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Old 04-27-2012, 03:24 PM
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holy ****... how do you not understand that shops like Evosport and Speedriven are businesses. businesses have one thing on their mind, and that's to make money.

If Speedriven constantly has PAYING customers coming through the door asking for upgrades starting from ECU flashes to upraded turbos, do you honestly believe they are going to turn away work just because they have some E55 headers to develop that they MIGHT sell 10 sets of?

it's all about priorities, and they got theirs in order. The E55 platform is almost 10 yrs old and whether you like it or not, shops have to move on with the times and develop products for new, updated platforms. Just because 5 years ago 3 vendors would have new products coming out every 2 months, doesnt mean that the trend that will continue.

Bottom line, the answer to your question is simple. The shop has more profitable work that takes up their time and developing a set of E55 headers is VERY low on their priority list, as it should be.
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They took deposits for 10 sets and WILL sell more if they make decent power.

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Nitrous, I'm not buying "Ohh we used it on Dyno just to see what'd do but not on 1/4 runs" right pull this finger you're a smarmy bi*tch STFUKUP
Looks like that was directed at me. I must of had a secret bottle when i ran 10.54,10.56 and 10.58 with the bottle out of the car or maybe when i did use nitrous it ran 10.52@118 coasting thru the traps any normal person would be able to figure out when it was on spray but not you. Like always your pissed because you car is still in the 11's and you got your a** handed to you by a BMW and its all over the internet. Every heard the saying run what ya brung and hope ya brung enough?? They made that saying for you.
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Yet my original question has still not been answered. Go figure...typical of leghumpers.

I wonder if speedriven sells these:



My original question still stands...why would it take over a year to develop a set of headers? I wonder if the supercharger will take just as long.
How bout a more relevant Q will you buy either hmmm thot not you're a joke, if it's not a used POS part or "beat ta' sh*t" no way itll be on ur salvaged titled heap O sh*te
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holy ****... how do you not understand that shops like Evosport and Speedriven are businesses. businesses have one thing on their mind, and that's to make money.

If Speedriven constantly has PAYING customers coming through the door asking for upgrades starting from ECU flashes to upraded turbos, do you honestly believe they are going to turn away work just because they have some E55 headers to develop that they MIGHT sell 10 sets of?

it's all about priorities, and they got theirs in order. The E55 platform is almost 10 yrs old and whether you like it or not, shops have to move on with the times and develop products for new, updated platforms. Just because 5 years ago 3 vendors would have new products coming out every 2 months, doesnt mean that the trend that will continue.

Bottom line, the answer to your question is simple. The shop has more profitable work that takes up their time and developing a set of E55 headers is VERY low on their priority list, as it should be.
They aren't E55 headers, my God why can't people freaking READ! See answer below:

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They took deposits for 10 sets and WILL sell more if they make decent power.

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Deposits....meaning people have already invested money into this and they are getting screwed....hmmmmmmm....

Originally Posted by Thericker
How bout a more relevant Q will you buy either hmmm thot not you're a joke, if it's not a used POS part or "beat ta' sh*t" no way itll be on ur salvaged titled heap O sh*te
Wow, you love to talk trash...I have about $4.5K into my engine and it's the least amount I've EVER put into an engine out of all my cars ( I've dumped over $12K on other engine setups ). What makes you think I won't spend another $6K more on a superior supercharger kit?

And again...why are you still trying to bring me and my car into this when all I asked was a simple question? LOL..Still deviating I see....butthurt anyone?
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Wow...I never though so much pain could come out of a simple question...lol. I was genuinely curious for the answer...but I guess all the leg humpers have led me to the obvious answer...lol.

Guys, you don't have to defend your daddy so fiercely...why not just let Speedriven answer the question properly and let them take care of themselves. Or is it customary to be Speedriven's lawyers whenever someone asks an "inconvenient" question?

Someone calls me slow and I have to take it, but when I say they are slow compared to other cars with similar power their butt buddy comes out and also says I'm slow....have you even tested your 700+whp car at the track?...If not, doesn't that, technically, make my car faster than yours? LOLL.

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you should ask Gaspam, he spewed why does his 851 whp car that weighs only about 300lbs more than an e55 run 2/10ths slower than the 600whp e55's out there [/QUOTE] Thet're have been a multitude of E55's on Spray, I happen to like you & Ahmad.

