Originally Posted by hpgn

Took some pictures the day the car arrived. Pictures are attached.

I agree it is expected that the 5.5TT is faster than the 6.2 NA. What I meant by mentioning the C63 and E63 was that I didn't expect this big a difference.

Regarding the Panamera I drove one a few weeks before receiving my car and I agree... Although the 0-60 numbers are impressive I believe that much of it is in the PDK and 4wd... as I said from a rolling start I think the CLS will beat it.

Cheers,

H.

Originally Posted by turbotom1

My registration says 4153 lbs and Mercedes dropped the price $4,150 bringing it closer to the E63.




2012 E63: Curb weight (C/D est): 4200–4300 lb
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review

2012 E63: Curb weight, mfr. claim (lbs.) 4,057
http://www.insideline.com/mercedes-b...and-video.html

"The 2012 E63 AMG is essentially a mechanical doppelgaenger for the CLS63 AMG. Both have the same hand-built, direct-injection V-8 that makes 518 horsepower and 516 pound-feet of torque. Both have the same seven-speed wet clutch transmission, the same electrohydraulic steering system, and upgraded suspension and electronics. Unlike the CLS63, which had dramatic plastic surgery along with its heart transplant, the 2012 E63 receives only the tiniest of Botox injections, primarily new 10-spoke wheels and V-8 BITURBO badging.
Curb weight 4100-4300 lb (mfr)"
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1YSElK4mW


The world's first all-LED active headlamps
http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicl...nology#modules

The CLS63 AMG rips off 60-mph sprints in 3.8 seconds, the quarter mile in 12 flat and 100 mph comes up in just 8.3 sec.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/up...benz-cls63-amg

the CLS63 ripped to 60 mph in 3.8 seconds, 100 in 8.5, and 150 in 19.5. Add 0.1 second to those times if launch control is used. The quarter-mile is 12.0 seconds away, at which point you’ll be going 121 mph. The 4275-pound, four-door CLS63 will dust a Corvette Grand Sport and hang close to a Z06.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test

during the 0-60 and quarter-mile runs. Those millisecond shifts helped push the 4256-pound CLS63 to a rarified 0-to-60 time of 3.9 seconds, with the quarter coming in 12.1 seconds at 121.3 mph

the 2012 CLS63 is $4,150 less expensive than before.
http://www.insideline.com/mercedes-b...cls-class.html


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Originally Posted by turbotom1

So did you rate the SLS against the new E63 ?
2 SLS AMG
2 CLS 63
2.E 63
1 E 63 wagon







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Originally Posted by turbotom1

2012 CLS63
0–60 mph 3.8 sec
0–100 mph 8.3 sec
0–1320 ft (1/4 mile) 12.0 sec @ 122.5 mph
Skidpad 0.93 g
Slalom 70.3 mph
Braking, 60–0 mph 116 ft

2012 E63 (should match he CLS63)
coming soon
coming soon
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2011 E63
0-60 mph 4.1 sec
0-100 mph 9.5 sec
0-1320 ft (1/4 mile) 12.5 @ 115 mpd
skidpad 0.92g
slalom 68.2 mph
braking 60-0 119 ft

Source R&T.
2012 CLS63
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/up...benz-cls63-amg

2011 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe, 2010 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG
Curb weight 4240 lb 4285 lb
0-60 mph 4.1 sec 4.1 sec
0-100 mph 9.3 sec 9.5 sec
Braking, 60-0 mph 117 ft 119 ft
Lateral accel (200-ft skidpad) 0.89g 0.92g
slalom 70.3 mph 68.2 mph

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...s-benz-e63-amg

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/im...s-benz-e63-amg

Originally Posted by bigben320e

Tom I like that, just posting up facts and no opinions on it. Good stuff.

Personally, I prefer the CLS over the E regardless if 550 or 63.

Originally Posted by turbotom1

Thanks, I always use just one magazine (when possible) for car reviews so its as fair as possible.

