Retro fitting a whipple to an E55
10-12-2011, 10:55 AM
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Retro fitting a whipple to an E55
Lets see where this go's, but I will definitely do some digging once the spare unit comes in.
Whipple currently sells 2.3's; 2.9's; 3.4's and 4.0 blowers. Imagine popping the hood and seeing this monster under there, got fuel rail
Check out those monsters.
This is a 3.4 and can spin up to 30lbs with no problem. Even the little 2.3's make low 600rwhp on 20lbs with little 4.6 Ford motors. You guys would die if you knew what these can be had for too, lets just say that for the blower, inlet and pulley, it is still cheaper than what some are selling their exhaust systems for our platform
Does anyone have a pic of the under side of their AMG blowers so we can see the inlet specs? Feel free to post comments and or thoughts, you just never know
Whipple currently sells 2.3's; 2.9's; 3.4's and 4.0 blowers. Imagine popping the hood and seeing this monster under there, got fuel rail
Check out those monsters.This is a 3.4 and can spin up to 30lbs with no problem. Even the little 2.3's make low 600rwhp on 20lbs with little 4.6 Ford motors. You guys would die if you knew what these can be had for too, lets just say that for the blower, inlet and pulley, it is still cheaper than what some are selling their exhaust systems for our platform
Does anyone have a pic of the under side of their AMG blowers so we can see the inlet specs? Feel free to post comments and or thoughts, you just never know
10-12-2011, 11:10 AM
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Think I just pitched a tent.
When you say a pic of the underside do you mean with measurements being show or just a pic of the underside? There is the thread Shardul made where he installed his meth injection that had a pic or two of the blower upside down but not sure that is what you are wanting.
Edit: Just looked at those pics and there aren't any good ones showing the whole bottom. click
When you say a pic of the underside do you mean with measurements being show or just a pic of the underside? There is the thread Shardul made where he installed his meth injection that had a pic or two of the blower upside down but not sure that is what you are wanting.
Edit: Just looked at those pics and there aren't any good ones showing the whole bottom. click
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10-12-2011, 11:12 AM
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Yes, that would do perfectly. From what I can tell, the surge tanks would definitely be a problem. Not to sound like a newb, but what exactly is the function of the tanks?
10-12-2011, 11:17 AM
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A simple transition to get the air from blower in to the heads and it probably acts as some sort of a boost resevoir to have slightly more volume readily available. I am sure it would make no difference them being there or not as long as you get the air from blower to the heads. Afterall the top mount intercoolers flow the air directly right through the intercooler and right down in to the heads.
10-12-2011, 12:40 PM
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With the efficiency of the whipple and an extra .8l of displacement compared to the Ford 4.6's ohh lordy I could definately see people hitting 700whp if you could pull off the swap. Props for starting this discussion Craig
10-12-2011, 01:06 PM
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I would take pics with measurements from one side to the other to show the distance of the intake runners and also the distance of them between each other on each side. Also maybe the everall length of the blower to show how it would sit with the inlets lining up with the head (with mods to them obviously) to be sure the front pulley could line up with the other pullies in our car.
10-12-2011, 01:07 PM
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What is nice about the whiplpes to, is that once you build the adpapter intake from blower to engine, in the cobra's for example, you can switch between blower sizes as they all have the same intake fitting, it is pure bolt on. So you can go from a 2.3 to a 3.4 within just a couple of hours, no fab work at all. Pulleys on the snout can be changed in minutes.
With so many blowers that whipple makes, just because the cobra blower does not work in terms of sizing, one of their others might. Go on there website and see how many they make for different applications. They even make marine blowers, I saw an 8.3litre up there, loll.
When I get home tonight, I will take measurements from the AMG blower, the Whipple 2.3 Blower, and once the 3.4 comes in, that one too. Will just document it in this thread.
I am thinking the whipple to have that will require the least amount of work is for the Ford Lightning or F150. Both our blocks and theirs are SOHC 5.4 litre specs.
With so many blowers that whipple makes, just because the cobra blower does not work in terms of sizing, one of their others might. Go on there website and see how many they make for different applications. They even make marine blowers, I saw an 8.3litre up there, loll.
When I get home tonight, I will take measurements from the AMG blower, the Whipple 2.3 Blower, and once the 3.4 comes in, that one too. Will just document it in this thread.
I am thinking the whipple to have that will require the least amount of work is for the Ford Lightning or F150. Both our blocks and theirs are SOHC 5.4 litre specs.
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Chawkins, great project. If I did not go V12 this was definitely on my list. Gla to see you take it on. I don't see why it would work with some modifications to the unit.
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C32/C55 AMG
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Here are a few pics to help you out. From finny's thread:
Link for more pics: https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...ock-awe-3.html
Intercooler:
Link: https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...er_compare.jpg
10-12-2011, 04:39 PM
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From my understanding the air is compressed in the supercharger sent through the intercooler and then through the surge tanks into the engine. The supercharger has an elevated portion attached to each side of the supercharger where the surge tanks sit. So you would need to create spacers to get the surge tanks to fit if you went with factory surge tanks. Take in mind the surge tanks area is set up to accept the fuel injectors.
What I'm unsure about is how they were able to fool the ecu into thinking that the clutch is still active. We had some one in the C32 forums try to incorporate a switch to turn off the supercharger and the ecu would put the car into safe mode. I think they put an interrupter switch in the line that controls the supercharger clutch, but it didn't work. I think Eurocharged may know of a way to fool the ecu into thinking that the supercharger clutch is still there. I think they did it on a turbo srt-6 where they eliminated the supercharger all together.
We have another member on the C32 thread that added a different supercharger as well, but he runs a standalone system.
Here are some pics:
2.6L Supercharger
Design for intake or surge tanks and the injectors.
Mock up
Almost complete:
Complete:
C32T
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https://mbworld.org/forums/c32-amg-c...t-7-800hp.html
What I'm unsure about is how they were able to fool the ecu into thinking that the clutch is still active. We had some one in the C32 forums try to incorporate a switch to turn off the supercharger and the ecu would put the car into safe mode. I think they put an interrupter switch in the line that controls the supercharger clutch, but it didn't work. I think Eurocharged may know of a way to fool the ecu into thinking that the supercharger clutch is still there. I think they did it on a turbo srt-6 where they eliminated the supercharger all together.
We have another member on the C32 thread that added a different supercharger as well, but he runs a standalone system.
Here are some pics:
2.6L Supercharger
Design for intake or surge tanks and the injectors.
Mock up
Almost complete:
Complete:
C32T
Link:
https://mbworld.org/forums/c32-amg-c...t-7-800hp.html
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10-12-2011, 05:07 PM
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You would need the intake runners from your supercharger or you would need to copy the design to use your factory surge tanks. You could chop them off your super charger and the supercharger would still be functional, but the supercharger wouldn't would then be useless for an E55 because they would need the intake runners, could work for some one that wants to do a project like this:
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