odessit

does anyone know date when the 2015 e63 will be going into production?

kart125

based on what happened with the 2014 I would say june-july...

odessit

any changes to the car?

kart125

Not supposed since it just got refreshed in 2014. maybe some new colors to add to the 50 shades of grey!

odessit

i placed an order but car didnt go into production yet.
was just curious to know if there will be any changes to the 2015 model.

kart125

I also have an order that just got through. A month ago I was thinking about delaying the order for a 2015 but since there is not going to be major changes to the car I stayed with 2014...

impex4

pretty sure the 9 speed tranny will be in the 2015

nstanford99

i dont think MB would make that drastic of a change in the AMG, the 7mct i dont think is going anywhere.

If i had to bet all this talk about the 9 speed, it will be going in the E550. Just my $.02!

rory breaker

Based on?

benyl

Based on nothing. There is a 9 speed eclass diesel running around europe. The CLS is supposed to come with a 9-speed for the refresh due in the 2015 model year.

Transmission changes for AMG usually come from the higher end cars first and then trickle down. I would expect the refreshed SL to come with the 9-speed or the new S Class coupe.

TheOtherDodge

Why don't they just put in the 7 speed DCT tranny? The tranny is the worst part of the car. The CLA already has it...

Imagine how much faster it would be with that tranny!!!

otakki

Most DCT wouldn't be able to handle that amount of torque. Of course, P1 has a DCT despite the massive torque but I'm not sure how McLaren manages the setup.

HPMan

+1. As well, while DCTs are fabulous for spirited driving, they are fussy for daily cruising. Until DCT technology improves, I think the MCT is the perfect compromise for the E63 -- it is quicker / sportier than a traditional slushbox, but not at all fussy for daily driving like DCTs. My $0.02.

Tjdehya

I read somewhere that the FWD DCT cannot fit in any of the RWD cars, something about the way the transmission mounts to the engine.
I dont know the details but it is not as simple as put the SLS/CLA DCT in the RWD cars. It will require more work.
However I am surprised that the new C63 will not have the new DCT seeing as it is basically using two CLA engines glued together.

TheOtherDodge

BMW uses a DCT in thier M-cars. Lambo's, GTR's, Audi, etc, use them as well.

nstanford99

yes but none of the lambos have 590lb ft of torque! neither do the M-cars, i dont mind the tranny in my S model, i think its fabulous for day to day driving. We will however see the DCT im sure in the next generation E63 with the new V8 amg is developing.

dr. ss

Agreed, or 700+ torque to the wheels with just a tune

TheOtherDodge

Ya the Bugatti Veyron doesn't make that much torque...

benyl

You are really comparing a $100K car to one that costs 10 times as much?

I bet you could buy an E63 for the price of the transmission in the latter.

TheOtherDodge

I don't see where I am comparing. It was stated that a DCT transmission can't take high torque. Now maybe the DCT that Mercedes isn't up to snuff, but it has been proven it can be done. And I bet some of the modded M cars and GTR's, etc are making plenty of torque.

benyl

Mass produced ones cannot.

There isn't a stock car under $200K that makes over 550 lbft with a DCT.

The GTR guys have found a way to modify the stock transmission to handle the power.

The RS6 has a ZF slushbox even though the S6 gets the DCT. Manufacturers aren't dumb, they don't want to be replacing transmission.

nstanford99

first off, Veyrons loose money for every unit they sell, which means its cost 2 million or more to produce them. so there is some serious R/D that goes into everything. Second, the DCT that the SLS uses is straight from the ferrari california which does not have nearly as much tq as the E63 does. Im not saying every DCT transmission cannot handle the tq, but there is definitely a limit as to how much it can in my opinion. If and when Benz does do it, we will not see nearly as much tq as we are used to with the MCT, im sure they compensate by throwing a lot more HP in the next gen E63 and having somewhere around 450lb ft of tq to 500 if i had to guess!

Chocofishez

AMGs have always been about gobs of low end torque.. that's what makes them such awesome daily drivers.

They leave the high hp, high rpm world to BMW.

I don't think we'll see a DCT for a while, as others (and many reviewers) have commented DCTs aren't as nice for slow around-town driving, and the current tranny does a pretty great job of plodding along. I think they'll rework the design and software of the MCT.

Plus with all the torque you really don't need to shift that much anyways!

nstanford99

^exactly, i personally love the MCT. it works well and shifts fast enough IMO. If you guys remember the old trannys in the supercharged AMG's years ago, the MCT is 20x better! i enjoy the tq of the AMG's that ive owned and have always found them to be way more fun to drive than M cars and other competition

otakki

Same DCT also used by 458 Italia, which only has around 400 lb-ft of tq.