Sourced this E63TT Wagon... Thoughts
01-30-2012, 05:25 PM
#51
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Not sure what "hard" break in really means.
However, I like the sunday drive through the canyons with moderately increasing shift RPM as miles build up.
No redline untill after 1K miles and 1st oil change.
Are you saying to start running to redline right away?
However, I like the sunday drive through the canyons with moderately increasing shift RPM as miles build up.
No redline untill after 1K miles and 1st oil change.
Are you saying to start running to redline right away?
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01-30-2012, 06:56 PM
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Good read on seating of the piston rings. It would be nice to see that diagram as mentioned in the article to clear up the concept.
It is still not clear how to break in a modern engine properly. Per the article, too much or too little can both cause the mentioned problem. I wish the manual would state how to do it, ie how much rpm for how long, load, speed, acceleration, etc.
It is still not clear how to break in a modern engine properly. Per the article, too much or too little can both cause the mentioned problem. I wish the manual would state how to do it, ie how much rpm for how long, load, speed, acceleration, etc.
01-30-2012, 10:35 PM
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on the break in... doesnt it really depend on what Merc does at the AMG factory? Don't all the engines get tested and therefore get the initial "wearing of the rings" in the afforementioned post? Another link I read from some guy who talks motorcycles says that the first 20 miles is where it all happens. Who knows who to believe, but I would think AMG motors get treated differently at the factory than the standard motors. And regardless of what the web states, I would hope that the Mercedes AMG engineers would know the correct way to break in the motor and also get optimal performance/life span trade offs.
Of course on the flipside of that, they do not want us users abusing the motors and creating engines that are going to require warranty work
but still... One would hope that the actual creators of the motor would know the real scoop. I gotta believe they did a LOT of testing with this new homegrown motor with lots of stripdowns and looking at piston wear.
I am at 900 miles on the car, but I certainly put my foot into it a few times long before that
Of course on the flipside of that, they do not want us users abusing the motors and creating engines that are going to require warranty work
but still... One would hope that the actual creators of the motor would know the real scoop. I gotta believe they did a LOT of testing with this new homegrown motor with lots of stripdowns and looking at piston wear.
I am at 900 miles on the car, but I certainly put my foot into it a few times long before that
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01-30-2012, 11:03 PM
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yes... it was the same sticker that was on my 2005 E55 as well. I think they just got a good deal on a large quantity of the stickers and need to use them up over a 10 year period 
but yea, regardless of what the sticker says, seems like BS to me. if someone would have told you 10 years ago that at every stop light your car is going to shutdown and then instantly start up to save on gas, would you have believe that is good for the motor or starter, etc...
The modern engine parts are probably made with such amazing precision these days, we can't really relate it to the engines of the past.
Oh, and of course I purchased the extended warranty. 3 extra years for $3100 is a no brainer!
but yea, regardless of what the sticker says, seems like BS to me. if someone would have told you 10 years ago that at every stop light your car is going to shutdown and then instantly start up to save on gas, would you have believe that is good for the motor or starter, etc...
The modern engine parts are probably made with such amazing precision these days, we can't really relate it to the engines of the past.
Oh, and of course I purchased the extended warranty. 3 extra years for $3100 is a no brainer!
01-31-2012, 12:03 AM
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yeah C mode start stop is wierd, i feel like its gonna be detrimental but im sure they wouldnt make it that way.
i got the extd too, 7/100000, expensive tho
i got the extd too, 7/100000, expensive tho
01-31-2012, 10:34 AM
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yes... it was the same sticker that was on my 2005 E55 as well. I think they just got a good deal on a large quantity of the stickers and need to use them up over a 10 year period
but yea, regardless of what the sticker says, seems like BS to me. if someone would have told you 10 years ago that at every stop light your car is going to shutdown and then instantly start up to save on gas, would you have believe that is good for the motor or starter, etc...
The modern engine parts are probably made with such amazing precision these days, we can't really relate it to the engines of the past.
Oh, and of course I purchased the extended warranty. 3 extra years for $3100 is a no brainer!
but yea, regardless of what the sticker says, seems like BS to me. if someone would have told you 10 years ago that at every stop light your car is going to shutdown and then instantly start up to save on gas, would you have believe that is good for the motor or starter, etc...
The modern engine parts are probably made with such amazing precision these days, we can't really relate it to the engines of the past.
Oh, and of course I purchased the extended warranty. 3 extra years for $3100 is a no brainer!
Russell - so does that mean your full warranty takes you through 7 years? how many miles total?
Thanks
01-31-2012, 02:49 PM
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according to my dealer, 7yrs/75K miles is the "maximum" you can get from an official mercedes warranty. Anything more than that is 3rd party. For example, I used Fidility in the past as a 3rd party warranty on my E55.
To extend my warranty from 4/50k to 7/75k was $3100. They would not negotiate this at all for me. but $3100 is a steal as far as I am concerned.
Russell
To extend my warranty from 4/50k to 7/75k was $3100. They would not negotiate this at all for me. but $3100 is a steal as far as I am concerned.
Russell
01-31-2012, 03:05 PM
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according to my dealer, 7yrs/75K miles is the "maximum" you can get from an official mercedes warranty. Anything more than that is 3rd party. For example, I used Fidility in the past as a 3rd party warranty on my E55.
To extend my warranty from 4/50k to 7/75k was $3100. They would not negotiate this at all for me. but $3100 is a steal as far as I am concerned.
Russell
To extend my warranty from 4/50k to 7/75k was $3100. They would not negotiate this at all for me. but $3100 is a steal as far as I am concerned.
