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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 12:38 AM
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The bypass value allows me to keep the stock mufflers which have a very refined sound and when I what max performance with no backpressure (which is important givent the increased exhaust speed due to the headers) I can press the switch and get the performance. I would not want to ride around with any increased noise when I don't need max performance.
Thank you for clearing that up Saber Please tell me how it goes. I would love to see the set up...
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 01:59 AM
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The bypass value allows me to keep the stock mufflers which have a very refined sound and when I what max performance with no backpressure (which is important givent the increased exhaust speed due to the headers) I can press the switch and get the performance. I would not want to ride around with any increased noise when I don't need max performance.

PLEASE tell me how this goes and also how much installation costs. PM me if possible, I'm very interested. Thanks!
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 12:31 PM
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Update, we are not removing the resonaters because they are relatively straight and there is limited benefit. What we are doing is installing a bypass value right in front of the mufflers. The switch is next to the shifter and when held for 5 secs the exhaust bypasses the muffers and goes to a pipe that is plumed back into the tailpipes. Should be fun. Let you know.

Now that is cool. Any type of switch in my car that gives me extra power on demand is something I got to have. How loud is it when you hit the switch? What are the Hp gains? Why do you have to hold the switch for 5 secs? That seems like a long time. Can you post a picture of the switch? Can you post a .wav file of the sound?

Also, looking at your orginal post, does the Kleemens LSD work with the ESP on? And how are you proramming the ECU to optimally work with the Kleeman headers. I know when you get the stage 2 kit from Kleemens they program the ECU for the pulleys and headers. How does it work with Renntech pulleys and Kleemen headers?
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 01:28 PM
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Now that is cool. Any type of switch in my car that gives me extra power on demand is something I got to have. How loud is it when you hit the switch? What are the Hp gains? Why do you have to hold the switch for 5 secs? That seems like a long time. Can you post a picture of the switch? Can you post a .wav file of the sound?

Also, looking at your orginal post, does the Kleemens LSD work with the ESP on? And how are you proramming the ECU to optimally work with the Kleeman headers. I know when you get the stage 2 kit from Kleemens they program the ECU for the pulleys and headers. How does it work with Renntech pulleys and Kleemen headers?
With the headers and flow through exhaust 50hp. I don't know how loud it will be because I don't have the car back yet but open exhaust is very load.
The switch is variable meaning the longer you hold it the more the value opens, upto 5 secs when the valve is fully open.
The ESP will be off when I am shooting for optimal acceleration. The ECU adapts based on several critria and should work well. The ECU program offered from both Renntech and Kleemann are the same with or without headers.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 01:35 PM
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Is Evosport manufacturing the intercooler upgrade?
Yes, we are completing EVOIII, which is intercooler pump upgrade and an additional heat exchanger. EVOIV will add bigger intercooler core, mounted above the heads, like an SLR engine.

EVOIII wil be ready by Dec. 1st., EVOIV shorlty thereafter.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ evosport
Yes, we are completing EVOIII, which is intercooler pump upgrade and an additional heat exchanger. EVOIV will add bigger intercooler core, mounted above the heads, like an SLR engine.

EVOIII wil be ready by Dec. 1st., EVOIV shorlty thereafter.
EVOIV is the only way to solve the problem because the original intercooler placement was a design flaw.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ evosport
Yes, we are completing EVOIII, which is intercooler pump upgrade and an additional heat exchanger. EVOIV will add bigger intercooler core, mounted above the heads, like an SLR engine.

EVOIII wil be ready by Dec. 1st., EVOIV shorlty thereafter.
Dayam Vadim...do you need a test car for that EVOIV???
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 08:30 PM
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You might need two just in case...
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by saber
With the headers and flow through exhaust 50hp. I don't know how loud it will be because I don't have the car back yet but open exhaust is very load.
The switch is variable meaning the longer you hold it the more the value opens, upto 5 secs when the valve is fully open.
The ESP will be off when I am shooting for optimal acceleration. The ECU adapts based on several critria and should work well. The ECU program offered from both Renntech and Kleemann are the same with or without headers.
Thanks for the info. This is a very timely thread for me. I have decided on the Kleeman K3 package (ECU, Pulley, Headers and Camshafts) They are boasting 610 Hp. I also decided to get the Kleemens Lowering Module and LSD done at the same time. Everything will run about $16 - $17K installed. My beast is going to the shop the first week of Dec so let us know how you made out with your flow though mod. I will probably do it if you like the results. I will post pics and dyno when its all done. Wish me luck.
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Old Nov 15, 2004 | 11:37 PM
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saber's mod is actually very common in other car arena's - especially the domestic one. It's actually called an exhaust "cutout". There are a large variety of makers for these items, and they are definitely not a bolt on affair. It will require cutting and welding for the E55's exhaust.

