W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

E55 v.s Supercharged E39 M5

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old Apr 27, 2015 | 05:36 PM
  #1  
b0kix's Avatar
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 153
Likes: 13
E55 v.s Supercharged E39 M5

Here is a small video E55 v.s E39 M5 S/C Burnout

Reply
Old Apr 27, 2015 | 05:43 PM
  #2  
RedBullJnky's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 4,921
Likes: 9
From: Streets of SoFlo
you to Hate
The E55 will always win a burnout contest.
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2015 | 07:16 PM
  #3  
MTV10's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,060
Likes: 98
From: Montreal, QC
E55 AMG & C63 AMG
Quick question...

With simply ESP OFF.. are you able to do a standing burnout? Or will traction control kick in?
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2015 | 10:12 PM
  #4  
Max.H's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 3,681
Likes: 39
From: San Diego
E55
Originally Posted by RedBullJnky
The E55 will always win a burnout contest.
Yes indeed.
Reply
Old Apr 27, 2015 | 11:16 PM
  #5  
AMG__POWER's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
 
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 1,421
Likes: 160
From: SoCal
2024 c300 , 2006 E55, 2005 e320, 2007 gl450, 2025 glc300, 2025 e450
W211 e55 for life
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2015 | 02:31 AM
  #6  
JoeNobody's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,226
Likes: 24
Mercedes
Originally Posted by MTV10
Quick question...

With simply ESP OFF.. are you able to do a standing burnout? Or will traction control kick in?
Some of the TCU's in later E55's (05-06) will prevent standing burnouts. Can get around that by installing a TCU from an earlier year
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2015 | 10:02 AM
  #7  
b0kix's Avatar
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 153
Likes: 13
U just put it in Dyno Mode and hold the brake
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2015 | 11:20 AM
  #8  
Worth the wait's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,916
Likes: 39
From: Northern VA
2006 E55
I have an 06 and just by switching esp off my car turns into a smoke machine..lol.
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2015 | 02:00 PM
  #9  
Denroll's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,279
Likes: 27
From: A to the Z (the state)
'06 E55
We are still unsure why some TCUs will allow a massive burnout while others won't. Some later model cars will smoke them like crazy. Here's my '06 going through two gears, no brakes. I was in "M" mode and forgot to shift, which explains the rev limiter bounce:

Reply
Old Apr 28, 2015 | 08:26 PM
  #10  
e500slr's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
10 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,214
Likes: 29
2011 E63, 2013 CLS63
Burnout, straight line acceleration, top speed....the E55 would rape an SC'd E39 M5 all day everyday. The E39 M5s with supercharger struggle to beat the E55s stock quarter mile record. That's so sad.
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2015 | 09:33 PM
  #11  
MTV10's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,060
Likes: 98
From: Montreal, QC
E55 AMG & C63 AMG
Originally Posted by Denroll
We are still unsure why some TCUs will allow a massive burnout while others won't. Some later model cars will smoke them like crazy. Here's my '06 going through two gears, no brakes. I was in "M" mode and forgot to shift, which explains the rev limiter bounce:

Mercedes E55 AMG huge burnout - YouTube
Rev Limiter huh?
My car will just shift at redline... whether in M-mode or S.

Is this because mine's an 04 and the TCU's are different?


Originally Posted by e500slr
Burnout, straight line acceleration, top speed....the E55 would rape an SC'd E39 M5 all day everyday. The E39 M5s with supercharger struggle to beat the E55s stock quarter mile record. That's so sad.
1/4 the E55 is king, you are right.

But the E would not rape a Supercharged E39 in straight line or top speed...
Reply
Old Apr 29, 2015 | 12:08 AM
  #12  
b0ki's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 15
Likes: 4
2001 S4
Originally Posted by MTV10
Rev Limiter huh?
My car will just shift at redline... whether in M-mode or S.

Is this because mine's an 04 and the TCU's are different?




1/4 the E55 is king, you are right.

But the E would not rape a Supercharged E39 in straight line or top speed...
This supercharged m5 makes only 365 whp on mustang dyno my E makes 505 whp it would rape it in straight line.... let's not talk about TQ
Reply
Old Apr 29, 2015 | 12:13 AM
  #13  
e500slr's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
10 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,214
Likes: 29
2011 E63, 2013 CLS63
I actually just watched the video now Jesus Christ, that E55 looks facking TOUGH!!! It made the E39 M5 look like a coward *****. That E55 looks so facking sexy No contest regarding the burnout either, I think the E55 shifted into 3rd during the burnout. TORQUE!!!

Originally Posted by MTV10
Rev Limiter huh?
My car will just shift at redline... whether in M-mode or S.

Is this because mine's an 04 and the TCU's are different?




1/4 the E55 is king, you are right.

