Belmondo

when these two imaginary cars will make it into production please come back and start a new thread on this facinating topic---this thread is about
autocars unpablished numbers of:
M5
0-100 in 4.58
1/4 mile in 12.61 @ 185 km/h
1km in 22.7 @ 246 km/h



and R&t's numbers for E55 AMG of 0-60 @4.2 and 1/4 mile 12.4@116.4mph=186.24km/h


so looks like problem solved, thank you very much.
You may go to sleep right now knowing that everything is figuered out and all is clear now.

----------- Originally Posted by Bilal
I seriously don't know where the thread headed after I packed up and went to bed last night.

Those numbers posted from autocar magazine are blistering, they practically eliminate the E55 from any speed to any speed.--------------



The numbers posted by the R&T even more blistering that practically eliminate M5 from any speed to any speed.

Good night my friend, sleep tight.

Zlaatan

I'm going to stop posting in these kind of threads. Don't have the energy..

Just a little conclusion on where I stand.

IF:

The M5 is faster in the 1/4 = fine

The E55 is faster in the 1/4 = fine

The M5 is faster on the track = fine

The E55 is faster on the track = fine

I'm going to enjoy reading and hopefully drive (?) these cars and stop arguing about which one is better at what.

Thanks for reading.

J Irwan

COULDN"T AGREE MORE...


as much as a mercedes fans, I still find some people are too narrow minded ....to accept that the other car is faster..

if M5 is faster so what, it is faster by a fraction...not by much..

at the end it's all about preference...



I guess there are certain pride...among BMW and Benz owners... that are so stubborn..

let's just accept that these 2 cars are really the best and the best of the supersedan this decade...



Then again I am not taking sides here, I am just tired reading the same thing happen over and over again....pointless debate... that's what....



Regardz,

ATS

Yeah the competition is kinda sad..

We all know which car is better..

(Just kidding.. hehe)..

reggid

have you any idea what a comparison is? Both cars need the same conditions. who cares whether r&t got 11sec or even 10 the idea is have both cars compete under the same conditions else its useless comparing htem. I can test my 15yr old BMW down a hill and it would beat both the M5 and e55's times.but under the same conditons i would get destroyed.

houston

i've seen chicks driving E55's and sometimes even old *** ladies and rich old men... prolly half the owners of E55's don't even push their gas pedal pass 3000rpms..

i enjoy my E55 and will enjoy it more when i mod it.. i prolly would enjoy the new M5 if i had it except for it's ugly looks(my preference) but all i can say is enjoy what u have and if **** hits the fan and other competitors become faster or better, there's always next year or should i say next production time.....

i honestly don't 100% care which is faster but all i know is i own one and it's the E55 and all i can do is improve what i have or sell it for what i think is better.. if when M5 is out and there are numbers who's to tell who's numbers are correct, who's to say even the most respected magazine numbers are correct, there'll always be different drivers... so there's always be different results.. if the m5 is faster than my e55, that'll be cool, cuz the more reason for me to want to mod it more.. but if it's not faster, cool, i may just still mod it for my own prefference or just to be my own king of the road... either it slower or faster, i do wouldn't mind making my e55 handle better! but anyways like i said, faster or slower, i hope everyone enjoys their soon to be new m5 or their soon to be e55 or all the current e55 owners enjoy the most of it and are happy of what they get, even if it means braggin rights..

scorchie

Whoa, my E55 is just over 15 1/2 feet long... maybe a couple inches. Yours is about 30% bigger!

-s-

Just_me

I have been watching this board for a long time but never written here before. But now I have to.

When there are threads like BMW vs Mercedes most of you guys acting very childish. It's only cars we're discussing, most of you guys become so hostile when bmw is mentioned here.
Bmw and Mercedes are one of the worlds greatest carmakers. Both building excellent cars but built for different purposes and to different customers.

Who really care if a car is one second slower or faster or the best performer on a track. For dailyuse, these things isn't important. If a car is 1 second slower or faster is not that you will feel a the difference and how often do M5 and E55 owners race against each other on the freeway.

And AMG owners, did you really thought that E55 would always be faster than a M5. First E55 was the king , now M5 is the king. When AMG release a new E-class the roles will change again and then M will build a new M5 - this is a never ending battle.
Is it really so hard to believe that bmw is releasing a M5 that is faster than the current E55. When Bmw was developing the new M5, they had an E55 and a RS6 to compare with. So I'm not surprised M5 is faster.

One other thing. You guys can't take the best time you have seen and then compare it to the times for the new M5. E55 has been tested several times, M5 only one time. And if the cars haven't been tested at the same time, comparing is useless.

And you Belmondo, what's up with you, now you are even attacking mercedes fans. I dont like the way you talked to Bilal
Behave and deal that M5 is faster than a E55, your time will come when the next E55(or whatever they call it) is being released.

