W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 11:38 AM
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E63 vs Crotch rocket

I have never ridden a crotch rocket type bike so I have no idea how fast they accelerate at various speeds. I have always assumed they would dominate vs most street cars at all speeds.

The other day when there was little traffic a guy on a pretty good sized bike was approaching from my rear at a pretty fast rate. He goes by at what I would estimate at around 85-90 mph. For ****s and giggles I decided to see how an E would do against a bike and hit WOT. He saw me coming and I heard his bike roar and I figured he was just going to run away but no all the way to 145 I was right with him and even gaining.

Was he not trying or what?
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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 12:06 PM
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If it was a 600 it is normal to be neck and neck. Most 600's have a top speed of 260kmh (ish)..
A liter bike is another story, capable of 300kmh+
I am pretty sure a highly modded e55 will smoke a 600 on highway.
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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 12:14 PM
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Aerodynamics on a bike into the triple digits are horrible.

Even a poorly ridden 600 shouldn't have a problem with our cars. Unless you're running mid 10s, most crotch rockets will beat you unless you start racing at 110+, which is, well, never.
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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 04:54 PM
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I easily spanked a pocket rocket a few days ago on the highway .... I am guessing from a dig we'd get spanked, but once cruising at ~50mph +, I think we have the advantage...
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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 05:05 PM
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This guy did pull up next to me after we slowed down and flipped up his visor and pointed at the engine and said that ain't F'ing fair man.......
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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 05:44 PM
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If you're modded you might stand a chance against a 600, goodluck running a 750 or 1000. Newer bikes are trapping in the 140's from the factory, even new 600's can hit 125-130 stock.
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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 05:48 PM
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most stock 600cc bike can run around 10.5-10.7ish 1/4 mile times so almost all e55/e63s are gonna lose to any 600cc sportbike unless you start the race at 100mph or unless the rider has changed gearing on the bike for wheelies or something..... or if rider is just a puss and shifts way too early.... the 600cc you have to keep high up in the revs and a lot of newbies start shifting at 11k rpm which is way too early, when the bike actually starts to scream and get in its powerband (11k - 15.5K rpm)

i hear it all the time when i race a bike on the highway.... they shift way too early as if they are scared or not confident in their abilities..... and for a beginner it is scary the first couple 120mph+ runs on a bike...

i know my e55 (180mm pulley/ long tube headers) cant come close to beating my zx 600 or 750 gsxr

1000cc wouldnt even be close

hayabusa or zx1400 even less close
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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by gaspam
most stock 600cc bike can run around 10.5-10.7ish 1/4 mile times so almost all e55/e63s are gonna lose to any 600cc sportbike unless you start the race at 100mph or unless the rider has changed gearing on the bike for wheelies or something..... or if rider is just a puss and shifts way too early.... the 600cc you have to keep high up in the revs and a lot of newbies start shifting at 11k rpm which is way too early, when the bike actually starts to scream and get in its powerband (11k - 15.5K rpm)

i hear it all the time when i race a bike on the highway.... they shift way too early as if they are scared or not confident in their abilities..... and for a beginner it is scary the first couple 120mph+ runs on a bike...

i know my e55 (180mm pulley/ long tube headers) cant come close to beating my zx 600 or 750 gsxr

1000cc wouldnt even be close

hayabusa or zx1400 even less close
All true, but many can't drive worth you know what....And the ones that can won't even bother (it is a waste of their time)....
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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gaspam
most stock 600cc bike can run around 10.5-10.7ish 1/4 mile times so almost all e55/e63s are gonna lose to any 600cc sportbike unless you start the race at 100mph or unless the rider has changed gearing on the bike for wheelies or something..... or if rider is just a puss and shifts way too early.... the 600cc you have to keep high up in the revs and a lot of newbies start shifting at 11k rpm which is way too early, when the bike actually starts to scream and get in its powerband (11k - 15.5K rpm)

i hear it all the time when i race a bike on the highway.... they shift way too early as if they are scared or not confident in their abilities..... and for a beginner it is scary the first couple 120mph+ runs on a bike...

i know my e55 (180mm pulley/ long tube headers) cant come close to beating my zx 600 or 750 gsxr

