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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 10:27 AM
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I'm not for or against anyone in here.

But a word of advice, if you plan to go against a vendor sponsored by MBW or not. All the info you have posted is now public knowledge and can be used by either side in a legal battle. Except now you are entering defamation of character and slander.

Keep your dirty laundry to yourself and act like a big boy and deal with it. Power of the angry mob won't help your case.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 10:47 AM
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Except now you are entering defamation of character and slander.
Well it is not slander or defamation if what one says is true....But I agree it is best to be professional.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by amg guy
I'm not for or against anyone in here.

But a word of advice, if you plan to go against a vendor sponsored by MBW or not. All the info you have posted is now public knowledge and can be used by either side in a legal battle. Except now you are entering defamation of character and slander.

Keep your dirty laundry to yourself and act like a big boy and deal with it. Power of the angry mob won't help your case.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 11:12 AM
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This sounds more like MHP crap to me...threaten the customer to shut up approach...which is utter bull**** and lies
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by amg guy
I'm not for or against anyone in here.

But a word of advice, if you plan to go against a vendor sponsored by MBW or not. All the info you have posted is now public knowledge and can be used by either side in a legal battle. Except now you are entering defamation of character and slander.

Keep your dirty laundry to yourself and act like a big boy and deal with it. Power of the angry mob won't help your case.
"slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed."

Forum users with an attitude like you are exactly how other people get scammed.
Public knowledge of the REAL business practices of vendors are critical for new customers in deciding who to do business with.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 11:24 AM
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 11:31 AM
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Had Kelvin not aired his "dirty laundry," then many people would still think Bruce was this amazing guy. Kelvin cleared out the smoke and removed the mirrors.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 11:49 AM
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This might be the most useless thread and comment that I have ever seen! WHAT IS YOUR POINT??????????
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Had Kelvin not aired his "dirty laundry," then many people would still think Bruce was this amazing guy. Kelvin cleared out the smoke and removed the mirrors.
Exactly...

Without that thread we would still have to be listening to people like Hulk praise Bruce, when in fact he is a con artist.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 12:04 PM
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AK shut up! He's been nothing but good to me and many many others, I feel bad for kelvin and hopefully he will talk it through with HIM
Don't ruin yet again someone else's thread

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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by amg guy
I'm not for or against anyone in here.

But a word of advice, if you plan to go against a vendor sponsored by MBW or not. All the info you have posted is now public knowledge and can be used by either side in a legal battle. Except now you are entering defamation of character and slander.

Keep your dirty laundry to yourself and act like a big boy and deal with it. Power of the angry mob won't help your case.
Are you a licensed attorney providing legal advice or just your personal opinion?

I ask because you do realize that people are allowed to give their personal opinions and voice their support or non-support. For example, if my opinion is that person A is an a$$hole, does that mean I have slandered person A? No. If I support someone that was defrauded by Person A, does that mean I have slandered or libeled person A? No.

One of the great rights of this/my country, the United States of America, is the freedom of speech. What I do not like is when people try to scare me into not voicing my opinion, support or personal experiences.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 12:23 PM
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Just my 2 cents: Every Ponzi scheme starts out great and people (customers) make money, how on earth do you think the scammers get highly recommended and get customers? It all starts with a guy that people like so 'the guy' needs to be a great actor which in turn makes him a great con man. So, are there people that will say he is great? Of course there is or all these other people who got screwed would never be in this situation with him!

...and it is not only Kelvin! There are at least 2 more verified and there will be many more...I guarantee it! Then there are the guys who just had lousy work done by this mole and again...I am sure there are more.

His facebook page is deleted, he never came on here in his own defense, he never answers his phone anyway and I am sure that will be shut off soon. There is nothing to defend for him!

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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 12:26 PM
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Are you a licensed attorney providing legal advice or just your personal opinion?