But the E would not rape a Supercharged E39 in straight line or top speed...
You're right, it wouldn't just be rape, it would be murder....hell it would be GENOCIDE. The E55 has better aero and alot more power potential. The E55 hits over 200mph stock and modified it has hit 219 mph. There was a thread here a while back and a guy from Abu Dhabi posted a video doing 342 km/h which is 212 mph. The E55 is a top speed monster because 5th is geared tall and the car is extremely aerodynamic and has insane power and torque. It would annihilate a supercharged E39 M5. It's not even close. You would need a supercharged E60 M5 to beat it in terms of top speed and that would only be because the 7 spd V10 M5 is geared for alot of top speed. An E55 with a motor like the one Ahmad has in his car or the one RedBullJnky has or the one e55amgrocket has would get to 230-235 mph with the right gearing, say if it had a 7 spd gearbox with a tall highest gear.

Last edited by e500slr; Apr 29, 2015 at 12:21 AM.
Reply
Old Apr 29, 2015 | 11:50 PM
  #14  
HeissRod's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,429
Likes: 61
From: Cypress, TX
'06 E55, '15 Jeep SRT8, '94 Mustang GT
Originally Posted by b0ki
This supercharged m5 makes only 365 whp on mustang dyno my E makes 505 whp it would rape it in straight line.... let's not talk about TQ
"Your E55" being the operative phrase. Stock E55s do not make 505 rwhp.

Originally Posted by e500slr
You're right, it wouldn't just be rape, it would be murder....hell it would be GENOCIDE. The E55 has better aero and alot more power potential. The E55 hits over 200mph stock and modified it has hit 219 mph. There was a thread here a while back and a guy from Abu Dhabi posted a video doing 342 km/h which is 212 mph. The E55 is a top speed monster because 5th is geared tall and the car is extremely aerodynamic and has insane power and torque. It would annihilate a supercharged E39 M5. It's not even close. You would need a supercharged E60 M5 to beat it in terms of top speed and that would only be because the 7 spd V10 M5 is geared for alot of top speed. An E55 with a motor like the one Ahmad has in his car or the one RedBullJnky has or the one e55amgrocket has would get to 230-235 mph with the right gearing, say if it had a 7 spd gearbox with a tall highest gear.
Do you have a doctorate in bench racing?
Reply
Old Apr 30, 2015 | 04:58 AM
  #15  
e500slr's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
10 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,214
Likes: 29
2011 E63, 2013 CLS63
Originally Posted by HeissRod
"Your E55" being the operative phrase. Stock E55s do not make 505 rwhp.



Do you have a doctorate in bench racing?
So statistics are bullsh*t to you? Statistics run the world, in everything from economics to science. The E39 M5 has no chance, this is a fact. Not my opinion. I had an E39 M5, I love the car, I love the engine and the the looks and the inside and the feel. The car is slow, NA or supercharged. The E55 is a monster, there just isn't a comparison between the 2 The E55 is not a perfect car, there is ALOT I hate about it and would change. It's a fact though that the E55 is an insanely fast car with alot of potential. Show me an E39 M5 in the 10s... If that's bench racing then I guess I'm on the podium.

Last edited by e500slr; Apr 30, 2015 at 05:00 AM.
Reply
Old Apr 30, 2015 | 10:06 AM
  #16  
b0kix's Avatar
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 153
Likes: 13
Originally Posted by HeissRod
"Your E55" being the operative phrase. Stock E55s do not make 505 rwhp.



Do you have a doctorate in bench racing?
Like i said yes my E55 makes 500+ rwhp not a stock one. Stock will make arund 390 on mustang dyno but a stock m5 makes around 280 on mustang dyno.

Stock or not stock E39 can't keep up, even this supercharged E39 would have problems with a stock E55 on straight or 1/4 mile
Reply
Old Apr 30, 2015 | 10:59 AM
  #17  
HeissRod's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,429
Likes: 61
From: Cypress, TX
'06 E55, '15 Jeep SRT8, '94 Mustang GT
Originally Posted by e500slr
So statistics are bullsh*t to you? Statistics run the world, in everything from economics to science. The E39 M5 has no chance, this is a fact. Not my opinion. I had an E39 M5, I love the car, I love the engine and the the looks and the inside and the feel. The car is slow, NA or supercharged. The E55 is a monster, there just isn't a comparison between the 2 The E55 is not a perfect car, there is ALOT I hate about it and would change. It's a fact though that the E55 is an insanely fast car with alot of potential. Show me an E39 M5 in the 10s... If that's bench racing then I guess I'm on the podium.
I was referring to all of your top speed number claims. Besides the one video you mentioned, of which we have no idea how accurate his speedo was, do you have any proof to back up your estimations? By your numbers, a modded E55 is getting close to running with a Veyron.

Originally Posted by b0kix
Like i said yes my E55 makes 500+ rwhp not a stock one. Stock will make arund 390 on mustang dyno but a stock m5 makes around 280 on mustang dyno.

