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Old 11-22-2016, 11:19 AM
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Any tuners offering flex fuel yet?

havent really been on this forum much lately. Do any of the tuners offer flex fuel tunes yet?
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M-B guidance states, not to use gas with more than 10% ethanol.
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M-B guidance states, not to use gas with more than 10% ethanol.
that's definitely not what I was asking but thanks
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Not that I am aware of. Though I believe Craig ran E85 on his old sled and BIP tuned for it. But that isn't flex fuel.
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Not that I am aware of. Though I believe Craig ran E85 on his old sled and BIP tuned for it. But that isn't flex fuel.
Oh well that sucks. Thought it might be available by now.
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In talking to Speeddriven, with their standalone ecu it is possible. Otherwise, no one has dug nto the coding of these ecus to write add-ons like they have on Evos and STIs.
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In talking to Speeddriven, with their standalone ecu it is possible. Otherwise, no one has dug nto the coding of these ecus to write add-ons like they have on Evos and STIs.
Correct. On the stock ECU we've done some E85 conversions, but not flex fuel. The standalone has built-in flex fuel capability.
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Originally Posted by Speedriven1
Correct. On the stock ECU we've done some E85 conversions, but not flex fuel. The standalone has built-in flex fuel capability.
and how many standalone flex fuel customers do you have? Any numbers?
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and how many standalone flex fuel customers do you have? Any numbers?
On the Benz side? Just the one so far, and it's not running yet. Very little interest, from what I can tell. We've gotten maybe 2 phone calls about E85 conversions since the black CL ran last year- but maybe we're just not talking it up enough. We'll see.

On the Porsche/Audi/Lambo/GTR side? Quite a few- easily over a dozen on the Syvecs if you just count the ones I did with Boyan over at Switzer Performance in '12-'14. If you count the ETS, T1, and AMS cars (all on the same standalone hardware) there's probably 100.
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Originally Posted by Speedriven1
On the Benz side? Just the one so far, and it's not running yet. Very little interest, from what I can tell. We've gotten maybe 2 phone calls about E85 conversions since the black CL ran last year- but maybe we're just not talking it up enough. We'll see.

On the Porsche/Audi/Lambo/GTR side? Quite a few- easily over a dozen on the Syvecs if you just count the ones I did with Boyan over at Switzer Performance in '12-'14. If you count the ETS, T1, and AMS cars (all on the same standalone hardware) there's probably 100.
Benz side. Don't care about the rest since its been done many times. How many e55? Since you had to refund customers waiting for the standalone I figured it wasn't ready yet
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Benz side. Don't care about the rest since its been done many times. How many e55? Since you had to refund customers waiting for the standalone I figured it wasn't ready yet
Once again, BlackBenzz gets it wrong. Refunded 1 customer. Sold his spot on the early adopter list the same day.
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Once again, BlackBenzz gets it wrong. Refunded 1 customer. Sold his spot on the early adopter list the same day.
So did that person get it yet???
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Stand alone for 8 grand is a joke. It's not like it's going to make the car any faster.

This platform is limited. Thats why no one wastes time with it. No one wanting to go fast anyways.
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Stand alone for 8 grand is a joke. It's not like it's going to make the car any faster.

This platform is limited. Thats why no one wastes time with it. No one wanting to go fast anyways.
I agree it's overpriced and Im not even sure if any E55 is running it yet even though speed driven said the product would be ready a long time ago (deja vu). It would remove the 17psi limit. That in itself will make the cars faster. Not to mention the ability to tweak other things on the fly

I want to go fast 👀😂 9.6@146 isn't enough

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I agree it's overpriced and Im not even sure if any E55 is running it yet even though speed driven said the product would be ready a long time ago (deja vu). It would remove the 17psi limit. That in itself will make the cars faster. Not to mention the ability to tweak other things on the fly

I want to go fast 👀😂 9.6@146 isn't enough
Oh? In a full weight/stock blower car right?
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Oh? In a full weight/stock blower car right?
full weight Weistec blower. Close enough. How is adding standalone stock?
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Originally Posted by Ruthle55
Stand alone for 8 grand is a joke. It's not like it's going to make the car any faster.

This platform is limited. Thats why no one wastes time with it. No one wanting to go fast anyways.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not and am responding to this at face value (damned Internet service. lol)

I disagree with you. The only reason the platform has been limited is because of the limited capabilities of tuning options available up until now.
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not and am responding to this at face value (damned Internet service. lol)

I disagree with you. The only reason the platform has been limited is because of the limited capabilities of tuning options available up until now.
Every platform has a limit and considering that an engine that started out at 469hp and is now making over 700hp I would say it has more to do with parts starting to fail and not only about tuning.

The bottom feeders that are trying to reinvent the wheel on an engine that hasn't been manufactured for 10 years is quite hilarious. That's the reason why you don't see Ahmad on this forum too much anymore. He has other toys that you all wish you had!! Lol Hey Ahmad!
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not and am responding to this at face value (damned Internet service. lol)

I disagree with you. The only reason the platform has been limited is because of the limited capabilities of tuning options available up until now.
You can't tune out the inefficiency of the stock blower. You can't tune out generated heat. You can't tune out the dropping fuel pressure.

For 8 grand you can buy a stand-alone and maybe gain a couple mph from e85

OR

You can spend $800 on a nitrous kit and go faster.
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Hey worthless then do it! You talk a big game then do it
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Originally Posted by Ruthle55
You can't tune out the inefficiency of the stock blower. You can't tune out generated heat. You can't tune out the dropping fuel pressure.

For 8 grand you can buy a stand-alone and maybe gain a couple mph from e85

OR

You can spend $800 on a nitrous kit and go faster.
give it time young one, there's affordable options in the works.
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Motec M1 supports code writing to interface with any factory CAN systems to your hearts desire. Haltech Elite series supports similar code writing, but Haltech hasn't shared much of this information publicly. The Motec M1 is better for custom code writing as you can write absolutely any function.

NEITHER systems cost 8k and CAN interface with factory CAN protocols if you are inclined to write code yourself. BOTH are real race computers used in racing worldwide by race teams that win...still they do NOT cost 8k. Both are the highest model ECU's offered by their manufacturer, and offer excellent support.

For Flex-Fuel you'll need a standalone that supports Flex-Fuel. This type of functionality cannot be easily be written into factory ECU's that don't already support it.
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Originally Posted by hachiroku
Motec M1 supports code writing to interface with any factory CAN systems to your hearts desire. Haltech Elite series supports similar code writing, but Haltech hasn't shared much of this information publicly. The Motec M1 is better for custom code writing as you can write absolutely any function.

NEITHER systems cost 8k and CAN interface with factory CAN protocols if you are inclined to write code yourself. BOTH are real race computers used in racing worldwide by race teams that win...still they do NOT cost 8k. Both are the highest model ECU's offered by their manufacturer, and offer excellent support.

For Flex-Fuel you'll need a standalone that supports Flex-Fuel. This type of functionality cannot be easily be written into factory ECU's that don't already support it.
M1 development supports can interface at a user definable level, haltech does not, and will not unless they change their business model at haltech hq in Australia, and for highest model ecu's, you're up for opinions of everyone. (just a note, m1 doesn't offer flex fuel as a feature, you'd have to write the calculations for such in their system) also, a m1 dev license is over 8k last time i checked, not including the ecu...

Lots of misinformed statements are around the boards here. 2 years ago when i introduced the idea of a standalone system, people thought I was crazy, after deep thought and decision into pursuing a complete standalone vs overriding factory controls, im getting the bus information defined and am almost ready to start ordering hardware to replace the oem ecu
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