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Old 09-14-2015, 09:05 PM
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Do you have access to a dyno locally to you as we could always setup a remote tuning session.
Not really. So far, the only dynos I'd potentially have access to are no less than two hours away. I have no problem trailering my car out to Atlanta again for another tuning session as I did when you were with BIP if it's possible.
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Well, Not so much on the customer service end with your alleged partner or whatever Chawkins. The guy decided to ignore my message. Ok, well, no biggie. Against several recommendations from friends here to go to Eurocharged. I was interested in a tune from you but, not anymore. Will be taking my business to Eurocharged.. They have answered my questions respectfully and will be setting up remote dyno tune. GL to you with your business Anthony. Thank You.

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I would assume Tony and Craig are trying to get things in order and set up. Probably on the fly doing their best. Their tunes are no doubt the best, alittle more than I like, but I understand the difference between a dyno tune and box tune. .in the end Eurocharged can't be beat on their prices product and staffing/customer service but unless our on a dyno with hands on help your leaving hp ( 10-20) on the table.
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Interesting stuff. I was wondering why bip's site wasn't there anymore. Sub'd for updates
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Originally Posted by Max.H
Well, Not so much on the customer service end with your alleged partner or whatever Chawkins. The guy decided to ignore my message. Ok, well, no biggie. Against several recommendations from friends here to go to Eurocharged. I was interested in a tune from you but, not anymore. Will be taking my business to Eurocharged.. They have answered my questions respectfully and will be setting up remote dyno tune. GL to you with your business Anthony. Thank You.
Don't get me wrong. I totally understand our frustration.
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Hey man I am sorry to hear this, very disappointing to hear, I wish you would have contacted me before contacting another business. Again I do apologies for this issue and it will be handled.

Originally Posted by Max.H
Well, Not so much on the customer service end with your alleged partner or whatever Chawkins. The guy decided to ignore my message. Ok, well, no biggie. Against several recommendations from friends here to go to Eurocharged. I was interested in a tune from you but, not anymore. Will be taking my business to Eurocharged.. They have answered my questions respectfully and will be setting up remote dyno tune. GL to you with your business Anthony. Thank You.
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Originally Posted by Ls1toAMG
Their tunes are no doubt the best, alittle more than I like, but I understand the difference between a dyno tune and box tune.
Any canned tune is going to leave power on the table, it doesn't matter who makes the tune. What proof do you have that can qualify your statements regarding who is the best? That's a pretty bold statement.

Jerry has a proven track record over the years of making some of the fastest E55 tunes on the planet. I'm not here to knock Tony whatsoever, but Jerry can most certainly dyno tune, road tune and track tune any E55 as well as a host of other makes/models.
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Any canned tune is going to leave power on the table, it doesn't matter who makes the tune. What proof do you have that can qualify your statements regarding who is the best? That's a pretty bold statement.d

Jerry has a proven track record over the years of making some of the fastest E55 tunes on the planet. I'm not here to knock Tony whatsoever, but Jerry can most certainly dyno tune, road tune and track tune any E55 as well as a host of other makes/models.
I didn't say Jerry couldn't. I just feel BIP was on the cutting edge every time problems came up. They had the best tune for the FIxed pulley and spent a ton of time on it. Who knows maybe too much. I think Jerry and Tony are at the top on this platform. For me I feel Tony's tunes that I have seen from members were a touch better. Then again dynos are never equal. My car will have one of their tunes. My statement was how I feel about Tony's tunes.

You have every right to feel jerry are better.
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Originally Posted by Ls1toAMG
I didn't say Jerry couldn't. I just feel BIP was on the cutting edge every time problems came up. They had the best tune for the FIxed pulley and spent a ton of time on it. Who knows maybe too much. I think Jerry and Tony are at the top on this platform. For me I feel Tony's tunes that I have seen from members were a touch better. Then again dynos are never equal. My car will have one of their tunes. My statement was how I feel about Tony's tunes.