I was elaborating retorting to gspazz NOT YOU on E55's on bottle period.. THOUGH now you bring it up I do find it hard to stomach your explanation on Nitrous on Dyno then hmmm huh about a baby 40 shot in 1 gear during 1/4 whatever..
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This is why my post count always seems to decrease year after year...Nothing constructive to read upon. Now wonder mercedes can't hold it's value.

It's amazing how other members behave in other forums... Everyone helps each other out and always try to encourage positive behavior and comments. I do come back here when I want a good laugh though.
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Originally Posted by GT-ER
Wow...I never though so much pain could come out of a simple question...lol. I was genuinely curious for the answer...but I guess all the leg humpers have led me to the obvious answer...lol.

Guys, you don't have to defend your daddy so fiercely...why not just let Speedriven answer the question properly and let them take care of themselves. Or is it customary to be Speedriven's lawyers whenever someone asks an "inconvenient" question?

Someone calls me slow and I have to take it, but when I say they are slow compared to other cars with similar power their butt buddy comes out and also says I'm slow....have you even tested your 700+whp car at the track?...If not, doesn't that, technically, make my car faster than yours? LOLL.

I consider your car very slow compared with other E55 with less mods.
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you should ask Gaspam, he spewed why does his 851 whp car that weighs only about 300lbs more than an e55 run 2/10ths slower than the 600whp e55's out there
Thet're have been a multitude of E55's on Spray, I happen to like you & Ahmad.

I was elaborating retorting to gspazz NOT YOU on E55's on bottle period.. THOUGH now you bring it up I do find it hard to stomach your explanation on Nitrous on Dyno then hmmm huh about a baby 40 shot in 1 gear during 1/4 whatever..[/quote]

No, on his best pass he had the Nitrous bottle in his truck
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I consider your car very slow compared with other E55 with less mods.
Way to come in and try to take a stab at me for no apparent reason...lol.

Btw- my car put down 507 on one dyno, 496 on another, 490 uncorrected for both, and 463 on a mustang. Figure whatever you want from it.

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GT-ER, Im pretty sure speeddriven did awnser your question about the headers-another employee took the project on......

Can we get this thread back about the supercharger upgrade, or do you guys want to **** on eachother some more.
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Wait, Ricker you lost to a BMW?

Where is this link ahah
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Wait, Ricker you lost to a BMW?

Where is this link ahah
Not really a loss, the guy had every mod possible Race map @ 19-20 psi + 150-200 shot of nitrous lite dragwheels on 16-17 Hoosier slicks vs my pure heavy st setup on 91 oct, he ran race gas & nitrous + stripped interior lies like a rug about mods, we did 3-4 runs, even w/that edge from 40- 130-140 he couldn't pull on my sl600 1" till past 100-110 mph tot joke i was on st heavy 295/30 19x11' s st tires 91 oct 1/2 tank + heatsoaked as I drove 1+ hrs to meet in his town where lil' Moleman sat stuffing his gobstopper w/IN'N'OUT w/fresh cool engine etc.. Race doesn't even count, I even beat him few times & ran even up to 140'ish @ which point he claimed his 10lb nos bot empty he had 1/8/1/4 tank of 109

He can't even run 10.9x @ strip more like 11.38 while Clays SL600 w/my ECU ONLY MOD from OE runs 11.02 @126+ You be the judge w/this info, vs lying pussboy in 335i that he later grenaded Tranny due to running soooo much nitrous. Just look up his old speedo vidz he says he runs 6.7 60-130 & 137 Trap speeds my *** vid looks CGI enhanced ahhh vent over

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Not really a loss, the guy had every mod possible Race map @ 19-20 psi + 150-200 shot of nitrous lite dragwheels on 16-17 Hoosier slicks vs my pure heavy st setup on 91 oct, he ran race gas & nitrous + stripped interior lies like a rug about mods, we did 3-4 runs, even w/that edge from 40- 130-140 he couldn't pull on my sl600 1" till past 100-110 mph tot joke i was on st heavy 295/30 19x11' s st tires 91 oct 1/2 tank + heatsoaked as I drove 1+ hrs to meet in his town where lil' Moleman sat stuffing his gobstopper w/IN'N'OUT w/fresh cool engine etc.. Race doesn't even count, I even beat him few times & ran even up to 140'ish @ which point he claimed his 10lb nos bot empty he had 1/8/1/4 tank of 109

He can't even run 10.9x @ strip more like 11.38 while Clays SL600 w/my ECU ONLY MOD from OE runs 11.02 @126+ You be the judge w/this info, vs lying pussboy in 335i that he later grenaded Tranny due to running soooo much nitrous. Just look up his old speedo vidz he says he runs 6.7 60-130 & 137 Trap speeds my *** vid looks CGI enhanced ahhh vent over
Oh that 335i scrub, I remember that one.