Russell
Thanks for posting the details.
If anyone finds about an MB Warranty beyond 75K please let us know.
01-31-2012, 03:44 PM
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my reciept labels it as mercedes benz care
theres a brochure that says that u can go 8 yrs in association with associats underwriting limited llc,
theres a brochure that says that u can go 8 yrs in association with associats underwriting limited llc,
01-31-2012, 09:10 PM
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Sorry to hijack the topic back to breaking-in: I wish AMG will just have some kind of machine set up to run the engine for the equivalent of 1000 miles break-in period so the end-users wouldn't have to deal with the hassle of intense debate on proper break-in procedure like we're doing here. It's mind boggling where the 4500rpm and 85mph come from. I would like to think they have derived those numbers from close examination of the engine during the designing process rather than pulled out of their behind or from the thin air.
About the warranty, I believe I have beaten this horse to death in my own head back in December after reading about it extensively on various forums in December. And yes, just with the cars, each dealer can choose to sell the factory warranty at a different price than the listed MSRP price.
I have called around (many phone calls over several weeks, mind you) and finally settled on a price of $3650 an additional two years for a max total of 7years/135K miles MB factory warranty. Note that CPO cars come with an extra year of warranty. As always, 7 years mean from the day the first owner drive the car home. Remember, the 135K miles on a MB is ONLY possible on CPO cars listed under MB registry as a CPO. That means it's not just any used MB's. Moreover, the warranty needs to be purchased within 30 days from the day of purchase. Of course, the amount is fully refundable until the day when it takes effect (at the end of 6 years) and pro-rated afterward.
That's one of the main reason I went with a CPO instead of a new one because I'm sure I'll use close to 135K miles in 7 years. And I don't want to get stuck with a major problem with an AMG engine. At the same time, for better or for worse, I wouldn't have to think about the break-in procedure.
About the warranty, I believe I have beaten this horse to death in my own head back in December after reading about it extensively on various forums in December. And yes, just with the cars, each dealer can choose to sell the factory warranty at a different price than the listed MSRP price.
I have called around (many phone calls over several weeks, mind you) and finally settled on a price of $3650 an additional two years for a max total of 7years/135K miles MB factory warranty. Note that CPO cars come with an extra year of warranty. As always, 7 years mean from the day the first owner drive the car home. Remember, the 135K miles on a MB is ONLY possible on CPO cars listed under MB registry as a CPO. That means it's not just any used MB's. Moreover, the warranty needs to be purchased within 30 days from the day of purchase. Of course, the amount is fully refundable until the day when it takes effect (at the end of 6 years) and pro-rated afterward.
That's one of the main reason I went with a CPO instead of a new one because I'm sure I'll use close to 135K miles in 7 years. And I don't want to get stuck with a major problem with an AMG engine. At the same time, for better or for worse, I wouldn't have to think about the break-in procedure.
01-31-2012, 10:31 PM
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hmm.. Well, I could buy beyond the 7/75k but it was with a 3rd party (similar to your underwriting option I am sure). But they would not offer me a Mercedes 100k, they said they used to have a 10yr/100k but stopped offering it.
01-31-2012, 10:35 PM
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Sorry to hijack the topic back to breaking-in: I wish AMG will just have some kind of machine set up to run the engine for the equivalent of 1000 miles break-in period so the end-users wouldn't have to deal with the hassle of intense debate on proper break-in procedure like we're doing here. It's mind boggling where the 4500rpm and 85mph come from. I would like to think they have derived those numbers from close examination of the engine during the designing process rather than pulled out of their behind or from the thin air.
About the warranty, I believe I have beaten this horse to death in my own head back in December after reading about it extensively on various forums in December. And yes, just with the cars, each dealer can choose to sell the factory warranty at a different price than the listed MSRP price.
I have called around (many phone calls over several weeks, mind you) and finally settled on a price of $3650 an additional two years for a max total of 7years/135K miles MB factory warranty. Note that CPO cars come with an extra year of warranty. As always, 7 years mean from the day the first owner drive the car home. Remember, the 135K miles on a MB is ONLY possible on CPO cars listed under MB registry as a CPO. That means it's not just any used MB's. Moreover, the warranty needs to be purchased within 30 days from the day of purchase. Of course, the amount is fully refundable until the day when it takes effect (at the end of 6 years) and pro-rated afterward.
That's one of the main reason I went with a CPO instead of a new one because I'm sure I'll use close to 135K miles in 7 years. And I don't want to get stuck with a major problem with an AMG engine. At the same time, for better or for worse, I wouldn't have to think about the break-in procedure.
About the warranty, I believe I have beaten this horse to death in my own head back in December after reading about it extensively on various forums in December. And yes, just with the cars, each dealer can choose to sell the factory warranty at a different price than the listed MSRP price.
I have called around (many phone calls over several weeks, mind you) and finally settled on a price of $3650 an additional two years for a max total of 7years/135K miles MB factory warranty. Note that CPO cars come with an extra year of warranty. As always, 7 years mean from the day the first owner drive the car home. Remember, the 135K miles on a MB is ONLY possible on CPO cars listed under MB registry as a CPO. That means it's not just any used MB's. Moreover, the warranty needs to be purchased within 30 days from the day of purchase. Of course, the amount is fully refundable until the day when it takes effect (at the end of 6 years) and pro-rated afterward.
That's one of the main reason I went with a CPO instead of a new one because I'm sure I'll use close to 135K miles in 7 years. And I don't want to get stuck with a major problem with an AMG engine. At the same time, for better or for worse, I wouldn't have to think about the break-in procedure.
