W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

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Old Jul 28, 2015 | 03:04 PM
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Just did some more testing and these are my numbers at 6000rpm. Timing is at 15*, IAT is at 105* and boost is at 13.0psi. My timing I thought was higher but now that I have taken screen shots under power I see that it is not now. Can these engines handle more timing at full boost and what do you guys run? Seems a little low to me.
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Old Jul 28, 2015 | 03:14 PM
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How are you logging?
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Old Jul 28, 2015 | 08:51 PM
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Right now just a simple obd connection to an I-pad. I do have a fuel pressure and AFR that logs but thats it. AFR is also at 10.8 at 6,500rpm. Bidding on a dashdaq right now so hopefully will have that soon.
Hulk those numbers I sent you in the pm where off on the timing by 8-10 degrees.
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Old Jul 28, 2015 | 08:54 PM
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Ya, the obd is only good for 2 parameters max, it's slow refresh rate. Get the dashdaq with the zt2 with the boost sensor and have the best thing to log.

Only 2 parameters from obd with dashdaq

Iats
Timing

Rest goes through the zt2
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Old Jul 28, 2015 | 09:28 PM
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So what is a good timing number to see on 12- 13 lbs boost and 93 octane fuel that is safe with these engines?
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Old Jul 28, 2015 | 09:40 PM
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It depends
You have to see of there's any retard, with your logging you can't see that at this time.
If the tune is calling for 18* but you see 14 or 15 doesn't mean it didn't hit 18* at one point that's where the logging will show you if there's dips in timing and you know if there's knock
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Old Jul 29, 2015 | 08:01 AM
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He mentioned his IATs were at 105°. At that temperature, your computer is pulling 3.5° of timing due to heat so you're probably fine at 15. Stock cars hit 20-21 raw, before any timing retard

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Old Jul 29, 2015 | 08:10 AM
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Not nesseceraily , if the car has a tune, tuners usually bump that timing iat alittle bit. Ask your tuner what timing he's demanding
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Not nesseceraily , if the car has a tune, tuners usually bump that timing iat alittle bit. Ask your tuner what timing he's demanding
Correct, I have observed this personally with regards to IAT/timing relation and the variable being altered by a tuner.

Now whether or not the tuner will tell you what timing they are commanding....

I've had a hard enough time prying commanded AFR out of a certain someone let alone timing...if only we could tune these cars ourselves.
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