Used 2012 E63
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Used 2012 E63
So a dealer just got 5 used 2012 E63's all with less than 5k miles on them. They are all spec'd with carbon ceramics. Good chance they are test/track cars?
The only carfax data is when they were offered for sale by this dealer on 10/31/2013.
Just seems odd.
The only carfax data is when they were offered for sale by this dealer on 10/31/2013.
Just seems odd.
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14 GL550; 14 E63s
I was told both by the AMG instructors and the Cadillac instructors that the cars we were driving in the academy were not offered for sale. They were either used for research/parts or destroyed. I found that hard to believe, but what do I know.
These were in the northeast. Austin/SA has a pitiful selection of AMG's new or used. I've been looking all over the country at 2012/2013 E63's, 2014 E63S and 2013/2014 M5's. Can't make up my mind. Been looking for over 6 months, but wanted to wait to check out the new 2014 E63S and the 2014 M5 LCI before making a decision. Still have yet to drive the E63S. Hopefully when I'm up in Dallas in a couple of weeks.
But saving 20-30k on a used 2012 is intriguing.
These were in the northeast. Austin/SA has a pitiful selection of AMG's new or used. I've been looking all over the country at 2012/2013 E63's, 2014 E63S and 2013/2014 M5's. Can't make up my mind. Been looking for over 6 months, but wanted to wait to check out the new 2014 E63S and the 2014 M5 LCI before making a decision. Still have yet to drive the E63S. Hopefully when I'm up in Dallas in a couple of weeks.
But saving 20-30k on a used 2012 is intriguing.
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'14 E63S, '13 G550, '06 E320 cdi, and a bunch of other stuff.
Avoid that dealer.
Do. Not. Trust. Anything. They. Say.
Twice I've nearly been burned buying a vehicle from them. Twice I walked away shaking my head at their lack of ethics. They play dirty, even by car dealer standards.
Do. Not. Trust. Anything. They. Say.
Twice I've nearly been burned buying a vehicle from them. Twice I walked away shaking my head at their lack of ethics. They play dirty, even by car dealer standards.
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From: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, TX
E63S wagon w212; GLC63; GLC300; 720S
BMW had E39 M5's and Z8's at schools in Spartandorf. NWIH they could sell them, they were so loose and rebuilt so many times. There were people in my Z8 class that couldn't drive sticks.
Usually they scrap them, a lot of them didn't have VIN's.
Not much in Hill Country. I'm waiting on first wagon allocation, Jan build. Drove 14 CLS63, it's worth 20k for that drivetrain and facelift. Cheap now, but once people drive AWD, 12-13 worth less later.
I don't want a drift car as my driver, I want it to go. Wouldn't have considered a recent AMG for those reasons. Now that it squats down and disappears, and handles/feels better than F10, I'm in. F10 M5 <<< E39 M5.
Which dealer Ace?
Usually they scrap them, a lot of them didn't have VIN's.
Not much in Hill Country. I'm waiting on first wagon allocation, Jan build. Drove 14 CLS63, it's worth 20k for that drivetrain and facelift. Cheap now, but once people drive AWD, 12-13 worth less later.
I don't want a drift car as my driver, I want it to go. Wouldn't have considered a recent AMG for those reasons. Now that it squats down and disappears, and handles/feels better than F10, I'm in. F10 M5 <<< E39 M5.
Which dealer Ace?
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'14 E63S, '13 G550, '06 E320 cdi, and a bunch of other stuff.
Here's a link to the units listed on carsdotcom.
http://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchr...kw=e63&kwm=ANY
http://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchr...kw=e63&kwm=ANY
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14 GL550; 14 E63s
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i think the 14 is worth the money, drove the CLS63 4matic and found the suspension a little more harsh and i think the E looks wayyyyy better, but i have driven the 12's as well anything with the Biturbo engine is amazing!
I have the 2014 as im in pittsburgh and need the traction for the winter, which makes its the ultimate DD! Get one its a very fun car!
I have the 2014 as im in pittsburgh and need the traction for the winter, which makes its the ultimate DD! Get one its a very fun car!
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Also - I've looked around but cannot find a site or means to get all of the options for the 2012 E63? Edmunds and KBB are just incomplete (as always). I've looked up a few of the VINs, and have a "Datacard" report on one of them, but that's not exactly what I need. The window sticker that I've seen is not the original, so it's hard to tell what is legit and what is not.