Stock or not stock E39 can't keep up, even this supercharged E39 would have problems with a stock E55 on straight or 1/4 mile
You replied to MTV10 with dyno numbers when he mentioned an E would not "rape" a S/C E39. As I have no experience with the M5, I'll take your word that the E will still win, but it will not be a rape.
Reply
Old Apr 30, 2015 | 02:12 PM
  #18  
hayseed's Avatar
Super Member
15 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 578
Likes: 34
From: Plano Tx
04 e55
I wonder if the customer knew what the shop did to their cars
Reply
Old Apr 30, 2015 | 02:44 PM
  #19  
b0kix's Avatar
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 153
Likes: 13
Originally Posted by hayseed
I wonder if the customer knew what the shop did to their cars
The black E55 is mine, I work at Solo Motorsports and the E39 M3 belongs to other employ of Solo Motorsports this was done for production Video. We would never do this to our customer cars.
Reply
Old Apr 30, 2015 | 03:30 PM
  #20  
hayseed's Avatar
Super Member
15 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 578
Likes: 34
From: Plano Tx
04 e55
just kidding around but I am sure it happens at some shops
Reply
Old Apr 30, 2015 | 08:27 PM
  #21  
e500slr's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
10 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,214
Likes: 29
2011 E63, 2013 CLS63
Originally Posted by HeissRod
I was referring to all of your top speed number claims. Besides the one video you mentioned, of which we have no idea how accurate his speedo was, do you have any proof to back up your estimations? By your numbers, a modded E55 is getting close to running with a Veyron.



You replied to MTV10 with dyno numbers when he mentioned an E would not "rape" a S/C E39. As I have no experience with the M5, I'll take your word that the E will still win, but it will not be a rape.

That 230 mph claim was if the E55 had the right gear ratios and a 7 spd gearbox. I never said an E55 can do it with it's 5 speed and stock gear ratios and diff ratio. I said the power and torque are there and so is the aero. I made the claim because the G Power BMWs have done that and they have similar power figures, therefore it's logical to say that IF IT HAD THE RIGHT GEAR RATIOS it could match their speed.

I remember at the time that guy sent me another video where they had a vbox and they were doing a speed run. It's on my old computer I'll try to find it and post it on YouTube. The speedos are pretty accurate too. They match GPS pretty much perfect. I did 176 mph once and my standalone GPS unit was the exact same speed. I don't know where this idea that all speedos are inaccurate and read 15% higher comes from.
Reply
Old Apr 30, 2015 | 10:34 PM
  #22  
HeissRod's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,429
Likes: 61
From: Cypress, TX
'06 E55, '15 Jeep SRT8, '94 Mustang GT
Originally Posted by e500slr
I don't know where this idea that all speedos are inaccurate and read 15% higher comes from.
not sure where this came from?
Reply
Old May 1, 2015 | 06:52 PM
  #23  
e500slr's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
10 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 2,214
Likes: 29
2011 E63, 2013 CLS63
Originally Posted by HeissRod
not sure where this came from?
There's a general belief on the internet and in the real world that car speedometers are inaccurate. People always dismiss top speed runs where the car's speedo was used to back up the claim as inaccurate and overrated. If an E55 says it's doing 342km/h it might be doing 339 or 345 but the margin of error isn't going to be more than that. Why should the margin of error increase as speed increases?

So my point is, that video of the E55 doing 342 is probably quite accurate. The E39 M5 just doesn't have the aero and the power that is required to do what the E55 can even if it's supercharged. Nothing wrong with that, the E39 M5 is a very fun car and while not frighteningly fast it's not exactly camry slow. My point is the E55 is in a different league. They're just not comparable.
Reply
Old May 2, 2015 | 12:47 AM
  #24  
HeissRod's Avatar
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,429
Likes: 61
From: Cypress, TX
'06 E55, '15 Jeep SRT8, '94 Mustang GT
Originally Posted by e500slr
Why should the margin of error increase as speed increases?
Because speedometer errors are not linear. When a speedometer is inaccurate, it is off by a certain percentage. The higher the speed, the higher the differential.

Lets take a tire size that is not stock, for an example. Listing the 265/35-18 as the baseline, a 265/40-18 would be off by roughly 4.1%.
When running the new tire size and your speedometer says you are traveling 50mph, you would actually be traveling 52.06mph. When the speedometer says 100mph, you would actually be traveling 104.12mph. At 150mph, you would actually be traveling 156.18mph.
If the error were linear, the speedometer would be off by the same amount, no matter the speed.
Reply
Old May 2, 2015 | 05:54 PM
  #25  
03svtkiller's Avatar
Super Member
 
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 735
Likes: 5
2011 Cadillac CTS-V
Originally Posted by Denroll
We are still unsure why some TCUs will allow a massive burnout while others won't. Some later model cars will smoke them like crazy. Here's my '06 going through two gears, no brakes. I was in "M" mode and forgot to shift, which explains the rev limiter bounce:

Mercedes E55 AMG huge burnout - YouTube
Weird mine doesn't have that problem, it will shift on it's own in M mode. Maybe diff years?
Reply


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:39 AM.