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GT-ER, Im pretty sure speeddriven did awnser your question about the headers-another employee took the project on......

Can we get this thread back about the supercharger upgrade, or do you guys want to **** on eachother some more.
I hardly find that to be an explanation, but rather an excuse. Perhaps more details may make me think twice of the situation going on with the M112 guys.

Originally Posted by Thericker
Not really a loss, the guy had every mod possible Race map @ 19-20 psi + 150-200 shot of nitrous lite dragwheels on 16-17 Hoosier slicks vs my pure heavy st setup on 91 oct, he ran race gas & nitrous + stripped interior lies like a rug about mods, we did 3-4 runs, even w/that edge from 40- 130-140 he couldn't pull on my sl600 1" till past 100-110 mph tot joke i was on st heavy 295/30 19x11' s st tires 91 oct 1/2 tank + heatsoaked as I drove 1+ hrs to meet in his town where lil' Moleman sat stuffing his gobstopper w/IN'N'OUT w/fresh cool engine etc.. Race doesn't even count, I even beat him few times & ran even up to 140'ish @ which point he claimed his 10lb nos bot empty he had 1/8/1/4 tank of 109

He can't even run 10.9x @ strip more like 11.38 while Clays SL600 w/my ECU ONLY MOD from OE runs 11.02 @126+ You be the judge w/this info, vs lying pussboy in 335i that he later grenaded Tranny due to running soooo much nitrous. Just look up his old speedo vidz he says he runs 6.7 60-130 & 137 Trap speeds my *** vid looks CGI enhanced ahhh vent over




BTW- I haven't received a reply as to your track times on your SL....have you taken it to the track?
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I hardly find that to be an explanation, but rather an excuse. Perhaps more details may make me think twice of the situation going on with the M112 guys.







BTW- I haven't received a reply as to your track times on your SL....have you taken it to the track?
Guy I owe you squat, the 335 tool lied about EVERYTHING, MOSTLY nitrous amount stating it was only a 70 shot, I went to his forum & dug up posts by his fellow members where they ALL say he's full of sh*t & why his tranns blew worse than 1 of your puerto rican hookers go look @ the last few pages of the 60-130 thread here in w211 forums...

Doubt my SL will run faster than Clay's 600 that routinely runs basement 11's on ECU only? I'm here waiting anytime in So Cal, I'll pay for both track fees & your chickencoop airfair ticket until then STFUP all you are is static w/mighty 11.90 @ 119 oooooooo scuuurrryyy Can't believe you think that's fast @ least 2-3 bone STOCK E55's run that & faster Think Enzom ran 11.77 you're a JOKE! Change your sig to Pewter Turtle, beast WTF lololol
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Guy I owe you squat, the 335 tool lied about EVERYTHING, MOSTLY nitrous amount stating it was only a 70 shot, I went to his forum & dug up posts by his fellow members where they ALL say he's full of sh*t & why his tranns blew worse than 1 of your puerto rican hookers go look @ the last few pages of the 60-130 thread here in w211 forums...

Doubt my SL will run faster than Clay's 600 that routinely runs basement 11's on ECU only? I'm here waiting anytime in So Cal, I'll pay for both track fees & your chickencoop airfair ticket until then STFUP all you are is static w/mighty 11.90 @ 119 oooooooo scuuurrryyy Can't believe you think that's fast @ least 2-3 bone STOCK E55's run that & faster Think Enzom ran 11.77 you're a JOKE! Change your sig to Pewter Turtle, beast WTF lololol
So, technically...my car is faster than yours since I actually race it. You have NO CLUE as to how track DA and traction affected my car since you don't even race your car. Typical bench racer.

I never took you for one of those internet bench racers...damn.

