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Are those not off a W212/218? If they work I'll order those in for sure but I'm not super familiar with the interchangeability on these cars yet. I can make things work/fab some brackets but if those work and are appropriate then I'll just go that route.
Sorry about the delay but it took me a bit to confirm the Brembo bracket number on my caliper (W211 E63). It is in fact a different number than the link I posted. Its number is 19.7661.05. I'm sorry about the confusion and hope this helps.
Sorry about the delay but it took me a bit to confirm the Brembo bracket number on my caliper (W211 E63). It is in fact a different number than the link I posted. Its number is 19.7661.05. I'm sorry about the confusion and hope this helps.
So your car has the 390mm Rotors? Is it possible there are two different brackets with the same part number?
Last edited by crconsulting; 12-03-2021 at 03:15 PM.
Yeah, your brackets are W204 C63 AMG. (wider spacing?)
The calipers have the crossover line so they are the older version caliper. But the dimensions are the same.
I believe the brackets that are in that eBay listing (post #17) are for 360mm Rotors and 19.7661.05 is for 390mm Rotors.
They share the same 110mm mounting distance on the steering knuckle.
Let’s confirm machild’s rotor size for further clarification.
Not sure about 212’s but if you run 390mm rotors you may need 19” wheels.
Last edited by crconsulting; 12-03-2021 at 03:26 PM.
Sorry about the delay but it took me a bit to confirm the Brembo bracket number on my caliper (W211 E63). It is in fact a different number than the link I posted. Its number is 19.7661.05. I'm sorry about the confusion and hope this helps.
I've ordered in the caliper brackets you linked, as the bolt spacings all seem to match, and I figure offset can be set up with washers worst case and I can get some brackets CNCd after the fact. Appreciate the help guys! After this I've got a trans tune left and then I can start working on power mods.
So your car has the 390mm Rotors? Is it possible there are two different brackets with the same part number?
This reveals that numbers are not always accurate. The picture i'm posting here is of my 360 caliper and it, in fact, has the same Brembo number as the one you posted while also your's notes that it is for a 390mm rotor. You can see where yours is noted as for 390 mine is blank. I have also posted two Centric pics in a Word doc from their data base which shows both the caliper for a 390 rotor (top pic in the attachment) and for the 360 rotor which is the lower pic. Note the difference between the two brackets. Please note, that in their pics they list the caliper for the 390 as number as Cst# 20.9553.01 (whcih is the correct caliper Brembo number) while for the 360 rotor they list Cst# 19.7661.05 which is a Brembo bracket part number and not a caliper part number. And, is also the number I have listed on 360 rotor caliper bracket.
I've ordered in the caliper brackets you linked, as the bolt spacings all seem to match, and I figure offset can be set up with washers worst case and I can get some brackets CNCd after the fact. Appreciate the help guys! After this I've got a trans tune left and then I can start working on power mods.
This reveals that numbers are not always accurate. The picture i'm posting here is of my 360 caliper and it, in fact, has the same Brembo number as the one you posted while also your's notes that it is for a 390mm rotor. You can see where yours is noted as for 390 mine is blank. I have also posted two Centric pics in a Word doc from their data base which shows both the caliper for a 390 rotor (top pic in the attachment) and for the 360 rotor which is the lower pic. Note the difference between the two brackets. Please note, that in their pics they list the caliper for the 390 as number as Cst# 20.9553.01 (whcih is the correct caliper Brembo number) while for the 360 rotor they list Cst# 19.7661.05 which is a Brembo bracket part number and not a caliper part number. And, is also the number I have listed on 360 rotor caliper bracket.
Yeah that is Interesting…
Either Guido had a bad Monday or it’s the same bracket reused which gives different distance depending on knuckle it's used on. It (both 19.7661.05 brackets) look identical.
MB may have repurposed it and took off the “390”. It wouldn't be the first time. I think that is the same bracket they used on R230
I also think the bracket on eBay is correct too, perhaps a later “AMG blessed” design. Maybe different bolt size on steering knuckle? But they look the same size…
20.9747.47 is clearly marked 212 chassis with 360mm brakes and looks identical to the one on the 360mm caliper/bracket in your attached Centric document (19.7661.05). Spacing and height all look correct. The difference being they are pictured with the early caliper with the crossover tube. Whereas 20.9747.47 is coupled with the later caliper without crossover tube. But one would think they all share that 256mm distance to bolt the caliper to the bracket.
Last edited by crconsulting; 12-03-2021 at 04:45 PM.
I've ordered in the caliper brackets you linked, as the bolt spacings all seem to match, and I figure offset can be set up with washers worst case and I can get some brackets CNCd after the fact. Appreciate the help guys! After this I've got a trans tune left and then I can start working on power mods.
Originally Posted by machild
Hope it all works out for you.
Come back and let us know when you get them....
Haha, Or if we have to start a go fund me page
Come back and let us know when you get them....
Haha, Or if we have to start a go fund me page
Should have them some time at the end of next week/beginning of the following one. Regardless, I'll figure it out. Managed to get convert an AWD gasser wagon into a RWD oil burner (with no check engine light on to speak of lol), I think I can get this done. Plus as @machild mentioned, would be good to know if the brackets off the 212/218 cars fit the older ones. Brackets appear to be a different design, but if the dimensions all match then that's kind of irrelevant at the end of the day, and it'll be good to know if we have alternative options available to us. I am going to be running 360mm discs (have racingbrake 2pc discs ready to go) and might consider upgrading to the 390s later, but since the car will be driven year round up here (and 19" low profile winters suck to get a hold of) I'll probably stick with 360s/18"s.
Should have them some time at the end of next week/beginning of the following one. Regardless, I'll figure it out. Managed to get convert an AWD gasser wagon into a RWD oil burner (with no check engine light on to speak of lol), I think I can get this done. Plus as @machild mentioned, would be good to know if the brackets off the 212/218 cars fit the older ones. Brackets appear to be a different design, but if the dimensions all match then that's kind of irrelevant at the end of the day, and it'll be good to know if we have alternative options available to us. I am going to be running 360mm discs (have racingbrake 2pc discs ready to go) and might consider upgrading to the 390s later, but since the car will be driven year round up here (and 19" low profile winters suck to get a hold of) I'll probably stick with 360s/18"s.
Sounds like you are good at figuring out problems. If you have not already chased this down, you may want to confirm before you get too far down the road that the knuckle mounting point is set to use the 14M bolt that the E63 caliper requires. I'm fairrly sure some W211 models use different mounting bolt sizes for the caliper. If your current setup uses a 12M caliper mounting bolts then look at simply drilling up to the 14M size as compared to changing out the knuckle. There may well be enough material with the mounting boss to allow for the larger size - but make sure.
Sounds like you are good at figuring out problems. If you have not already chased this down, you may want to confirm before you get too far down the road that the knuckle mounting point is set to use the 14M bolt that the E63 caliper requires. I'm fairrly sure some W211 models use different mounting bolt sizes for the caliper. If your current setup uses a 12M caliper mounting bolts then look at simply drilling up to the 14M size as compared to changing out the knuckle. There may well be enough material with the mounting boss to allow for the larger size - but make sure.
Since I've got the standard CDI knuckles they will be 12mm mounting bolts. I've got a 9/16" drill bit ready to go through them when I'm ready to put on the AMG brakes. Worst case I figure can grab some spare knuckles from a few local yards and just freshen up the ball joints and drill them out on a bench. They are common enough now in yards that it won't be a problem. Appreciate the heads up!
12-03-2021, 01:16 PM
