After pinning, dyno tune, driving 100 miles, new look at the 195mm RTR pulley wobble
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Damn, I just read this now and thankfully read fully before I made my purchase!!!
I'd hate to think what an unbalanced pulley will do to the oil pump on a 55K engine. I know all about bad pullies....a solid crank pulley shattered the oil pump on my Celica after a few thousand miles of use.
I think I'll get back to the safer option of running nitrous...
I'd hate to think what an unbalanced pulley will do to the oil pump on a 55K engine. I know all about bad pullies....a solid crank pulley shattered the oil pump on my Celica after a few thousand miles of use.
I think I'll get back to the safer option of running nitrous...
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Damn, I just read this now and thankfully read fully before I made my purchase!!!
I'd hate to think what an unbalanced pulley will do to the oil pump on a 55K engine. I know all about bad pullies....a solid crank pulley shattered the oil pump on my Celica after a few thousand miles of use.
I think I'll get back to the safer option of running nitrous...
I'd hate to think what an unbalanced pulley will do to the oil pump on a 55K engine. I know all about bad pullies....a solid crank pulley shattered the oil pump on my Celica after a few thousand miles of use.
I think I'll get back to the safer option of running nitrous...
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A properly set up nitrous system is safer than running more boost.
I won't debate it on this thread though, for not wanting to thread hi-jack.
I won't debate it on this thread though, for not wanting to thread hi-jack.
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Has anyone asked how these "defective" pullies were installed yet? There are no indents in the RTR pulley to use a pulley holding tool, but the pulley needs to be torqued to a large amount specified (much more torque that what can be applied without holding the engine from spinning). My question is how were these engines being held in place from spinning to ensure the proper torque was applied. There are no instructions that come with the RTR pullies to address this situation (at least not in my case)
Anyway, I've been running this pulley for several thousand miles of flogging the crap out of it with zero issues. Perfectly straight.
Not trying to hate, but I can't see how a solid piece of aluminum, which is basically what the RTR pulley is, can warp itself on its own or cause a properly torqued bolt to come loose. Even when MB had the pulley recall on OEM pullies, it was just the outer ring that came off. The bolt never loosened even though there was substantial amounts of imbalance to the pullies when they were coming apart.
Anyway, I've been running this pulley for several thousand miles of flogging the crap out of it with zero issues. Perfectly straight.
Not trying to hate, but I can't see how a solid piece of aluminum, which is basically what the RTR pulley is, can warp itself on its own or cause a properly torqued bolt to come loose. Even when MB had the pulley recall on OEM pullies, it was just the outer ring that came off. The bolt never loosened even though there was substantial amounts of imbalance to the pullies when they were coming apart.
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So Far from what I have read there haven't been any defective pullies installed, just defective installs. If you install the pulley and miss the keyway and think you torqued it right it is going to come loose. But once you installed it and ran it you are damaging the pulley, the crank do to vibrations. taking the pulley back off and reinstalling what you think is correct again won't help the damage you already did to the pulley and crank. So you get on here start causing a big upstir of a bad pulley, but it all started when you paid someone to do a bad install and damage everything.
e55amgrocket is doing all he can on here to cause problems to other vendors when he is selling unautorized parts on this site and others.
e55amgrocket is doing all he can on here to cause problems to other vendors when he is selling unautorized parts on this site and others.
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Has anyone asked how these "defective" pullies were installed yet? There are no indents in the RTR pulley to use a pulley holding tool, but the pulley needs to be torqued to a large amount specified (much more torque that what can be applied without holding the engine from spinning). My question is how were these engines being held in place from spinning to ensure the proper torque was applied. There are no instructions that come with the RTR pullies to address this situation (at least not in my case)
Anyway, I've been running this pulley for several thousand miles of flogging the crap out of it with zero issues. Perfectly straight.
Not trying to hate, but I can't see how a solid piece of aluminum, which is basically what the RTR pulley is, can warp itself on its own or cause a properly torqued bolt to come loose. Even when MB had the pulley recall on OEM pullies, it was just the outer ring that came off. The bolt never loosened even though there was substantial amounts of imbalance to the pullies when they were coming apart.![nix](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif)
Anyway, I've been running this pulley for several thousand miles of flogging the crap out of it with zero issues. Perfectly straight.
Not trying to hate, but I can't see how a solid piece of aluminum, which is basically what the RTR pulley is, can warp itself on its own or cause a properly torqued bolt to come loose. Even when MB had the pulley recall on OEM pullies, it was just the outer ring that came off. The bolt never loosened even though there was substantial amounts of imbalance to the pullies when they were coming apart.
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Additionally, what you stated goes without saying, we all know that already. Also, folks here should be installing pulleys with a flywheel lock, not the ridiculous OEM wrench.
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In my case, both my crank bolts were TQ'd down to MB specs, using two different methods.
When the first pulley came off, it was TQ'd down to MB spec by locking the flywheel with a bar. On the second go around, Buckhead Imports Performance made two tools, one was to hold the crank pulley in place instead of locking the flywheel, and the second tool was to pin my crank/pulley.