You have every right to feel jerry are better.
I'm with you. I had a EC tune and it was rough compared to Tony's tune. This statement is of course my opinion and I can say it with proof cause I ran with both tunes. Not he said bull****.....
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What types of gains are expected on a 2012 CLS550? I am in Houston, so could be interested in making the road trip
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Can you tell me if the o2 target for closed loop fuel control is steady at 1.00 lambda? If not, can it be changed?
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Originally Posted by f150ecobst
What types of gains are expected on a 2012 CLS550? I am in Houston, so could be interested in making the road trip
Gains are 100+ hp how and 150+ tq at the wheels. Let me know when you're ready to make that trip.
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Originally Posted by Mitch Detailed
Can you tell me if the o2 target for closed loop fuel control is steady at 1.00 lambda? If not, can it be changed?
In some parts of the target air fuel map yes, and yes it can be changed.
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Originally Posted by Anthony Lawshee
M156 $750-25HP/25TQ on a stock setup
Can you please post a dyno chart of a W211 E63 before and after tuning?
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Originally Posted by Anthony Lawshee
In some parts of the target air fuel map yes, and yes it can be changed.
Is there any other feedback loops that you can think of that makes a difference for oem control? Downstream wbo2 threshold? (currently throwing a code)

I really don't (need) a full scale adjustment of maps and tables. I will be running a haltech elite 2500 on the car for that. I just gotta prevent the oe ecu from going into limp mode, etc. That's where my interests are. If you can help me eliminate the electronic threshold limits the car has, i can work with the rest.
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The only thing you need to worry about are the codes for missing sensors in the system sense the halter will be controlling the engine. I've done this on a turbo 911, installed stand alone and left the stock ecu in place to keep everything else happy in the car but it's a bit of work to get it there.

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Is there any other feedback loops that you can think of that makes a difference for oem control? Downstream wbo2 threshold? (currently throwing a code)

I really don't (need) a full scale adjustment of maps and tables. I will be running a haltech elite 2500 on the car for that. I just gotta prevent the oe ecu from going into limp mode, etc. That's where my interests are. If you can help me eliminate the electronic threshold limits the car has, i can work with the rest.
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There you go.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmy5eedf1c...44607.jpg?dl=0

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Can you please post a dyno chart of a W211 E63 before and after tuning?
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Originally Posted by Anthony Lawshee
Thanks for the chart, but it was my understanding that the C63's gain more from tuning than the E63's. Is this not the case?

Here is a W211 E63 chart showing the gains between a stock tune and a Eurocharged tune:



Does your tune make a similar amount of power?
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You can set up a Dyno Dynamics to put down whatever numbers you want using the correction factor. A tune only C63 would not make 430 to the wheels with out using a temperature correction. Most people with Dyno Dynamics use a correction to bring them closer to Dyno Jet numbers that everyone is used to seeing.
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Originally Posted by layzie12g
You can set up a Dyno Dynamics to put down whatever numbers you want using the correction factor. A tune only C63 would not make 430 to the wheels with out using a temperature correction. Most people with Dyno Dynamics use a correction to bring them closer to Dyno Jet numbers that everyone is used to seeing.
I understand that, I'm not concerned with the numbers at all. I'm comparing gains in the area under the curve. It is my understanding that the C63's M156 is detuned from the factory and stands to gain more from tuning than an E63.
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I think that they put down real similar numbers from what I have seen. I'd pay for a custom tune from Tony if he was to come to the Seattle area. My car has a Eurocharged tune right now, and I ran in to a bit of an issue with the customer service aspect with them.

Tony, we actually have a bunch of AMG cars out here. Once you pick up some momentum I would be sure a Seattle trip would be worth your while. I have a buddy that has a Dyno Dynamics that will be getting set up soon and he is about 20 minutes south of Seattle.
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That is correct, C63 is detuned from the factory a tune for an C63 will release about 50HP from a stock car and the E63 only gains about 20HP.

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Thanks for the chart, but it was my understanding that the C63's gain more from tuning than the E63's. Is this not the case?

Here is a W211 E63 chart showing the gains between a stock tune and a Eurocharged tune:



Does your tune make a similar amount of power?
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I just realized that was an incorrect graph, sorry here is one from an E63 I have done.


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Get me 5 new customers, that's all the momentum I need. Send me a PM and I can give details so we can make this happen.

Originally Posted by layzie12g
I think that they put down real similar numbers from what I have seen. I'd pay for a custom tune from Tony if he was to come to the Seattle area. My car has a Eurocharged tune right now, and I ran in to a bit of an issue with the customer service aspect with them.

Tony, we actually have a bunch of AMG cars out here. Once you pick up some momentum I would be sure a Seattle trip would be worth your while. I have a buddy that has a Dyno Dynamics that will be getting set up soon and he is about 20 minutes south of Seattle.
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