E65? AutoSpies says its coming!
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Originally Posted by Kain
Are you freaking serious?? Do you have any idea how well the M Coupe handles??
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Originally Posted by Kain
My father owns an W210 E-Class (last year of production model) is it is PLAGUED with problems! It has absolute **** quality materials and built like a Hyundai. Pay more for a Mercedes?? WTF? Wow, a Mercedes is $5,000 more than the equivilant BMW, wow. ![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
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Originally Posted by oggle
My friend has a 7 series and it is PLAGUED with problems! It has absolute **** quality materials and built like a Hyundai. What's your point?
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Are you freaking serious?? Do you have any idea how well the M Coupe handles?? There's even an Alpina version of the Z4 with the M5 engine. It has on-rails handling.
Oh, and do you remember what Top Gear said regarding the M Coupe?? "A faltless engine matched with a faltless rear-wheel-drive chassis."
Oh, and do you remember what Top Gear said regarding the M Coupe?? "A faltless engine matched with a faltless rear-wheel-drive chassis."
You must excuse me, I often forget you are incapable of grasping certain things in the english language due to your ignorance.
There were two engines put in the M Coupe and Roadster. There was the old S52 engine from the E36 M3, and for one year there was the S54 engine from the E46 M3. The 240hp engine was fine for the car, but the 333hp S54 engine was simply too much for the chassis. How do I know? I've driven a red M Coupe and my car back to back, and then asked the owner it did the same. It was agreed the chassis was overwhelmed with the S54 power plant.
Then you bring in the Alpina version, which again proves how idiotic your posts can be. You have to bring in a modified version of the car with a completely modified chassis to prove your point, when we're talking about stock cars. Brabus has done the same to countless Mercedes as well, but that's not the point.
If you want to talk magazine publications, I can start posting the number of publications that liked the W210 AMG E55 over the E39 M5.
I think I hear the lunch bell ringing, time for you to head back to your homeroom...
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I find it halarious how BMW fan boys MUST come in here and talk about how great the M3 and M5 is...
Get over it people, AMG has got you by the toes and is slowly coming up to grab you by the d*ck
Get over it people, AMG has got you by the toes and is slowly coming up to grab you by the d*ck
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Apart from this M Series vs. AMG debate, is there any confirmation on the actual existence (or plans for) the E65, the topic which originated the thread?
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Just an update. Mr. Kain is getting OWNED big time even at E46. The guy's so full of ignorance even the BMW guys are sick of it lol:
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?p=1844977
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?p=1844977
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Originally Posted by oggle
Just an update. Mr. Kain is getting OWNED big time even at E46. The guy's so full of ignorance even the BMW guys are sick of it lol:
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?p=1844977
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?p=1844977
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Originally Posted by dinko
Did you guys ever think about these rumors being about the "E63" and not the E65 ?
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
it could be the new 6.3L V8 right?
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There will never be an E65
I am quoting from an email I received today from one of the product people in Germany at AMG- "there will never be an E65"- very Germanic and direct.
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Was this from a reliable source?
For my part, as I originated the thread, I was neither proposing nor endorsing the authenticity of their statements. Like you, I was only asking the question of dependability of said statements.
However, for what it’s worth, I firmly recall AutoSpies pitching the same thing well in advance of the SL 65 as well. Many called their statements into question, too. Another example was when AutoSpies broke the story on MB discontinuing their free maintenance for 2005 and beyond.
Respondents lashed back attesting that AutoSpies was credulous in their reporting and unworthy of reliability. (Some were even dealers and "MB sources.") But, shortly thereafter, AutoSpies posted the actual official bulletins from the factory and established their authenticity for good. (These so-called countering "sources" were then very silent.)
I recall when I was shopping for my wife's '03 W203 C230 Sedan in January of '03, based on what my dealer had assured me was going to be reintroduced. I called MBUSA and asked for a possible brochure. Everyone I spoke to (even management!) said that the "dealer was misinformed." That there "was not and was never to be such a car."