They're all 79 or 80k. Does anyone have any thoughts on a fair price?
Thank you.
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I test drove one of these cars. It was gorgeous!
White with black interior, fully loaded…I mean FULLY! Carbon brakes, CF everywhere, LSD, P30, 19” forged wheels, assistance package…$126, 700 MSRP.
4,300 miles, factory warranty until 1/17
Saw the carfax…was previously owned by MB Financial and purchased by the dealer on 10/23
The car was flawless!
Without any negotiation I was quoted $79,900. I would imagine it could be had for low to mid 70’s. That’s over $50k in depreciation in 22 months…yikes!
I thought long and hard about this amazing car. It has everything I want (and some I don’t) and is my preferred color.
The wife and I had a long discussion over pillow talk this morning and calmer heads prevailed (mine actually
). In the end I own my car outright, absolutely love it still and it simply is not the right time in our business to take on any more debt.
Someone is going to get very lucky.
I know I will regret my decision when I go to by a 2014 in a year or two, as a deal like this doesn’t come along very often.
For your viewing pleasure:
If anybody wants more info just hit me up!
Brian
White with black interior, fully loaded…I mean FULLY! Carbon brakes, CF everywhere, LSD, P30, 19” forged wheels, assistance package…$126, 700 MSRP.
4,300 miles, factory warranty until 1/17
Saw the carfax…was previously owned by MB Financial and purchased by the dealer on 10/23
The car was flawless!
Without any negotiation I was quoted $79,900. I would imagine it could be had for low to mid 70’s. That’s over $50k in depreciation in 22 months…yikes!
I thought long and hard about this amazing car. It has everything I want (and some I don’t) and is my preferred color.
The wife and I had a long discussion over pillow talk this morning and calmer heads prevailed (mine actually
). In the end I own my car outright, absolutely love it still and it simply is not the right time in our business to take on any more debt.Someone is going to get very lucky.
I know I will regret my decision when I go to by a 2014 in a year or two, as a deal like this doesn’t come along very often.
For your viewing pleasure:
If anybody wants more info just hit me up!
Brian
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Worth the wait - thanks for your comments. I also looked at the same white one - but note it is not perfect - it has plenty of scratches under the front air dam. The carbon fiber trim and the paint are scratched from a curb, or something similar. As well - for some reason, the exhaust tips are incredibly dirty/sooty for a car with such low mileage. Don't get me wrong - all five are nice cars.
Also - I'm not hearing good things about the ceramic brakes. I spoke to a contact in Boston that told me that the jury is still out on these brakes. They do produce plenty of dust - I was told that they do not (barely). The pads do not last much longer, if at all, and while the rotors should last a while, they are of course very expensive to replace. The rotors are also susceptible to cracking, and I know it's understood that they can squeak quite a bit. I'm paraphrasing some of what I heard from a lead foreman/manager, from a New England dealer.
When I looked at other E63s online just for comparison, the difference in price for other ones, even 2011s with higher mileage, is not that great. In other words - for a 120k plus (sticker) AMG, they're suspiciously close in price to other E63s that are older, higher mileage, and not sporting a sticker price as high as the ones on that dealer lot.
I'm going to continue to look around. Good luck to you!
Also - I'm not hearing good things about the ceramic brakes. I spoke to a contact in Boston that told me that the jury is still out on these brakes. They do produce plenty of dust - I was told that they do not (barely). The pads do not last much longer, if at all, and while the rotors should last a while, they are of course very expensive to replace. The rotors are also susceptible to cracking, and I know it's understood that they can squeak quite a bit. I'm paraphrasing some of what I heard from a lead foreman/manager, from a New England dealer.
When I looked at other E63s online just for comparison, the difference in price for other ones, even 2011s with higher mileage, is not that great. In other words - for a 120k plus (sticker) AMG, they're suspiciously close in price to other E63s that are older, higher mileage, and not sporting a sticker price as high as the ones on that dealer lot.
I'm going to continue to look around. Good luck to you!
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YMMV - I've dealt with M-B of Arlington (formerly American Service Center) several times and had no issues at all.