Well on the second pulley, it has severely wobbled loose again. So, using two different methods arriving at the same outcome resulted in Redtooth racing Pulley failure.
My question to you is, since you have had several thousand miles of been problem free, what size is your pulley, how much did you TQ the bolt down, and what method did you use to prevent the motor from spinning?
When the first pulley came off, it was TQ'd down to MB spec by locking the flywheel with a bar. On the second go around, Buckhead Imports Performance made two tools, one was to hold the crank pulley in place instead of locking the flywheel, and the second tool was to pin my crank/pulley.
Well on the second pulley, it has severely wobbled loose again. So, using two different methods arriving at the same outcome resulted in Redtooth racing Pulley failure.
My question to you is, since you have had several thousand miles of been problem free, what size is your pulley, how much did you TQ the bolt down, and what method did you use to prevent the motor from spinning?
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So Far from what I have read there haven't been any defective pullies installed, just defective installs. If you install the pulley and miss the keyway and think you torqued it right it is going to come loose. But once you installed it and ran it you are damaging the pulley, the crank do to vibrations. taking the pulley back off and reinstalling what you think is correct again won't help the damage you already did to the pulley and crank. So you get on here start causing a big upstir of a bad pulley, but it all started when you paid someone to do a bad install and damage everything.
e55amgrocket is doing all he can on here to cause problems to other vendors when he is selling unautorized parts on this site and others.
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So Far from what I have read there haven't been any defective pullies installed, just defective installs. If you install the pulley and miss the keyway and think you torqued it right it is going to come loose. But once you installed it and ran it you are damaging the pulley, the crank do to vibrations. taking the pulley back off and reinstalling what you think is correct again won't help the damage you already did to the pulley and crank. So you get on here start causing a big upstir of a bad pulley, but it all started when you paid someone to do a bad install and damage everything.
e55amgrocket is doing all he can on here to cause problems to other vendors when he is selling unautorized parts on this site and others.
e55amgrocket is doing all he can on here to cause problems to other vendors when he is selling unautorized parts on this site and others.
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So Far from what I have read there haven't been any defective pullies installed, just defective installs. If you install the pulley and miss the keyway and think you torqued it right it is going to come loose. But once you installed it and ran it you are damaging the pulley, the crank do to vibrations. taking the pulley back off and reinstalling what you think is correct again won't help the damage you already did to the pulley and crank. So you get on here start causing a big upstir of a bad pulley, but it all started when you paid someone to do a bad install and damage everything.
e55amgrocket is doing all he can on here to cause problems to other vendors when he is selling unautorized parts on this site and others.
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Based on your comment , it would be safe to assume that you only buy AUTHORIZED parts , for your cars , which leads to the question as to what is your interest in this thread ?
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So Far from what I have read there haven't been any defective pullies installed, just defective installs. If you install the pulley and miss the keyway and think you torqued it right it is going to come loose. But once you installed it and ran it you are damaging the pulley, the crank do to vibrations. taking the pulley back off and reinstalling what you think is correct again won't help the damage you already did to the pulley and crank. So you get on here start causing a big upstir of a bad pulley, but it all started when you paid someone to do a bad install and damage everything.
e55amgrocket is doing all he can on here to cause problems to other vendors when he is selling unautorized parts on this site and others.
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He happens to be friends with Brooke and thats where Brooke does his dyno tuning. I bet he's not running a RTR pulley. Oh yea thats right he dosen't even have a mercedes to put one on. Just on here to try and get people to use his shop and take up for other peoples wrong doing.
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Jmb614-Bruce from TTM refuses to sell garbage, as a result, he does not, and will not put RTR pulleys on any of his customers cars.
ASP has a very good reputation for their welded design, and their new aluminum pressed outer rings. You cant go wrong with that selection.
Correct me if I am wrong Steve, but we both had ASP welded pulleys on our cars before we decided to go with Red Tooth Racing design. That product was been run by two well respected members on here, Shardul and Brooke, and it was led to believe they own the company from other sponsored vendors on this site. Steve and I opted to go for their 195mm as it was in stock, and coming from what we thought was a good source, who backed their products as it was on their own personal cars. I guess it should have been a sign that Brooke has gone through more motors on this site than anyone else.
That is why we went the RTR route, when ths s**t hit the fan, other horror stories also started to surface about these pullies not been able to handle the engagement of the blower, as the HB is faulty with this design. As a result, the crank bolt would back out and pullies started to come off.
With the bigger rings, it is just pronounced further, so if you have a 190, 185, 180 or smaller, it may take longer for the failure to occur. All Brooke and RTR are doing are shifting blame and calling installer error, thank the LORD that PTE came out with his NUTS and Bolts thread yesterday, as someone that actually knows what the hell he is talking about put this issue to bed. IT IS NOT INSTALLET EROOR! Off course he did not give his own personal opinion about the RTR pulley on the boards, but after talking to him a few times on the phone, it is MY ASSUMPTION, based off his knowledge, the design is flawed, and it is just a matter of time before it rears its ugly head for other owners.
ASP has a very good reputation for their welded design, and their new aluminum pressed outer rings. You cant go wrong with that selection.