Also, BMW fans and Mercedes fans, don't take these comparisons too serious. In the end it's up to you guys what car you prefer. If you like M5 buy it, if not buy an E55.
They are both amazing cars, just appealing to different people.

W210

It is hard to believe the M5 doing the 10-15 car lengths over the E55 which started all this.

The conclusion is that the writer goofed and that's the end of it.

Numbers don't lie, looking at the weight, horsepower, torque, there is no way the E60 will beat the E55 as much as the current E55 absolutely destroys the E39 M5 in acceleration.

In fact, I doubt the M5 is significantly faster but the M5 is about handling more so than straight line.

Not that I have much respect for the article after the 10-15 joke, but the writer did mention about brake fade and poor wet traction in P500 mode which is a bit of a concern. No wonder BMW had to remove the fog lights to improve braking.

Just_me

this is what Automotorsport says about the brakes:
- no negative points, except consumption
- the best overall performance package ever
- perfect engine, very low noise in the interior, loud and aggressive from outside
- perfect transmisson, the fastest gearbox ever seen
- extremely fast accelerating, even more extreme at 180+ (km/h)
- extreme brake-force, even at many highspeed-stops, no fading
- consumtion was about 15 l/100km

No complain on the fading.

ps what prove to you need to think that M5 is faster?

W210

So it appears that the qualitative comments from the Autocar writer can indeed be ignored. If you can post some quantitative data from Automotors und Sports, that will be appreciated.

Proof that the M5 is faster? Why bother at this stage? I'm sure there will be lots of tests to come.

This topic is about:

"New M5 beats E55 by 10-15 CL to a 155 mph? Autocar first test-drive of the M5..."

10-15 car lengths to 155 mph is a bit silly and I was commenting on the irresponsible journalism from Autocar making up numbers before they can carry out a full test.

Just_me

Dont take the 10-15 lenghts to serious. We dont know the whole story.
But I have no doubts that the M5 is faster than E55 or it would be embarassing for bmw. I know the new M5 is a better car when it comes to handling but the performance straightlines has to be better as well.
Or I go kick BMW in the a**

W210

You are quite a dedicated BMW fan aren't you?

To be honest, I would still consider the E60 M5 even if it is a little slower than the E55 as I believe the car will make up in the handling department. The part that bothers me most however is the poor ergonomics and the rather unattractive design.

I am certain the car will handle well judging from the 5-series, I'm sure the power will be ok with the V10, but those headlights, the ugly dash, the iDrive, the unusable telematics, the lack of comfort features, I don't know.

I suppose if the car is well received and the demand is high, it should retain its value unlike a regular 5 or 7, thus it doesn't hurt to get the thing and mess around with it for it a year or two.

Just_me

Yes, BMW attract me more than Mercedes. But I'm not like most guys where you only like one car. No one of this brands are superior to the other. I guess I'm more openminded.
In the end, what car you choose is up to everybody. Its personal preferences that matter not what a carmags says.

And the design of these cars is also up to everybody, we can't all like the same things.

If you like AMG more than a M car, fine by me but it won't change my mind

W210

I think most of us here hang out to share our enjoyment over our Mercedes. If we were into changing others minds, we would have gone to the BMW boards to preach!

It's kind of like us having dinner in a French restaurant, a big fan of Italian food comes in, not interested in having any French food except to tell us how he and all the food critics believe Italian food is better than French.

Does he not realize if we wanted Italian food, we would have gone to an Italian restaurant? Why bother being so antisocial in a foreign community? Why the crusade?

Just_me

hehe, thats one way to explain it.

krispykrme

Let me respond to this analogy.

It's kind of like french food lover/critics offering critics and opinion on how bad italian food are without even tasting italian food. So what makes you comment above different from my comment. Both are anti-social. What deteremines which anti-social behavior is better than the other. Unless we are living in total seclusion where on group of people does not meet another group, both actions are anti-social.

What makes your comment and my comment different from racist comment or isolationism?

BoBcanada

Guys lets finish this topic already...

W210

The difference my friend, is that it is socialable to praise in the community with similar interests.

To use an analogy you may understand better, do you preach Buddism in a Church?

W210

Absolutely agree, kk if you want to continue, post in off topics section!

Jon200

If the M5 does beat the E55 by 10-15 CL to a 155mph, does that mean all E55 owners should trade in their benz and get their M5?

But those Bimmer engineers sure know how to make nice engines, they have squeezed another 100bhp out of the same 5L, F1 configuration and stuf, awesome.

H50

am really impressed of both on my e55 and sl55 i really like their engines,, and am on the listr of the m5 too..

Am wondering if those Bimmers were Using Force induction or a turbos they could reach impressive numbers,, and there wont be a chance for AMG to compete imo