1000cc wouldnt even be close

hayabusa or zx1400 even less close
No doubt, racing from a dead stop almost any car would get destroyed. Racing from a roll where bikes don't have as big of a advantage 600's can be beat(by highly modded cars).
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Old Jun 6, 2013 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by cij911
All true, but many can't drive worth you know what....And the ones that can won't even bother (it is a waste of their time)....
exactly... that's what i was getting at.... on bikes, the "driver mod" is a HUGE determining factor

one of my buddies has the same bike as me gsxr 750 and whenever we go on rides it never fails, as soon as a big set of turns comes i see him dropping back and all of the sudden he is a 1/4 mile behind .... he only got a bike 1 yr ago
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Old Jun 7, 2013 | 01:35 PM
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hp to weight ratio bikes got it! if they know how ride and have a half a *******!
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Old Jun 7, 2013 | 01:54 PM
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I raced a few bikes with my E55, I was able to beat a GSX-R 750 from a 40mph roll all the way to 130 after 100 most bikes will start to pull on you because of Aerodynamics and or because your nuclear reactor gets really hot LOL. Liter bikes are a whole different ball game I raced an R1 from a dig and it really wasnt fair he walked me after 80 and just kept going.
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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnyblaze
after 100 most bikes will start to pull on you because of Aerodynamics .
you have that backwards. If anything, the E55 will have a better chance as the speeds increase. Bikes have horrible aero into the triple digits. Hence racing from a highway speed roll is better for the car.

From a dig or slow roll, a bike's acceleration is a different world.
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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 11:01 AM
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I have beaten many bikes (even large ones) in various cars. One time I had one tucked-in behind me trying to ride in my draft. At about 125 I suddenly changed lanes, changing the aerodynamics and it was like someone pulled a chute behind him.

(I did feel a little bad as he got caught up some turbulence resulting in front end shimmy which could've ended in catastrophe--A man's gotta know his limitations.).
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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Baronet1
Aerodynamics on a bike into the triple digits are horrible.

Even a poorly ridden 600 shouldn't have a problem with our cars. Unless you're running mid 10s, most crotch rockets will beat you unless you start racing at 110+, which is, well, never.
I've danced with these super bikes a few time on the Autobahns, but never picked a fight at less than 100 mph (Old farts with knowledge, patients and cunning beat youth and bravery every time). Always pulled away and by 150 mph it's a runaway. Not to say there aren't some super, super bikes out there, I just have not come across one yet.
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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 12:35 PM
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As some others have said, a 600cc with an inexperienced rider will lose most if not every time, the power really is from 11.5-16 and when it's revving that high it's a bit frightening for the novice rider lol. A 750 would be bit more of a challenge regardless of the rider and you'd better be pushing more than stock hp #'s to compete with a 1000, the busa etc only in your dreams lol.
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Old Jun 11, 2013 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gaspam
most stock 600cc bike can run around 10.5-10.7ish 1/4 mile times so almost all e55/e63s are gonna lose to any 600cc sportbike unless you start the race at 100mph or unless the rider has changed gearing on the bike for wheelies or something..... or if rider is just a puss and shifts way too early.... the 600cc you have to keep high up in the revs and a lot of newbies start shifting at 11k rpm which is way too early, when the bike actually starts to scream and get in its powerband (11k - 15.5K rpm)

i hear it all the time when i race a bike on the highway.... they shift way too early as if they are scared or not confident in their abilities..... and for a beginner it is scary the first couple 120mph+ runs on a bike...

i know my e55 (180mm pulley/ long tube headers) cant come close to beating my zx 600 or 750 gsxr

1000cc wouldnt even be close

hayabusa or zx1400 even less close
gaspam said almost exactly what I was going to say. When racing a bike who wins is much more up to the rider's ability than anything else. AMG's are automatics so on the highway you pretty much just mash the gas pedal and keep the car straight. For a bike it's much harder to time your shifts and race at that speed all while having to watch very closely for pot holes or anything else that will kill you instantly at those speeds.
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Old Jun 11, 2013 | 01:06 PM
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The bike was probably not trying to be a dbag and race on public roads. You would have no chance in a fair race with an experienced rider.
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