Correct me if I am wrong Steve, but we both had ASP welded pulleys on our cars before we decided to go with Red Tooth Racing design. That product was been run by two well respected members on here, Shardul and Brooke, and it was led to believe they own the company from other sponsored vendors on this site. Steve and I opted to go for their 195mm as it was in stock, and coming from what we thought was a good source, who backed their products as it was on their own personal cars. I guess it should have been a sign that Brooke has gone through more motors on this site than anyone else.
That is why we went the RTR route, when ths s**t hit the fan, other horror stories also started to surface about these pullies not been able to handle the engagement of the blower, as the HB is faulty with this design. As a result, the crank bolt would back out and pullies started to come off.
With the bigger rings, it is just pronounced further, so if you have a 190, 185, 180 or smaller, it may take longer for the failure to occur. All Brooke and RTR are doing are shifting blame and calling installer error, thank the LORD that PTE came out with his NUTS and Bolts thread yesterday, as someone that actually knows what the hell he is talking about put this issue to bed. IT IS NOT INSTALLET EROOR! Off course he did not give his own personal opinion about the RTR pulley on the boards, but after talking to him a few times on the phone, it is MY ASSUMPTION, based off his knowledge, the design is flawed, and it is just a matter of time before it rears its ugly head for other owners.
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Bruce from TTM refuses to sell garbage, as a result, he does not, and will not put RTR pulleys on any of his customers cars.
ASP has a very good reputation for their welded design, and their new aluminum pressed outer rings. You cant go wrong with that selection.
Correct me if I am wrong Steve, but we both had ASP welded pulleys on our cars before we decided to go with Red Tooth Racing design. That product was been run by two well respected members on here, Shardul and Brooke, and it was led to believe they own the company. Steve and I opted to go for their 195mm as it was in stock, and coming from what we thought was a good source, who backed their products as it was on their own personal cars.
That is why we went the RTR route, when ths s**t hit the fan, other horror stories also started to surface about these pullies not been able to handle the engagement of the blower as the HB is faulty with this design. As a result, the crank bolt would back out and pullies started to come off.
With the bigger rings, it is just pronounced further, so if you have a 190, 185, 180 or smaller, it may take longer for the failure to occur.
ASP has a very good reputation for their welded design, and their new aluminum pressed outer rings. You cant go wrong with that selection.
Correct me if I am wrong Steve, but we both had ASP welded pulleys on our cars before we decided to go with Red Tooth Racing design. That product was been run by two well respected members on here, Shardul and Brooke, and it was led to believe they own the company. Steve and I opted to go for their 195mm as it was in stock, and coming from what we thought was a good source, who backed their products as it was on their own personal cars.
That is why we went the RTR route, when ths s**t hit the fan, other horror stories also started to surface about these pullies not been able to handle the engagement of the blower as the HB is faulty with this design. As a result, the crank bolt would back out and pullies started to come off.
With the bigger rings, it is just pronounced further, so if you have a 190, 185, 180 or smaller, it may take longer for the failure to occur.
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In my case, both my crank bolts were TQ'd down to MB specs, using two different methods.
When the first pulley came off, it was TQ'd down to MB spec by locking the flywheel with a bar. On the second go around, Buckhead Imports Performance made two tools, one was to hold the crank pulley in place instead of locking the flywheel, and the second tool was to pin my crank/pulley.
Well on the second pulley, it has severely wobbled loose again. So, using two different methods arriving at the same outcome resulted in Redtooth racing Pulley failure.
My question to you is, since you have had several thousand miles of been problem free, what size is your pulley, how much did you TQ the bolt down, and what method did you use to prevent the motor from spinning?
When the first pulley came off, it was TQ'd down to MB spec by locking the flywheel with a bar. On the second go around, Buckhead Imports Performance made two tools, one was to hold the crank pulley in place instead of locking the flywheel, and the second tool was to pin my crank/pulley.
Well on the second pulley, it has severely wobbled loose again. So, using two different methods arriving at the same outcome resulted in Redtooth racing Pulley failure.
My question to you is, since you have had several thousand miles of been problem free, what size is your pulley, how much did you TQ the bolt down, and what method did you use to prevent the motor from spinning?
I wasn't trying to say you didn't have it properly installed. Hope you didn't take offense. I just didn't see anywhere where it said that you did in fact torque it properly. Sounds like you went through the best available procedue to install it.
What is the latest in your case? Are they going to refund you?
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Mine is a 180, and I used the same method as you on the flexplate. I also put a drop of loctite on the threads for peace of mind.
I wasn't trying to say you didn't have it properly installed. Hope you didn't take offense. I just didn't see anywhere where it said that you did in fact torque it properly. Sounds like you went through the best available procedue to install it.
What is the latest in your case? Are they going to refund you?
I wasn't trying to say you didn't have it properly installed. Hope you didn't take offense. I just didn't see anywhere where it said that you did in fact torque it properly. Sounds like you went through the best available procedue to install it.
What is the latest in your case? Are they going to refund you?
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When you say refund, are you refering to the Red Spoof Racing pulley or the thousands of dollars of damage it caused?
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