I have yet to get the E55 up on a lift to check out what I will do with the exhaust system. I am definitely jealous of the SL55's throatier exhaust tone due to it's lack of resonators and want to come up with a viable solution to opening up the melody of the M113 engine without getting too obnoxious.

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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 01:20 AM
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You think if I removed my resonators I'd bee too loud? I also don't want an obnoxious sound or too much cabin resonance.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Rev It Up
Thanks for the info. This is a very timely thread for me. I have decided on the Kleeman K3 package (ECU, Pulley, Headers and Camshafts) They are boasting 610 Hp. I also decided to get the Kleemens Lowering Module and LSD done at the same time. Everything will run about $16 - $17K installed. My beast is going to the shop the first week of Dec so let us know how you made out with your flow though mod. I will probably do it if you like the results. I will post pics and dyno when its all done. Wish me luck.
Who is doing your install? The pricing is good
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 01:53 PM
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Who is doing your install? The pricing is good
I am using Last Minute Racing, 203-378-9090. Ask for Alain. These guys are really terrific and very service oriented. They let me borrow one of their suped up cars while the work was being done (BMW M3). They also picked up the car from my office and dropped in back off when everything was completed. It made it very convenient, something that is high on my list these days and probably with anybody else that is buying $80K cars + mods. So far Last Minute Racing has done the follwing for me at the prices below:

* Install Xenon headlights with extra bright discharge bulbs $1,296

* Install Valentine 1 Radar with laser diffuser (etched into rearview mirror)$2,700. I have seen this for $3,900 at other shops

* Clear bra full package $1,400

* Window tiniting $500

* Rear Trunk lid spoiler $516
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 02:35 PM
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* Window tiniting $500

* Rear Trunk lid spoiler $516
Whaaa! My windows were $260 for all around 3M 30% tint and my Lorinser decklid was $400 painted and installed, but thats a different story...
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 03:19 PM
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Whaaa! My windows were $260 for all around 3M 30% tint and my Lorinser decklid was $400 painted and installed, but thats a different story...
That is a great price. LMR might not be the cheapest, but they do really great work and I can't even begin to tell you how terrific they are when it comes to customer service. I am definitely a loyal customer and I am convinced anyone else who decides to use them will come to the same conclusion.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Eleanor Owner
You think if I removed my resonators I'd bee too loud? I also don't want an obnoxious sound or too much cabin resonance.
If you want to hear the E5Slow without resonators I will meet up with you sometime and you can hear it for yourself. I have no resonators and have the borla race mufflers. It is nice and throaty. But then again it does resonate a little bit inside the car. It gets a lot quieter after 2K but until then it's nice and throaty for me...might be kind of loud of others. But I like it
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 07:33 PM
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Sounds like a plan. Cabin resonance really isn't a big deal for me though, you should hear Eleanor.... Anyway, maybe we can meet up or I can hear it if Valdim ever perfects the Evosport III. How much louder than w/ stock mufflers do you think your car sounds because of your Borla's?
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Eleanor Owner
Sounds like a plan. Cabin resonance really isn't a big deal for me though, you should hear Eleanor.... Anyway, maybe we can meet up or I can hear it if Valdim ever perfects the Evosport III. How much louder than w/ stock mufflers do you think your car sounds because of your Borla's?
To tell you the truth I really don't know how much the difference would be because I went from the stock exhaust and then did the borla muffler swap and took out the resonators at the same time so I have no idea what to compare it to...if that makes any sense.
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Old Nov 16, 2004 | 10:01 PM
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 01:00 PM
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I brought my 2003 E55 for more modifications on Tuesday. I already have Renntech pulley and ECU upgrade, modified air intakes and HRE rims and drag radials. My best time at the track has been 12.16 at 118mph. I am having Kleemann headers installed and removing one pair of cat converters and the resonaters. In addition, I am having the Kleemann limited slip diff installed and a intercooler ring charged with co2 added. I am using RPM Racing Inc for the install.
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I got my car back from RPM last night. First class job all around. The car roars with the pipes open but you dont hear that much in the car interior because the pipes exit in the original tail pipes. There is so much power that I get no traction even with the limited slip. I will be experimenting tonight and will update this post again later
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Dayam...must be nice congrats
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 06:54 PM
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I got my car back from RPM last night. First class job all around. The car roars with the pipes open but you dont hear that much in the car interior because the pipes exit in the original tail pipes. There is so much power that I get no traction even with the limited slip. I will be experimenting tonight and will update this post again later
Nice! Congrats on the new mod, I'm so jealous. Give us a pic or a vid or something to drool over
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 07:31 PM
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Who did you deal with @ RPM?
I've also used RPM. I'm guessing Eric or Russ
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 09:47 PM
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saber congrats can you film your car i would love to hear your baby roar
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