The E and CLS are so close in every aspect but looks, that it amazes me when I read ridiculous unsupported statements:
Its based on the C class.
Has a cramped interior.
Weights 300 lbs more.
Is slower around corners, less nimble.

I'm lucky and get to drive (or ride in) modded E55's and E63's every week so my opinions are not based on one or two rides but instead on "seat time"








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Originally Posted by callmiro

That's kinda the problem....when you rely on magazine stats to justify your stance....side by side spreadsheet analytics dont tell you which is the better car......you exclude the entire aspects of dynamics and feel.

I do agree that the CLS has the advantage in style (i was ready to put a deposit on one), but the E63 is a better driver's car in every single category. The CLS63 is a an aswesome car but just not as sharp at the limits.

You really notice the difference in the high-speed slalom and driving them back to back. I've driven both the 2011 CLS63 and 2011 E63 around the track for a full day and there was no comparison. The E63 has just a better driving car...faster....sharper...and more confidence inspiring. It's even more the case with the 2012's. And now with more thrust, you can tell when you drive them, that they are very different.

Just my 2 cents (plus tax)

Originally Posted by callmiro

The E63 is 227 pounds lighter than the CLS63....

"The now slightly lighter 4,050-pound E63 (227 pounds less than the CLS63 AMG with which it shares underpinnings) felt balanced through even the most exaggerated long bends at Paul Ricard"

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/11/2012-mercedes-benz-e63-amg-first-drive-review/

Originally Posted by bigben320e

From MB/AMG site:

CLS 63 = 4277 Curb Weight
E63 = 4084 Curb Weight

4277 - 4084 = 193lbs.



All this fuzzy math, I am going according to this in AMG site. I think they would be the best to see weight and other specs on their on own cars.

Originally Posted by bigben320e

From MB/AMG site:

CLS 63 = 4277 Curb Weight
E63 = 4084 Curb Weight

4277 - 4084 = 193lbs.



All this fuzzy math, I am going according to this in AMG site. I think they would be the best to see weight and other specs on their on own cars.

Originally Posted by hpgn

Just an update...

Although the headroom thing is a bummer I have know reached 400miles and gave up on the break-in following MBs instructions. By no means I wish to discuss if its good or bad for the car. What I wanted to say is that this car is fast!!! On my VBOX, without race start, I can get 3.9 (0-60) every time. But that isn't enough to describe how fast it feels. I have had a Renntech tuned C63 and an E63 and they don't even come close!!! Either MB is lying about hp or this is the best engine ever! As for the lag, it is barely noticeable, much less so than in the panamera turbo. Actualy haven driven a panamera turbo I'm looking for one to race. I honestly believe that form a rolling start this car will beat it.

Regards,

H.

Originally Posted by callmiro

The E63 is 227 pounds lighter than the CLS63....

"The now slightly lighter 4,050-pound E63 (227 pounds less than the CLS63 AMG with which it shares underpinnings) felt balanced through even the most exaggerated long bends at Paul Ricard"

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/11/2012-mercedes-benz-e63-amg-first-drive-review/

Originally Posted by turbotom1

Everyone on here understands that weight varies with different options, wheels and brakes.

My 2012 CLS63 weighs 4153 lbs, see below.
I did get the lighter forged alloy wheels to shave some weight (code 793) and carbon fiber interior instead of the wood treatment.

Naturally we agree that the weight of the two cars in question were different as you described so well, thank you.

It just as easily could have been a loaded E63 with the Panorama roof and standard wheels (4,300) versus a striped CLS63 with forged wheels (4,153)

Something else to consider during the purchasing cycle, I did.




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Originally Posted by DAGREEKNYC

tom how does it feel compared to your prior 63's ?????

Originally Posted by vdubpower

and why does does the E only have the dynamic seat for driver but the CLS has for both front?????

Originally Posted by vdubpower

and why does does the E only have the dynamic seat for driver but the CLS has for both front?????