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GT-ER, Im pretty sure speeddriven did awnser your question about the headers-another employee took the project on......

Can we get this thread back about the supercharger upgrade, or do you guys want to **** on eachother some more.
since i asked the original question let me clarify a few things.

speedriven CAME TO THE M112K crowd and asked if we wanted the headers and needed to know if there was interest . 10 deposits later they had the interest they wanted.
the employee you speak of was in possesion of a set of vrp headers to use as a template to build a better version BEFORE he came to work for speedriven and was fabbing a set for me.
since speedriven took over the header build they have produced the flanges and end parts. from what i know they have a single set finished and either the fit and finish werent up to standards or they didnt make power. since the employee doesnt work there anymore i no longer know. hence the question .
so how about this, give the m112k crowd a estimated finish date instead of the same drivel you gave us on the other forum and on here. shoot even a pic of something other than parts on a table would be nice.

heres the original post on the other forum. dated 09/28/11

Real Crossfire Headers - These ain't no stinkin' log style manifolds!!!

We've been looking for a way to carve our niche with the Crossfire crowd and after discussing what aftermarket is available for this car and what is not, something we noticed that was missing were real headers. Not a fancy log style manifold that simply mimics the inefficiencies of the factory ones but something that would offer real performance benefits for both the N/As and SRTs alike. We are gauging interest on this and need two things to get the ball rolling. First, we need to see how many people are legitimately interested in these based off a $100 deposit group buy. Retail will be $1299 and if we collect 10 or more deposits, work will commence with a $1049 group buy sale price. If we get to 20 or more, the group buy sale price will be $999. After we determine the number of those interested, we will need a local owner with a minimally modified N/A for design, fitment and testing. Later on, we will need a minimally modified SRT6 so we can test and document it's gains as well. These will be made so they are completely compatible with both factory and aftermarket exhaust on the N/As and SRTs.

Now for what everyone wants to know; How much power will they make? We are confident we will see somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-20rwhp gains with the N/As and 20-30rwhp on the SRTs. The factory exhaust manifolds are very restrictive. It's design was dictated on keeping manufacturing costs low and production high. Log style manifolds follow in the same footsteps. Real headers allow the motor to breath much easier because instead of just cramming all the exhaust into a log and hoping for the best, it merges the slugs of exhaust one behind the next and as such, reduces back-pressure and increases power.

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since i asked the original question let me clarify a few things.

speedriven CAME TO THE M112K crowd and asked if we wanted the headers and needed to know if there was interest . 10 deposits later they had the interest they wanted.
the employee you speak of was in possesion of a set of vrp headers to use as a template to build a better version BEFORE he came to work for speedriven and was fabbing a set for me.
since speedriven took over the header build they have produced the flanges and end parts. from what i know they have a single set finished and either the fit and finish werent up to standards or they didnt make power. since the employee doesnt work there anymore i no longer know. hence the question .
so how about this, give the m112k crowd a estimated finish date instead of the same drivel you gave us on the other forum and on here. shoot even a pic of something other than parts on a table would be nice.

heres the original post on the other forum. dated 09/28/11

Real Crossfire Headers - These ain't no stinkin' log style manifolds!!!

We've been looking for a way to carve our niche with the Crossfire crowd and after discussing what aftermarket is available for this car and what is not, something we noticed that was missing were real headers. Not a fancy log style manifold that simply mimics the inefficiencies of the factory ones but something that would offer real performance benefits for both the N/As and SRTs alike. We are gauging interest on this and need two things to get the ball rolling. First, we need to see how many people are legitimately interested in these based off a $100 deposit group buy. Retail will be $1299 and if we collect 10 or more deposits, work will commence with a $1049 group buy sale price. If we get to 20 or more, the group buy sale price will be $999. After we determine the number of those interested, we will need a local owner with a minimally modified N/A for design, fitment and testing. Later on, we will need a minimally modified SRT6 so we can test and document it's gains as well. These will be made so they are completely compatible with both factory and aftermarket exhaust on the N/As and SRTs.