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From: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, TX
E63S wagon w212; GLC63; GLC300; 720S
Also - I'm not hearing good things about the ceramic brakes. I spoke to a contact in Boston that told me that the jury is still out on these brakes. They do produce plenty of dust - I was told that they do not (barely). The pads do not last much longer, if at all, and while the rotors should last a while, they are of course very expensive to replace. The rotors are also susceptible to cracking, and I know it's understood that they can squeak quite a bit. I'm paraphrasing some of what I heard from a lead foreman/manager, from a New England dealer.
Rotors should last a very long time. They crack if you pull them off and drop them, but Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Judd have used them at Le Mans for over a decade, F1 even longer. Abrasive environments like UAE can cause early wear, but used here I've not seen anyone with issues. Early Porsche CCB's had problems, but that was a decade ago. Never needed pads, nor rotors. Keep fluid fresh, and they're great. Overkill for sedans and wagons, stopping distances same at lower speeds. It's the 170-180 to 40-50 repetitive uses that they're made for. Even light tracking doesn't really need CCB, but nice to have.
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Thanks for your thoughts, keyserS. If you're going to characterize someone's experiences and opinions as "complete nonsense," it would be helpful to not just state your experiences and expertise, but to give some sort of an explanation for why his is misguided, naive, or deceitful. The gentleman that I'm referencing has been in the business for 23 years, and he's also an avid racer.
I'm on this thread, and I presume others are as well, to assess whether we should pull the trigger on the aforementioned E63s, or perhaps another new or used rig with "CCBs." If his opinion is "complete nonsense" as you've described it, what might be your explanation for this gross misconception? I'm only trying to reconcile the differences.
I'm on this thread, and I presume others are as well, to assess whether we should pull the trigger on the aforementioned E63s, or perhaps another new or used rig with "CCBs." If his opinion is "complete nonsense" as you've described it, what might be your explanation for this gross misconception? I'm only trying to reconcile the differences.
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From: Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, TX
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If you read response, I supported my comments with real world experiences, including tracking and drawbacks. Someone you know made observations that aren't supported by my experience as user. As stated, I've been using CCB for 8-9 years on cars, Brembo Ferrari CCB's if you insist. I'm very hard on brakes, and I've never had an issue nor has anyone I know that uses CCB's had issues like presented. My current DD is a W12 Audi with 45k street miles, PSS's, and has had 3 sets EBC red stuff pads, and 2 sets rotors, currently drilled, which dropped wear dramatically. CCB were unavailable for this thing, I'd have gladly paid for them. None of my M cars over years ever needed more than pads. The Ferrari CCB's needed nothing despite far harder use. I've cracked steel rotors, heat checked properly bedded pads, and turned rotors blue. I've also raced on drums on vintage Euro cars and have never had incident due to brake failure. 12k for CCB on a sedan is a great set of jewelry, but it isn't necessary for most people even with, as stated, light tracking. No need to be afraid of them though, which seemed to be implication in your post. I never said anything was deceitful. But blanket statements about something I know about and use often that completely contradict experiences of mine and others I know is suspect at best. IMO, nonsense. Believe who you wish. BTW, raced since early '80s. My tire gauge and pyrometer are probably 30-35yo.
Last edited by keyserS; Nov 10, 2013 at 08:42 PM. Reason: added pic of brake dust after a few hundred mile run.
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'14 E63S, '13 G550, '06 E320 cdi, and a bunch of other stuff.
I think it's safe to say that the market for 2012 E63's with questionable histories priced in the high $70's is soft. There would appear to be four of these units still sitting there. Which makes me smile. I hope they eat them into the next model year.
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You should be able to request a VMI(vehicle mass inquiry), this is an internal mercedes data base and usually more informative than any other records. It is not limited to any dealership either, it will contain all servicing.
It should contain all services performed by mercedes and even some others contracted out.
Sorry if you were already aware of this, just thought I'd throw it out there.
It should contain all services performed by mercedes and even some others contracted out.
Sorry if you were already aware of this, just thought I'd throw it out there.
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The market for any year, not just 2012's, with questionable histories should be a concern.
Mid 70's is fair for these cars. And they are academy cars. MB doesn't scrap them...that is a false hood that seemed to start here about a year or two ago.
Mid 70's is fair for these cars. And they are academy cars. MB doesn't scrap them...that is a false hood that seemed to start here about a year or two ago.
