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We’ve seen Benzes battle the Nissan GT-R on the drag strip before, but there are two things that never get old: drag races, and drag races against the Nissan GT-R. In this week’s AMG Monday Morning Wake-Up Call we’ve got a lively drag race for you: 2014 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG S 4MATIC versus 2010 Nissan […]

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AMG Boost

I dont think that is a "fair" race.... Use a 2012+ GTR and the outcome will be different. Or again use a 2010 E63 and the outcome will be different. I sure hope the 2014 E63 would win, it has an extra 90+hp over the 2010 GTR

Nice race tho.

otakki

Yes, E63S has more power, but we all know how you put that power to the tarmac is the key. That's where the GTR shines with the DCT. '14 stock vs '14 stock and it's for sure that E63S would be eaten alive. But again you are comparing a full-size sedan to a semi-race car and that makes the full-size sedan really impressive despite losing.

usamuscle

Don't forget also an additional 600+ lbs on the E63. Just different cars..GTR has amazing performance , out of this world actually but that's it for me. It's a big ugly Nissan to me. Have you seen the interior? Just my opinion , not meant to offend anyone.

TMC M5

The biggest difference in the race is the fact that the GT-R did not use launch control. Yes, both cars didn't use launch control, but the 3.8L engine of the GT-R necessitates that you raise the revs to get the turbos spooling up. The engine management software cuts power if you try to brake torque the start (I had a GT-R and if you weren't using LC, you had to go off idle). I don't believe that is the case for the E63 S, which already has the big 5.5L V8 to help with low end torque even when not in the boost.

Check out the time it took the E63 S to go from 60' to the 1/4 mile mark (9.889s = 11.759 - 1.87) vs the GT-R (9.885s = 11.875 - 1.99). That shows you that GT-R lost the race in the 1st 60' when the turbos needed time to spool up. It would have been interesting to see both use launch control, which I believe would have benefited the GT-R disproportionately. Either way, the E63 S is a pretty bad-@ss ride and deserves props for humbling a car as accomplished on the drag strip as the GT-R.

dr. ss

Even with launch that gtr prolly wouldn't fair much better, I'd it's completely stock and a 2010 , it has LC2 launch control which is a neutered water down LC Nissan put in after the 2009 LC1 trannh issues

TMC M5

True, LC2 is a "neutered" version of LC, but it still raised the RPM to 3K (as opposed to the LC1's 4.5K RPM) which is far better than off idle. Non-tuned GT-Rs have no "sack" below 3K RPM.

vtknight

Actually that's not correct. LC2 is 2200 RPMs - LC3 for 2011 was 3000 RPMs.

The GTRs stock IHI turbos are tiny. That is what leads to it's almost NA like quality. Although I agree the LC is essential for the best times LC2 is not that helpful and spool is not a major issue.

To answer some of the other questions; the E63 S - if the launch control screws up (it's not that hard to do with time on your hands - but stomping on the brake, clicking the wheel to RS, clicking the paddle, moving your foot while keeping the same pressure on the brake with your left foot and then hitting the gas with your right before the tree lights fall can be tricky as opposed to the GTR which is brake and stomp on gas.).
When you mess up (usually when transferring left foot to brake as I found it sensitive - or if you forgot to either select race start or press the paddle) the car with the brake mashed would not allow you to up revs properly and cause the worlds crappiest launch.

As I own both cars - a 2010 GTR and a 2014 E63 S - I can tell you that stock for stock - the E63S will win 9/10 times (if you get the luang right on the E). A stock 2010 will hit a high 11 at about 120 MPH. The E63 S will hit 11.8's at 122 MPH with a 1.9 60 foot and stock tires still at 46 psi.
With traction is will go as deep as a 11.5-11.6 as per Road and Track and Motortrend respectively. 2012-2015 GTRs will demolish the E of course as they run low 11's and even high 10's stock.

I love both cars - but the E is a much better call all round. The GTR is a totally different car that is superior in its own ways. I have chosen to modify mine as a drag, 1/2 and full mile car (and I love it). For everyday - the E63 S is the best car I have ever owned - power, comfort and luxury.

iconcls

Yes, I also own both, and my '13 GT-R will demolish my '14 E63S each and every time, all good fun though.

kart125

I'll still take a 2014 E63 wagon over a GTR. Both good cars but I'm real happy with the fact that I can carry 5 people + luggage +roof rack with bikes and Thulé Box and still have a go at almost evey car on the street. It's a fun comparo but they are not in the same league (2014 vs 2014).

vtknight

No question. As per the other poster who owns the 13 GTR - it isn't even close (as the 13 and 14 have the same HP).