Then, after several calls, I penetrated the overall hierarchy, telling them what I had heard from their representatives and showed them actual links to dealers who had physical photos of the car on their website. The car WAS in fact official, Stuttgart had built about a thousand already, had shipped to several places in the USA, but, yet, quite appallingly, MBUSA themselves had said that there was no such car! (I have all this documented with names, dates, even the eventual admitting top manager, BTW.) It was simply atrocious. The incompetence was despicable. The final top managerial party I spoke with did admit their woeful oversight and immediately regenerated a company-wide memo to inform her employees. (I say regenerated because she claimed she had already done this once, but most employees there, she stated, “do not read these memos as they should.”)
We took delivery of the first W203 C230 sold by our dealership within three months of being told “no such car was ever going to be made,” repeatedly and insistently quoted by many MBUSA representatives (over a course of two weeks).
Point of all this is, sometimes even reliable sources show their flaws and sources deemed less reliable end up being on the money.
Now, this is NOT to suggest that the “Germanic” source posted within this thread which disputes all rumors of an E 65 is incorrect. The source is probably accurate. One could argue that an E 65 is by its very nature shear overkill. But, then again, are not many recent AMG (and DaimlerChrysler) vehicles also in this mode? AMG is working on 700+ BHP engines and DaimlerChrysler has an AMG 800+ powerplant in this new exotic sportscar on deck. What’s consistently logical anymore?
We may never see an E 65, but this would not be the first time something so unlikely came to be. This is not an implication however, of me believing we will.
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My source
Without naming names, my source is a high level manager who works at AMG in Germany, so I trust the information I posted.
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This is interesting...
Check out Top Gear's latest track review of the CL65 (video). It barely made it around the track. Talk about a real POS. The E65? Even worse.
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Without naming names, my source is a high level manager who works at AMG in Germany, so I trust the information I posted.
Out of curiosity, ask him to which cars are the developmental 700+ BHP engines (with 7 speed transmissions) going into? (Probably SL's and CL's.)
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I own both brands. I love cars, all of them. I wish I could drive them all. I don't understand these brand debates. They are pointless; especially the one about the cost differences. It's quite obvious that it isn't a factor as all cars are just money pits. Anyway, the qualities inheriant with both these brands are amazing. Different but I would say equally amazing.
Anyways the point of my post is to get the thread back on track to the original question. It would be interesting to see what the E65 brings to the table. My opinion however is that Benz is changing their line up too quickly. I think they should let their customers atleast enjoy their car before it's obsolete just because you stuffed a new engine into the same box.
Anyways the point of my post is to get the thread back on track to the original question. It would be interesting to see what the E65 brings to the table. My opinion however is that Benz is changing their line up too quickly. I think they should let their customers atleast enjoy their car before it's obsolete just because you stuffed a new engine into the same box.
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Originally Posted by c2jones
Top Gear has this uncanny way of making everything non-British look like its a Model-T.
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I own both brands. I love cars, all of them. I wish I could drive them all. I don't understand these brand debates. They are pointless; especially the one about the cost differences. It's quite obvious that it isn't a factor as all cars are just money pits. Anyway, the qualities inheriant with both these brands are amazing. Different but I would say equally amazing.
Anyways the point of my post is to get the thread back on track to the original question. It would be interesting to see what the E65 brings to the table. My opinion however is that Benz is changing their line up too quickly. I think they should let their customers atleast enjoy their car before it's obsolete just because you stuffed a new engine into the same box.
Anyways the point of my post is to get the thread back on track to the original question. It would be interesting to see what the E65 brings to the table. My opinion however is that Benz is changing their line up too quickly. I think they should let their customers atleast enjoy their car before it's obsolete just because you stuffed a new engine into the same box.
Aren't MB developing a NA 6.3 i think that will go as the top of the range E class the E65 will be a dream only i'm afraid to say.
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Top Gear has this uncanny way of making everything non-British look like its a Model-T.
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only amg
e65 not
i assure you that the probability of benz putting an e65 on the road is nill, but an e63 na will be out by next year i can assure you of that, and the beast is going to have somewhere in the neighborhood of 550-600 hp