car drove fine. Once things got warm, the valve actually expands some and wouldn't create a seal...so it misfired...shut itself down...and was just a total mess.

Just a freak scenario. Sucked.
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 03:13 PM
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wow 10Gs? did u take it to a dealership? seems high to replace a piston and valve
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 03:23 PM
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Besides the immortal Finnie from Down Under, this has to be the most extreme DIY I have ever seen

Amazing bro!
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Besides the immortal Finnie from Down Under, this has to be the most extreme DIY I have ever seen

Amazing bro!
haha Finny's pictures were so helpful!

Thanks guys, this has been a brutal DIY but made alot easier thanks to Jerry and Jake . Some minor things I got to take care of now but the main big part is done. Battery is dead, I charged it and tried to start the engine but starter motor is just going "click, click, click". hmm.. time for new battery?
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Battery is dead, I charged it and tried to start the engine but starter motor is just going "click, click, click". hmm.. time for new battery?
That doesnt sound good. Hope its nothing serious.
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Old Feb 8, 2011 | 07:08 PM
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OK gave the battery a really good long charge and it starts up just fine. Oil seems to be leaking from the pan area must sort out all the little glitches now. But already it feels alot better than before!
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Glad to hear it wasn't a serious issue.
The oil leak is common, so are the glitches. Hopefully you'll get them sorted on your next visit to the shop and you'll be off to enjoying your ride again.
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Originally Posted by pullejo
Total was a little over $10K for all the parts and labor. Pretty brutal.

When it happened (I didn't necessarily "feel" anything) it was interesting because believe it or not for about 5-10 minutes after a cold start up, the car drove fine. Once things got warm, the valve actually expands some and wouldn't create a seal...so it misfired...shut itself down...and was just a total mess.

Just a freak scenario. Sucked.
Wow...10K is much more than I expected. How much were the parts alone if I may ask?
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youd think a piston and valve would be, maybe $4-500 ea piston and $1-300 ea for the valve? im not 100% sure but 10k? thats ridiculous
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Originally Posted by 03'55AMG
youd think a piston and valve would be, maybe $4-500 ea piston and $1-300 ea for the valve? im not 100% sure but 10k? thats ridiculous
mercedes labor is killer....

Glad to see you got her up and running. If you need anything or have any questions let me know!

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