I ask because you do realize that people are allowed to give their personal opinions and voice their support or non-support. For example, if my opinion is that person A is an a$$hole, does that mean I have slandered person A? No. If I support someone that was defrauded by Person A, does that mean I have slandered or libeled person A? No.

One of the great rights of this/my country, the United States of America, is the freedom of speech. What I do not like is when people try to scare me into not voicing my opinion, support or personal experiences.
Just ignore it buddy, don't get worked up over the silliest thread ever!
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Good post Nomad. His FB page still works for me
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 12:35 PM
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Good post Nomad. His FB page still works for me
Someone posted somewhere on here that it was off so I just went with it!
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 01:36 PM
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Hate to say it but the $$$ is long gone spent. I wouldnt be surprised if this happened to other car enthusiasts who are outside of the USA that this happens to by other vendors. Send me $$ and good luck trying to collect? Esp when you are thousands of miles away. Happened to me but was for $400 a few years ago.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 01:38 PM
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From a newb's perspective this info is invaluable. In most cases I need to use advice from this type of forum to make well informed decisions.

Without information like this I would most likely get ripped off. Before this thread surfaced I most likely would have purchased products and or services off of Bruce without knowing that I'd be at risk.

Keep it coming, we are here to help each other out! From a vendor's perspective it's survival of the fittest. I've had a business related to the online car industry before and your reputation is everything. Step up to the plate or step aside and someone will backfill and make your customers happy.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 03:52 PM
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I didn't notice any defamation. Unless someone was lying about their story but I don't believe anyone was. Seems no one wanted to rock the "This is THE guy to go to." Boat with a story that may have been brushed aside at the time.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by amg guy
I'm not for or against anyone in here.

But a word of advice, if you plan to go against a vendor sponsored by MBW or not. All the info you have posted is now public knowledge and can be used by either side in a legal battle. Except now you are entering defamation of character and slander.

Keep your dirty laundry to yourself and act like a big boy and deal with it. Power of the angry mob won't help your case.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 05:17 PM
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I didn't notice any defamation. Unless someone was lying about their story but I don't believe anyone was. Seems no one wanted to rock the "This is THE guy to go to." Boat with a story that may have been brushed aside at the time.

EXACTLY...

When I ordered my expensive parts from TTM, I went with him because I thought at the time I was getting the best product in the market.. When they arrived the TB was WAY off and had to be completly re-worked by my shop to make it fit.. I now find out that he sent me a cheap rail that leaks because it's no teflon coated.. Keep in mind these were expensive parts from him.. Is this Slander, NO, IT'S THE TRUTH..
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I've been surfing this room on and off since these 211 AMGs came out; long before IB took over. I rarely post. This is not so diff from the way vrus flamed out.

Seems to start out with good intentions but poor money management and bad business practices seem to ruin them.

I will hopefully be joining the E55 ranks next week and knowing the info that Kevin put out is invaluable.

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wow!! what a BS topic AMG GUY!!!!

power to the people
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Old Jun 26, 2013 | 07:44 AM
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You should probably familiarize yourself with basic law jargon such as slander and libel before soap boxing legal advice. No offense intended, I know you meant well.

Originally Posted by amg guy
I'm not for or against anyone in here.

But a word of advice, if you plan to go against a vendor sponsored by MBW or not. All the info you have posted is now public knowledge and can be used by either side in a legal battle. Except now you are entering defamation of character and slander.

Keep your dirty laundry to yourself and act like a big boy and deal with it. Power of the angry mob won't help your case.
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Old Jun 26, 2013 | 10:02 PM
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AK shut up! He's been nothing but good to me and many many others, I feel bad for kelvin and hopefully he will talk it through with HIM
Don't ruin yet again someone else's thread

you are just a s*it stirrer
im with you Hulk, there's a bunch of people on here stirring the pot. I've known bruce for years and I've never had an issue with the way he conducts business. I've met a lot of his customers too, some of them are forum guys, never have i heard an ill word about him before this.
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