Now for what everyone wants to know; How much power will they make? We are confident we will see somewhere in the neighborhood of 15-20rwhp gains with the N/As and 20-30rwhp on the SRTs. The factory exhaust manifolds are very restrictive. It's design was dictated on keeping manufacturing costs low and production high. Log style manifolds follow in the same footsteps. Real headers allow the motor to breath much easier because instead of just cramming all the exhaust into a log and hoping for the best, it merges the slugs of exhaust one behind the next and as such, reduces back-pressure and increases power.
He posted it in late September? That's not exactly "nearly a year ago". That's 7 months ago, which is long as hell, but you shouldn't make it longer than it really is.

Now Speedriven should step in and better explain the situation. Perhaps they should have refunded the money they took and when they completed the project they could take the money again? I mean, the interest was there obviously. I dunno, I'll let them step in.

This is what I wanted with my original question before the leghumpers screwed it all up.
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He posted it in late September? That's not exactly "nearly a year ago". That's 7 months ago, which is long as hell, but you shouldn't make it longer than it really is.

Now Speedriven should step in and better explain the situation. Perhaps they should have refunded the money they took and when they completed the project they could take the money again? I mean, the interest was there obviously. I dunno, I'll let them step in.

This is what I wanted with my original question before the leghumpers screwed it all up.
They don't owe anyone an explanation except the customers they are working with in regards to these headers. The telephone and email are a much better way to communicate such information. If you had genuine interest in one of their products or these headers, you could have called or emailed them and got all the information you wanted. Instead you make an out of line and insulting post and continue to muck up this thread which is about another product altogether. Please call or email Speedriven with any questions or concerns. They are very friendly and will talk to anyone, even if you're not a customer. What you are doing here is wrong and uncalled for. Like I said, if you genuinely wanted to know, you would have picked up the phone, spoke with Aleks or Marcin, and got your answer.

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Well hello, lol, that got out of hand quickly

I want to be very clear with the promises and progress of the headers of the 32 and srt6 group buy. ( Which I dont even know why honestly was brought into this thread. A phone call or email, or even a reply in the appropriate section would have sufficed and I would have responded accordingly, now I probably need to create a new thread for the whipple kit.)

The headers were a project that was started by another former employee with the intention of having a well made shorty style header available for the 32 and srt6 crew. He posted to see if people were interested, and they were, so deposits were sent to reserve places. The flanges on both sides of the headers were then sent out to the CNC mill and 10 sets were made. All of the necessary piping was also purchased along with the 3-1 collectors. The cost of just the materials were significantly more than the amount of the deposits, which should show that the project is serious. A jig was built along with a set of development headers, which were supposed to be tested on two cars, both of which backed out, which leaves us without a car for fitment. The development of the headers is still underway, and now dropped on our shoulders as the employee that started them is no longer here.

Please forgive me if any details have been left out as I am simply stating what I know as I came into the shop. The project was started well before I started here and I want to assure people that I am going to handle it accordingly and have the project completed in a timely manner. If anyone has an issue I will do whatever is necessary to correct the situation, including refunding deposits, but we already have a 8 person waiting list that will fill those places.

In regards to the whipple juicy updates coming next week in a new thread

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So, technically...my car is faster than yours since I actually race it. You have NO CLUE as to how track DA and traction affected my car since you don't even race your car. Typical bench racer.

I never took you for one of those internet bench racers...damn.
Wrong again blowhard! My SL isn't my only car or only fast car ever owned. My past C6 Vette modded to hilt 3.90 gears, every bolton possible 3100 lbs 420 rwp & tq (though I'm primarily a street racer, I ran her in AZ Trapped low 120's w/miserable 60' due to runflats then switched to Cups, faired little better) point being SL hasn't seen real 1/4 but heavily st raced which I'm not proud of it's too dangerous these days. But if circumstances arise I still induldge in a short Run here n there.. Lame I know..

I've been a fan & been to many E-Coast tracks as a kid w/my grandparents (he got me into the whole scene, I've also frequented many West coast tracks as a fan, but again the closest to my home in SB is a 4+ hr 1 way deal in fair traffic so an 8hr ordeal (not my idea of fun)

I'll gladly frequent any 1/4 mi if it was closer say 2- hrs 1 way but LA raceway (only trk that was in my backyard) has been closed for yrs & was only an 1/8 th mile. Still doesn't change the fact I'm a fan thru & thru & have ran 1/4

As for your pathetic excuses for high DA & poor track prep accounting for your 119 trap speed, talk about excuses lol, if you have poor traction it actually can net a higher trap, your 55 is inordinately slow for the mods you list period..

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