I guess my points are two (and they are similar); one is the GTR is still a force to contend with although 7 years old (debut at the 2007 Tokyo Auto Show). My second point is that the R35 GTR is old and is due for a refresh which is why it's "all roundness" falls quite short. The newer cars offered by the competition - be it from Porsche which always had better materials and ride quality (as it should have for twice the price) - to the Vipers and C7 Vette's which have now upped their games - the older R35 GTR has fallen behind the times (which again makes sense as it's 7 years old). Although I don't have as much hope with the R36 as Mizuno is no longer behind it and the new guy apparently wants to water the R36 down as less aggressive and performance oriented - it will be a hybrid with high HP and definitely with a better interior and ride quality. So that should be interesting.

Until then - I have embraced my GTR for what it is - a performance car that is a highly modifiable platform.

I enjoy each for what they offer and as a car enthusiast I enjoy each generation of improvements and hope they never stop!

kart125

One of the best track experience I can remember was back in 2008 when I rode shotgun in a red GTR arround Shannonville MSP. I was blown away by the shear power of this japan supercar. Braking was almost as impressive as the acceleration. Then again like you said that was 6-7 years ago and cars are becoming a lot more performance oriented... until when? How long can we still buy big V8 cars? even with turbos and Eco mode they are in the verge of extinction. Hybrid technologies are going to be the norm in a near future, like in F1 right now.


Let's see what we will be discussing on this forum in 6-7 years... a 2014 E63 vs a 2020 E35 4 cylinder turbo/hybrid with 750 hp nd 900 pds/ft of torque?

vtknight

As we have seen with the "big 3" (918, P1 and LaFerrari) - hybrid can mean powerful and fun.

This will upset some "purists" - but I don't care how the power is generated as long as it is fast lol.

This is the future and although I will miss my V8 burble especially under hard acceleration - I will deal with it.

kart125

Cant agree more. We are going to witness more power and efficiency in the next decade that will make us forget the era of the "muscle car". I went to the canadian grand prix last WE and even if the sound is less impressive than before, the new Turbo 6 is faster in top speed by 25 km/h compared to last year. Top speed was close to 350 compared to arround 325... so engineers are going to manage new ways to make us go fast. They don't even call them engine anymore - they call them Power Units...


After I got my C63 in 2011, I said "what's next after 481 HP"... then MB came up with the 577 HP E63!

Chocofishez

I remember thinking the same thing.

However I do miss than big NA V8 motor. The E63 is more accomplished and is certainly the DD to have, but that C63 was a fun car. Glad I got to enjoy one while I could!

vtknight

Although the E63 S is a smaller 5.5L TT V8 version - it does sound very good - so I am still enjoying mine as long as I can as well. It will be 4L V8's after this likely...

kart125

That 6.2 NA engine was a great piece if machinery and I'm also glad to have gotten one!

otakki

All is well with hp/tq figures but there is only so much you can do for the sound as the displacement and cylinders go down. Then you end up with what the current F1 V6 sound situation. And what's next?--4 cylinders?! Who knows, the F1 might resort to BMW's broadcasting the sound via loudspeakers at the circuits. AMG better not go that route.

marketns

it's nice

kart125

The sound of new F1 is actually not that bad in person. Takes some getting used to after the high pitched NA V8's for sure. They sound more like an AMG actually now compared to a race bike before. More guttural. We will get used to it.

TMC M5

I had an '09 GT-R with the LC2 update. It was a 3k RPM launch. The LC3 had a 3,300 RPM launch.

http://www.gtrlife.com/forums/topic/...cial-gt-r-faq/

See 4b.

Vic55

I had a 2009 as well (Feb 2009) and had the LC2 update as well, 3k rpms.

cyberorth

This is the combo I want

skokkosis

http://instagram.com/p/qDyyipFc4Y/?modal=true

Well, here's one! This is my car (14' E63S with the RENNtech tune and BMC filters) going up against my buddies Alpha 7 15' GTR, every single pull (did not manage to do a dig run) 10, 20, 30, 40,50, and 60 rolls were exactly the same (for the most part) cars start off dead even, once gaining some momentum the GTR takes the lead by 1-2 car lengths, then the E63 catches up and takes the lead, in the 120 range and on by about a car or two.. Impressive considering that this GTR is a full bolt on car, and the E63 is just a tune, putting in the downpipes within the next few weeks, will definitely have an updated video by then, I believe that may be the ticket to get a clean winning pull on the GTR!

richardaz

For those who haven't seen the Motor Trend "Greatest Drag Race 3" which includes a GTR and an E63S wagon.